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Anybody with access to original copies of 1851 census for Cold Ashton, request lookup for Isaac and Margaret Milliner (possibly transcribed as Millinder) and family.
I wish to resolve a number of anomalies in information that I possess, particularly the spelling of the name and ages of Isaac, Margaret and daughter Rose.
Thanks, Dave
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you’ve posted on a lookup board so I can’t post a screen shot.
But it really does look like Millinder.
Only Isaac’s surname is recorded. The rest are all ditto.
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Transcription is correct it does say Millinder
Isaac 50
Margret 50
Robert 34
Rose 22
William 29
Ruben 15
Emma 3
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Thank you both for your prompt response, the plot thickens
Dave
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Are Robert and Rose married?
1846 marriage Chipping Sodbury
Robert Milliner and Rosina Moore
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1851 shows both Robert and William as married but Rose as daughter.
Child Emma, 3 yrs shown as daughter. GRO shows mmn Caney.
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1841 Census, Cold Aston
MILLINER
Isaac - 45 - Ag. Lab- born in County
Margaret - 40 - born in County
Robert - 25 - born in Count
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? (not sure if this is connected to the family)
Robert MILLINER
England & Wales, Criminal Register
Name: Robert MILLINER
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: 1843
Trial Year: 1843
Location of Trial: Gloucestershire, England
Sentence: Imprisonment
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Robert MILLINER - was christened 4 February 1816 - at Almondsbury St Mary : parents: Jacob & Mary
Larceny
There is a decription of Robert -
Parish: Almondsbury
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Non-conformist register has a Issac MILLINER and wife Sarah having children baptised at Rodborough Tabernacle - but also a later Son - Surname: MILLAR
MILLINER - (mother's maiden name: KEENE)
ISSAC (occupation: Baliff) (residence: MINCHINHAMPTON)
Sarah Jane - born 22 February 1833 - baptised: 11 August 1833
Ella - born 20 November 1836 - baptised: 5 February 1837
Esther Mary - born 10 September 1834 - baptised: 13 September 1835
MILLAR
David Buck MILLAR
father: Issac - residence: Stonehouse - mother: Sarah
baptised 12 August 1837
+ earlier children named MILLAR - christened at Stonehouse
(There is a Public Members Tree on Ancestry for this couple)
MILLER on 1841 census
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Re: Surname: CANEY
??? There are a number of CANDY non-conformist baptisms (Wotton-under-Edge), Kingsholm, St. Nicholas, Glos.
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thank you for all the information, gives me something to think on. Very interesting to read about Robert Milliner but I think they are a different family
Dave
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1851 shows both Robert and William as married but Rose as daughter.
Child Emma, 3 yrs shown as daughter. GRO shows mmn Caney.
You probably have all this but just in case William Milliner married Elizabeth Keynee in 1845
In 1855 widowed William Millinder married Mary Bence.
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Just going through the Cold Aston baptisms on Ancestry for Cold Aston
25 December 1816
Ann the daughter of James (which has been crossed out)and looks like Isaac Jnr and his Wife Ann MILLINDER of Cold Aston, Labourer.
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The marriage of William MILLINER 1 February 1843 at Cold Aston - to Elizabeth KEYNEE - father, Robert KEYNEE, labourer.
Witnesses: Abraham PRITCHARD - his mark and Emma KEYNEE - her mark.
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On the 18 March 1827 a few pages on is the baptism of
Harriet, daughter of Robert & Hannah KEYNEE of Cold Aston, Labourer.
Emma, daughter of Robert & Emma (crossed out) Hannah, surname has: CANEY and KEYNEE
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Thanks again. I have Williams later marriages to Eliabeth Keyner and later Mary Bence. My family is descended from the latter marriage.
Dave
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Found the marriage
Cold Aston
The Banns of Marriage between
Isaac MILLINER (Ancestry: MININER) - Batchelor
and
Marget WITT....s? - Spinster
both of this parish were duly published in the Church of Cold Aston on the three following Sunday.
