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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: paulmh on Tuesday 31 March 20 19:46 BST (UK)
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I am searching for a birth of a William Robertson. I had put this request upon the Angus part of the site but now appears as though I had made an error and he was probably born in Glasgow, 1865.
The initial thread can be found at; https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=827922.msg6920350#msg6920350
After turning to FamilySearch it appeared that it was the incorrect William I was looking at, and in fact, the William I was searching for had died in Ontario on 21st October 1911, aged 46; https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J6FY-ZF8
Records show that he was single but had a brother, Daniel Robertson, living at 211 Globe Street, Dundee.
I am searching for registration of birth for William as well as any other information that can be supplied (i.e. 1871, 1881, and 1881 census, although the latter he is likely to be in Sheffield).
Thanks in advance.
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What record shows the information about his brother Daniel?
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What record shows the information about his brother Daniel?
The death record on the FamilySearch link
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The 1911 death states that his brother is called David Robertson of 211 Glebe St, Dundee
Possibly 2/11 Glebe Street
Valuation Roll of 1905 shows a David Robertson at 3 up 11 Glebe Street, Dundee.
This man is found on 1901 census at this address.
He was a shipwright, born in Glasgow circa 1867
May be worth checking to see if this is the correct man.
EDIT:
Based on the names of his children, David may well be the son of Alexander Robertson and Mary Low. He was born in Glasgow Feb 1867
The same couple did have a child named William who was born in Glasgow in Feb 1866
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Paul, can I ask a question? Why Glasgow? The few personal details that there seems to be in records for William Robertson include that he was a Dundee boy I thought?
Monica
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Okay, see where you are with this now...could well be the right William ::) Also, note the reference to Haileyburg for William's usual residence when he died in 1911.
As Anne has mentioned, looks like parents were Alexander Robertson and Mary Low. Only 3 sons showing for them:
Alexander b. 1864 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQRC-S4C
William b. 1865 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQR8-42X
David b. 1867 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F79D-LM6
All births in Glasgow. I think Alexander Snr was deceased by 1871. Likely census for family:
Mary Robertson 31 b Kincardineshire, Fourdon
Alexander Robertson 7 b. Glasgow
William Robertson 5 b. Glasgow
David Robertson 4 b. Glasgow
Address: Inverury St, Fourdoun Kincardineshire
1881 and the family living in Dundee:
Mary Robertson 41 laundress b Kincardineshire, Fourdon
Alex Robertson 17 App Engine Fitter b. Glasgow
William Robertson 15 Labourer Shipyard b. Glasgow
David Robertson 10 b. Glasgow
So we have the reference to Dundee there :)
Mother Mary Low Robertson died 21 Feb 1911 in Dundee, just some months before son William. Son Alexander Robertson, marine engineer residing at 78 Watson Street was executor. There are two documents for Mary on Scotlands People, one of them marked up as her will. Her will was dated 1905 so wonder if it made reference to son Willilam as he did not die till October 1911.
Monica
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Possible census entry for brother David in 1901:
David Robertson 34 shipwright b. Glasgow
Williamina Robertson 31 b. Aberdeen
Williamina Robertson 9 b. Dundee
Mary Robertson 3 b. Dundee
Alexander Robertson 1 b. Dundee
Address: 11 Glebe St, Dundee
Mother Mary Robertson, 61, is living at 156 Ferry Rd, Dundee with two lodgers.
William remains a problem for these later censuses!
Monica
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Hard to know without more info :-\ I will included as it could fit. From 1901:
William Robertson, 35, born Glasgow. Occupation showing as joiner (William's 1911 DC gave his occupation as that of carpenter, so could fit). Can tell from my transcript if he shows as single.
This William was a patient at the Glasgow District Lunatic Asylum at Lenzie (Dunbartonshire). This hospital was also known as Woodilee Hospital. See https://archiveshub.jisc.ac.uk/search/archives/848cbb3e-2014-354f-ac26-dce2b66a4cdd
At this stage though, who knows?
Monica
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Paul, can I ask a question? Why Glasgow? The few personal details that there seems to be in records for William Robertson include that he was a Dundee boy I thought?
Monica
On that record of death, it states that his age was 46, and place of birth was Glasgow, Scotland.Sorry, but I can't seem to upload attachments
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Possible census entry for brother David in 1901:
David Robertson 34 shipwright b. Glasgow
Williamina Robertson 31 b. Aberdeen
Williamina Robertson 9 b. Dundee
Mary Robertson 3 b. Dundee
Alexander Robertson 1 b. Dundee
Address: 11 Glebe St, Dundee
Mother Mary Robertson, 61, is living at 156 Ferry Rd, Dundee with two lodgers.
William remains a problem for these later censuses!
Monica
What we do know is that William went to Canada.
