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Greetings all
I'm a NZ'er living in Australia and have a connection to Hollybrook/Randalstown through a GGgrandfather, Adam James Dickey, who emigrated to NZ (via Australia) in 1853.
I've been researching the Hollybrook Dickeys, beginning with Adam Snr (d. 1806) and his children; James, Hugh, Adam Jnr and Mary. In newspaper finds from back in the day (attached) I see a Charles (or Chas) Dickey often mentioned in association with the above-mentioned James Dickey, seemingly as a business partner. Is he related to the Hollybrook Dickeys? The closest person I can find who might be the Charles mentioned in the newspaper articles, is Charles Dickey of Millmount (CoM) (1761 - 1827).
The Charles in the newspapers ...
* was a business partner to Adam Snr's son James.
* He and James were both executors for Adam Snr.
* was a member of the Linen Merchants of Antrim, along with Adams Snr & Jnr, and James Dickey.
Indications that the Charles in the newspapers is Charles of Millmount (CoM)...
* Dwelling, offices and garden at Millmount were put up for sale when James & Charles became bankrupt. CoM also born and lived in Millmount.
* CoM gave the middle name of 'Montgomery' to his first daughter Anne - the same as Adam Snr's wife's surname .
*James and CoM both subscribed to the same book keeping journal (as befits business partners?)
Is Charles of the newspapers and Charles of Millmount the same person?
Is CoM related by blood to the Hollybrook Dickeys?
Thank you for any leads and theories :-)
Edited: OOPS forgot to attach newspaper images.
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You will not be permitted to attach the newspaper images as they would be subject to copyright.
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OK - understood :-)
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Hi JonMay
you have gleaned a lot of material so hoping I can add something slowly by trying to cast a different approach via local history first
The setting
Millmount is in the centre of Randalstown on the eastern bank side of the river Maine. Hollybrook is about a mile up the river meandering northwards. Six miles up the river, it passes through Galgorm which is roughly half way between Ahoghill and Ballymena . I mention the latter places comes into the story.
Hollybrook is in Drummaul parish check I am muddled
Ballybollen is a small townland NNW of Randalstown and the westside of Magheralane its spread between Drummaul parish and Ahoghill parish check
Magheralane is in Drummaul parish sits on the north side of Ballygrooby
Ballygrooby townland is the east side of Randalstown itself and contains Millmount
Millmount site needs investigating see changes between was on the bank side of magheralaneroad randalstown!st and nd editions a direct road from house to cotton factory opens up some servants qters or stables vanish as railway appears
for maps see also eg https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/drummaul/
maps available online
OSNI Historical 2nd ed 1864-1862 [see also the 1st ed 1832-184 see https://apps.spatialni.gov.uk/PRONIApplication/
or see the 1st edition 1st revision ~1860 in the maps used in griffiths valuation data
for townlands https://www.townlands.ie/antrim/toome-upper/drummaul/
1796 Flax growers of Ireland this is a negative result I think.
https://www.failteromhat.com/flax/antrim.php
Dickey Robert John Racavan Antrim above Ballymena to the east
Dickey Thomas Loughguile Antrim [north antrim
1800 curious fox website has DICKEY, LOCKETT, BARNETT, BAILLIE
I am researching these families in the Randalstown area circa 1800. Any information would be appreciated. I believe the Dickeys may have owned/operated a cotton mill. Hollybrook House in Randalstown I believe is where they lived. The families were associated with the East India Company also..
1816 C Dickey of Millmount co antrim is listed in Vol 3 for for Sept in the The Literary Panorama and National Register with editor C Taylor 1816 in double columns p10149-1050 titled commercial chronicle as a linen draper
1821James Black, Racavan, Co Antrim, letter to Brice Black his son at C/O Mr.
John Dick,brices uncle so Johns wife was Dickey or Dick. Wheatfield townshipIndiana county, state ofPensylvania [Pennsylvania?]
