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Title: Rich family
Post by: philrmoon on Monday 06 April 20 12:06 BST (UK)
Hi

I wonder if anyone can possibly help please

Trying to find the parents of William rich,'a parents he was born 1827 in clovelly devon

Best regards Phil
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 06 April 20 12:10 BST (UK)
Do you have his marriage cert?  What was his fathers name?
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: philrmoon on Monday 06 April 20 12:12 BST (UK)
Hi

Sorry don't unfortunately

Can't afford any certificates only on a pension

Thanks phil
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 06 April 20 12:13 BST (UK)
Have you found him on the 1841 census?
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: philrmoon on Monday 06 April 20 12:20 BST (UK)
Hi

I found a William in 1841 but living with different family

In 1851 living in liverpool aged 24 but he returned to Devon

His daughter jessie was born 1856vin Devon

Regards Phil
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 06 April 20 12:22 BST (UK)
Quote from: philrmoon on Monday 06 April 20 12:20 BST (UK)

I found a William in 1841 but living with different family


What was his occupation and where was he living?
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: philrmoon on Monday 06 April 20 12:30 BST (UK)
Hi 

In 1841 living in a place called Clifton

Mill worker ??

In 1851 in liverpool

Was a mariner

Regards Phil
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 06 April 20 12:33 BST (UK)
It helps us if you give the census reference
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: philrmoon on Monday 06 April 20 12:35 BST (UK)
Hi

I will have to get my research papers out and go through them

I will reply later

Thanks Phil
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 06 April 20 12:36 BST (UK)
Rosie I just found him on 1851 census
Piece:   2180 Folio:   505 Page Number:   31
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: philrmoon on Monday 06 April 20 12:40 BST (UK)
Hi

Thanks

Phil
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 06 April 20 12:41 BST (UK)
Have you ruled out this 1841 census entry?

1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Risdon, Bratton Clovelly, Okehampton, Devon, England
William   Wooldrige   1781   Devon
Susanna   Wooldrige   1786   Devon
Sarah   Wooldrige   1821   Devon
William   Wooldrige   1821   Devon
Thomas   Wooldrige   1826   Devon
Ann   Soper           1776   Devon
Robert   Wooldrige   1786   Devon
Thomas   Ellis           1821   Devon,
William   RICH           1827   Devon M.S.
HO107 Piece 231 Folio 4 Page    3

Possibly baptism for the above William RICH

William Guist Rich
Baptism 25th March 1827 Bratton Clovelly
Denomination   Anglican
Mother Maria
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 06 April 20 12:46 BST (UK)
Thank you Ladyhawk

Marriage to Jane Burley, William was a private in the Royal Marines - father William a Labourer
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 06 April 20 12:48 BST (UK)
Quote from: philrmoon on Monday 06 April 20 12:20 BST (UK)

His daughter jessie was born 1856 in Devon

I can see this Jessie Rich bn c 1865 with a father named William he's born Clovelly occ Labourer

Piece:   2121 Folio:   58 Page Number:   17

William Rich   44 Clovelly Devon
Jane Rich   34
Mary Jane Rich   13
Emily Ann Rich   11
Eliza Rich   7
Jessie Rich   5 Plymouth Devon
Jenny Rich   4
Wm Henry Rich   2
Bessie Rich   1/12

Added - Jessie RICH  mmn   BURLEY  1865  J Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 282

and 1861 census

Piece:   1447 Folio:   48 Page Number:   12

William Rich   34 Clovelly Devon, occ Labourer
Jane Rich           24 Tavistock
Mary J Rich   4   Tavistock
Emily A Rich   2 Hull Yorkshire

Edit to add

Mary Jane RICH  mmn BURLEY 
1857  S Quarter in TAVISTOCK  Volume 05B  Page 327
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: rosie99 on Monday 06 April 20 12:51 BST (UK)
Not relevant to your post but there is a programme about the history of Clovelly on iplayer which you may find interesting
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000c799/sign/villages-by-the-sea-clovelly
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: Ladyhawk on Monday 06 April 20 14:13 BST (UK)
Quote from: rosie99 on Monday 06 April 20 12:46 BST (UK)