Assuming that he is the same one which also played football for Sheffield United (between 1889-1891), then in 1891 he may be in Sheffield - though there was a census found where he was named Roberts and married to Clara. If his death entry is correct then he never married. In 1901 he may possibly be in Canada - details as to when he moved there aren't quite certain. Ideally I'd like to find a passenger list but first want to clarify start and end dates so to speak first!
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Don't worry. Your link to the FS death entry in Ontario is all you need to do :)
If you note from my posts above, I am with you now. Very likely this could be the right William.
Monica
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Like you, don't think the William Roberts and wife Clara in Sheffield 1891 are likely to connect to him. However, this was the only 'possible' so far wasn't it. We just haven't found anything so far for him in 1891, England or Scotland. He was in his 2nd season (?) that year with Sheffield United wasn't he? He should be England, but couldn't see him anywhere yesterday :-\
Monica
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Like you, don't think the William Roberts and wife Clara in Sheffield 1891 are likely to connect to him. However, this was the only 'possible' so far wasn't it. We just haven't found anything so far for him in 1891, England or Scotland. He was in his 2nd season (?) that year with Sheffield United wasn't he? He should be England, but couldn't see him anywhere yesterday :-\
Monica
Looking at my records, the last known first team game that he played in for Sheffield United was on 13th April 1891 The census by then had already took place on 5th April. There was a game on the 4th April but Robertson didn't play. Previously he had played on the 1st of April. It had been common for people to return 'home' for the census - did he return home to either Dundee or Glasgow for this. As you said, other than Roberts there is very little trace of him in Sheffield, although that would seem to be the most likely location for him.
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I have also received an email from person I was contacted on Ancestry (regarding the other William which turned out to be the incorrect person). She has sent me links to information from FamilySearch.
William Robertson death record (Note the mention of Haileybury and brother David): https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9TF-Q93H-2?i=837&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AJ6FY-ZF8
I'm not sure if the following records are connected with the above William, but they look promising:
William Robertson birth record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQR8-42X
David Robertson birth record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F79D-LM6
William Robertson marriage record: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9Q97-Y399-MQMX?i=234&cc=1784216&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKZBW-1MJ
1901 Census:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHLL-CYX
1911 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:276T-HBR
Mary Emma Robertson Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-DZS3-J2?i=465&cc=1784212&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AFM6Z-MS3
Myrtle Evelyn Robertson Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-D8CL-4?i=792&cc=1784212&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AFM6L-ZQJ
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You have further connected the dots back to Scotland with the 1899 marriage entry you found for William ;) Wonder why he showed as single on his death reg?
Monica
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William's 1901 Canadian census entry gave 1895 as the year he arrived in Canada. I think I have found his entry on the shipping manifest of the 'St Louis' which arrived in New York from Southampton on 24 Jun 1895.
William gave his age as 29 and 10 months (not often you see months!). Fits very well with his birth date of 2 Aug 1865.
His occupation of joiner also fits with what he have. He stated that he was in transit to Toronto (I think it reads Toronto). The only thing that did not fit was that he shows as English rather than Scottish on the manifest.
Monica
PS: Have you come across this family tree here https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/168006799/person/252182096847/facts
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You have further connected the dots back to Scotland with the 1899 marriage entry you found for William ;) Wonder why he showed as single on his death reg?
Monica
I wonder if for some reason they separated and they didn't take to the idea. In the 1911 census, she is listed as a widow, but William died a few months after.
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William's 1901 Canadian census entry gave 1895 as the year he arrived in Canada. I think I have found his entry on the shipping manifest of the 'St Louis' which arrived in New York from Southampton on 24 Jun 1895.
William gave his age as 29 and 10 months (not often you see months!). Fits very well with his birth date of 2 Aug 1865.
His occupation of joiner also fits with what he have. He stated that he was in transit to Toronto (I think it reads Toronto). The only thing that did not fit was that he shows as English rather than Scottish on the manifest.
Monica
PS: Have you come across this family tree here https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/168006799/person/252182096847/facts
A shipping list would be fantastic, and I hope that this is indeed him. It's a bit odd that he sailed from Southampton or, was this the only route to USA/Canada. I would have thought you'd at least been able to sail from Scotland.
I have seen the FamilySearch tree but at the time didn't read too much into it. If I could find a connection with football then I think we've nailed it.
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It's a bit odd that he sailed from Southampton or, was this the only route to USA/Canada. I would have thought you'd at least been able to sail from Scotland.
The most often used route from Scotland was from Greenock or Glasgow, but now you mention it I don't recall seeing many (?any) online 20th century passenger lists from there. More from Liverpool or Southampton.
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Thank you, everyone.
I think that this concludes research in Scotland unless anybody can think of anywhere else to look?
I think my next step will be to research Canadian newspapers and try and hunt down that evidence of him being a 'soccer' coach, and will return back to the Canadian board on here for further information.
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It had been common for people to return 'home' for the census
This is new information to me. Where did you come across it?