America the Northern Rout [Route?]saying he is thinking of emigrating 1822
1825 The New Monthly Magazine and Literary Journal, Part 3 Henry Colburn and Company, W I Dickey Esq at Myrtlefields near Belfast has died.
1830 MARRIED.
At Belfast, on the 21st inst. by the Rev.Dr.Bruce, James Black of Charlestown, Esq., to Anne, daughter of the late Chas.[Charles?] Dickey, of Myrtle-field,is this his 2nd marriage?
Esq.
in 1830 in a list of subscribers in Lewis topography of Ireland are:-
Dickey, Adam Esq Hollybrook-cottage Randalstown Co Antrim
Dickey, John Esq Leighinmore Ballymena Co Antrim see braid tomstones
Dickey, Mrs jane Dickey Myrtlefield Malone Belfast so the previous possible house of Charles her husbands death is noted in the The New Monthly Magazine and Literary Journal, Part 3 Henry Colburn and Company, 1825 he is named as W I Dickey Esq at Mytlefirels near Belfast
among others
1837-41 http://www.dippam.ac.uk/ied/records/42922 James Black, a proprietor of the Randalstown cotton mills in Co.Antrim, Northern Ireland, and merchant of Charleston, South Carolina, USA. he has been exporting cotton back to europe inc ireland
In his diary, dating from 1837, James talks about his life as a businessman in Charlestown, and gives a rare glimpse into the social life of an Ulsterman made good in America, in the 19th Century. The diary will be updated each week culminating in Mr Black`s journey back to Ulster, to find a retirement home. He likes Holywood Co Down he doesn’t get the offer he expected from Lord O’Neill for his randalstown cotton factory.the factory had been run by managers while hes in America but is failing.
1823-1847 Tithe Applotment Books
Ahoghill
Dickey, Mr. Townland: Galgorm Parks Year: 1825 which mr dickey?
Drummaul
http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/antrim/tithe-applotments/drummaul-parish.php
by townland
Dickey, Nathl. Townland: Ballybollen Year: 1834
Dickey, William Townland: Ballybollen Year: 1834
Dickey, Adam Townland: Magheralane Year: 1834
end of part
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continued
1862 Griffiths valuation for occupants and map of Ballybollen http://www.askaboutireland.ie/ by townland
in1862 map ref 3Aa,3B Ann Dickey has a house valued at £2pa compared to others at5 shillings,11 acres in two plots map ref 3Aa,3B
in1862 map ref 8 Joseph Dickey has a house valued at £2pa and 20 acres,
in1862 map ref 9 William Dickey has a house valued at £2 10 shillings pa and 25 acres
Griffiths valuation for occupants and map of Magheralane Year http://www.askaboutireland.ie/
there are no Dickey listed
Griffiths continuation valuation books exist online at PRONIand the change of ownership can be traced
Griffiths valuation for occupants and map of Ahoghill has
Dickey, Andrew Todd L: Brocklamont
Dickey, Rep. John L: Brocklamont
Dickey, John L: Carniny
Dickey, John L: Tullaghgarley
Dickey, Nathaniel L: Glebe
Dickey, Samuel L: Ballybeg
Dickey, Samuel L: Carnearney
Dickey, William L: Ballyminstra
Dickey, William L: Ballymontenagh
Dickey, William L: Drumramer
Dicky, James L: Leymore
please react to see if i can supply more
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Hi Gracie (?)
Thank you for the extensive information. My wife and I actually visited Randalstown and Hollybrook House late last year; a memorable start to a driving tour around Ireland.
I am familiar with some of the info you've provided; James Black's diary which contains several mentions of the Hollybrook Dickeys and their mill, the remains of which I visited, and James Black's marriage to Charles (of Millmount) Dickey's daughter Anne *Montgomery Dickey. (It is that name of Montgomery which potentially links Charles of Millmount to the Hollybrook Dickeys via Jane Montgomery, Adam Snr's wife.)