Marriage to Jane Burley, William was a private in the Royal Marines - father William a Labourer

Just to add further info. from the above marriage detail Rosie posted

1st Oct 1856 The Parish Church Tavistock
William RICH full age, Jane BURLEY  minor & witness Eliza BURLEY all made their mark (x)
2nd witness William MONK signed his name
Jane's father John, occ Labourer

And this appears to be Jane on 1841 census with her parents & siblings

Horse Bridge, Sydenham Damerel, Tavistock, Devon,
John   BURLEY   1801 Ag Lab.
Elizabeth   1801
Mary      1833
Ann      1834
Hanna   1835
JANE   1837
Eliza      1839
Harriet   1841
1841c HO107 Piece 233 Folio    8 Page    11

Jane RICH 43 is widowed by 1881 with her are children
Eliza 17, Jessie 15, Jennie 13, Annie 7, Charles 5 & Clara 1
1881c RG11 Piece    2199 Folio   103 Page   38

Charles William RICH mmn BURLEY
1875  D Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 271   

Clara RICH mmn BURLEY
1879  S Quarter in PLYMOUTH  Volume 05B  Page 273   
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: philrmoon on Monday 06 April 20 20:35 BST (UK)
So William rich's father was william rich shown on his marriage certificate  and on his Baptism record shows his mother as maria

Is their a marriage record for a William rich and maria  ??
Possibly in devon prior to 1827

Please

Regards Phil
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 07 April 20 10:08 BST (UK)
Quote from: philrmoon on Monday 06 April 20 20:35 BST (UK)

So William rich's father was william rich shown on his marriage certificate 

and on his Baptism record shows his mother as maria


Only shows a mother's name on the baptism record so possibly a different William
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: philrmoon on Tuesday 07 April 20 11:21 BST (UK)
Hi

Thanks

So possibly a different William  ( not William guist ?? )

Regards Phil
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 07 April 20 13:34 BST (UK)
If he was illegitimate it is possible that William invented a father when he got married
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: philrmoon on Tuesday 07 April 20 15:13 BST (UK)
Hi

Ok

Then can anyone please help me to find his mothers parents

Maria ( rich )

Regards Phil
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: rosie99 on Tuesday 07 April 20 15:23 BST (UK)
Where have you looked to save us duplicating your research

Clovelly records are on familysearch
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: philrmoon on Tuesday 07 April 20 15:39 BST (UK)
Hi

The Baptism of william gives mother maria rich in 1827 bratton clovelly Devon

If that's the correct one ??

On William 's marriage record to jane burley

Gives the father has William no mother stated

But gives William guist rich occupation as marine

And hi father a labourer

Regards Phil
Title: Re: Rich family
Post by: Ladyhawk on Tuesday 07 April 20 15:57 BST (UK)
A possibility for Maria Rich

James Rich
Baptism year   1834
Denomination   Anglican
Baptism place   Bratton Clovelly
Mother Maria

Maria RICH
Baptism 30 Jun 1805
Denomination   Anglican
Baptism place   Bratton Clovelly
Father   James Mother   Joan

1841 census  Rule's Cottage, Bridestowe, Okehampton
John   BICKLE   1821   
Maria      1811   
John              1841   
James RICH    1836   
HO107 Piece 231 Folio    3 Page    1

John BICKLE mmn RICH 
1840  D Quarter in OKEHAMPTON  Volume 10  Page 169

Maria RICH f/a father James labourer
married on 08 Dec 1839 Bridestow
Spouse   John BICKLE f/a labourer noted as Illegitimate
both made their mark (x) - can't make out names of witnesses - edit George ? & Andrew ?