This Marriage was solemnized between the parties the 20th of April 1812
By John BATCHELOR - Clerk
Isaac MILLINER - Mark
Margate WITT - Mark
Matthew STRANGE Mark
Robert Lewis - Mark
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ANCESTRY
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Marriage at Little Sodbury, Gloucestershire
13 January 1794
Isaac MILLENER and Alice PRATER
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Really great, thanks Capetown. Problems start prior to 1800 as earlier records in Cold Ashton were destroyed. The Little Sodbury marriage looks promising
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There is a burial at Old Sodbury of
Alice MILLENER - 29 January 1811
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Is this is Isaac's 2nd marriage ) just a few months later) at Hawkesbury
Isaac MILLINER & Sarah BOND - of this parish by banns April 1st.
Too many Issac's
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Isaac was buried in Cold Ashton 13 Feb 1853 age 66, therefore born about 1787. However 1841 census gives age as 45 intimating birth between 1796 and 1801 (depending on how you interpret the rules so could be 1791 to 1796) and 1851 census gives age as 50, so take your pick. He did however marry Margaret Witt on 20 Apr 1812. Bit of a poser or perhaps I can't see the wood for the trees.
Dave
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in earlier message'
'Problems start prior to 1800 as earlier records in Cold Aston were destroyed'
Ancestry: Gloucestershire, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials
1538-1813
Aston Blank alias Cold Aston : 1727-1812
Pages in total 39 - Weddings stop at 1747
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Gloucestershire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriage and Burials, 1538-1813
Aston Blank alias Cold Aston 1754-1812
6 pages (just a few pages of children having lessons taught by Mr Carter's Charity) 10 children in 1795 and 10 in 1796
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http://www.coaley.net
Under the heading: Local History
is Populations Tables, from 1801 onwards
Cold Aston in 1801 - had 224 inhabitants
If the average family was say 2 adults and 4 children (say 6 per household) this would be approx 37 households, but families were probably much larger than 6!
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Just having a look at Isaac MILLINER's marriage to Margate WITT in 1812
firstly:
Matthew STRANGE
He is on the 1841 Census Cold Aston
Matthew STRANGE - 55 - Farmer - born in County (not according to Tree on Ancestry)
Diane STRANGE - 20
George - 15
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Matthew STRANGE buried 12th June 1841 aged 57 at Cold Aston
this tre, says, Matthew married 28 March 1784, Little, Somereford, near Chippenham
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Ancestry has, Gloucestershire, Land Tax Records
1713-1833
Little Badminton has
Isaac MELLINER - 1813 - (Owner Henry STINCHOMB)
Isacc MILLINER - 1814/1815/1817
e.g.
1815
Proprietor: Henry STINCHOMB
Occupiers: Isaac MILLINER & Others - Tenements & Garden : Sum Afsefsed 1shilling
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There is a Henry MILLINER from 1784 onwards at Great Badminton.
Robert LEWIS
in Cold Aston 1790 onwards (both as Occupier and Owner) - No Milliner's in Cold Aston at that time.
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Just looking at the Gloucestershire Genelogical Database
They have
1823
Isaac MILLINER -
Address: Old Sodbury
Deceased
Overseers
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Morning
Perhaps try to find someone with access to Ralph Bigland's document. Cold Ashton is definitely documented. I'll include a link thread I once created.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=747093.msg5943973#msg5943973
bitzar.
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Thank you for all your help
Dave
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I thought it may interest you that Isaac and Margarets son William is living in 1851 with his children(Reuben and Emma), next door to William's passed Wife's(Elizabeth Keynee/Cainey) family as well as the families - Strange and Lewis.
Mathew Strange and Robert Lewis are not listed in this census but I don't think it too hard to assume that they are somehow related to the families in the 1851 census. :) And would seem that they are very close family friends.
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I have also just discovered Mathew Strage and Robert Lewis in an 1841 census with Elizabeth's family.
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Thank you ACharlotte, Robert married Hannah Cordy 1819 in cold Ashton. I have at present been unable to trace their origins in Clack and Pucklechurch respectively.
Dave