Just to muddy the Dickey waters,there were many Dickey's around Ahoghill also descended from yet another Adam Dickey and involved in the linen trade. I've not found a link between the Ahoghill and Hollybrook Dickeys. The tradition of passing on Christian names to descendants does often raise the question of (eg) "Which Adam are we talking about?" :-D
The Dickey info I'd most be interested in is probably pre-1830 and related to any Charles Dickey or Adam Dickey of Hollybrook (died 1806).
Thanks and regards... Jon
PS the attached photo shows me at the Hollybrook mill beneath a plaque which reads "A Dickey 1775". My father's brother had also posed beneath this plaque having 'pilgrimaged' from NZ some 12 years earlier. When I arrived hoping to reprise my Uncle's photo, ivy had obscured the plaque and it took some searching before it was spotted and cleared.
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Hi Jon, that’s a great personal photo to have. thank you for sharing. i noticed you took your cap off for him. I have a similar photo taken when i was unaware of a camera present, of a more recent rescued tombstone resting on a low wall and I put my arm around it, and held tight for a minute or two. Some start to your irish hollday
He died around 250 years ago
you might be able to get further back to 350 years ago
eg 1669 Hearth Money Rolls see http://www.billmacafee.com
column titles are
Record No. Surname [Standardised] Surname as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls Forename as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls Barony Parish Townland [Modern Spelling] Townland as spelt in Hearth Money Rolls
4202 Dickey Dickey Ringan Antrim Lower Connor Appletee Speltea
4206 Dickey Dickey John Antrim Lower Connor Tullynamullan Tullymoly
5181 Dickey Dickey Adam Antrim Lower Racavan Lisnamurrikin Lisnemarrican
1737 Dickey Dickey Allex Dunluce Lower Ballyrashane Ballywatt East & West Ballywatt
1671 Dickey Dickey John Dunluce Lower Billy Ballylough Lower Ballylagh
1691 Dickey Dickey Wm Dunluce Lower Billy Ballynarry Lower Ballynerish
686 Dickey Dicky John Dunluce Lower Dunluce Dunluce Town Dunluce Towne
924 Dickey Dickey Hugh Dunluce Upper Ballymoney Ballymoney Town Ballymoney Towne
968 Dickey Dickey Janett Dunluce Upper Ballymoney Ballymoney Town Ballymoney Towne
1051 Dickey Dickan Robert Dunluce Upper Ballymoney Ballymoney Town Ballymoney Towne
1201 Dickey Dicke John Dunluce Upper Ballymoney Garry 2 Qrs of Garry
1179 Dickey Dicky Robt Dunluce Upper Ballymoney Leitrim Legtrim
1351 Dickey Dickey William Dunluce Upper Ballymoney Tullaghgore Tullaghgorr
1544 Dickey Dickey John Dunluce Upper Kilraghts Knockanavery Knockniferne Qr
3495 Dickey Dickey John Toome Lower Ahoghill Galgorm Estate Ballyconnell wast Pt of Glanagherty
3714 Dickey Dickey Adam Toome Lower Kirkinriola Ballymena Estate Kinhelts Estate
3716 Dickey Dickey Adam Jun. Toome Lower Kirkinriola Ballymena Estate Kinhelts Estate
3715 Dickey Dickey Wm Toome Lower Kirkinriola Ballymena Estate Kinhelts Estate
so you might need another holiday
I’m Bally... G to some aka JimG..ey
i live in england now, nearly emig to NZ in 1955 as i had found out North Ireland was called Ulster and South Island Munster in 1896? for about a year i think, by a new governor with ulster roots
good luck and life onwards
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Thanks for that Bally - I've yet to dig around in www.billmacafee.com
I'll just mention another link between Charles Dickey of Mill mount and the Hollybrook Dickeys;
Charles's daughter Clara left all her assets to Edward O'Rourke Dickey (which would be her cousin and grandson of Adam Dickey Snr). The plot thickens.
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I'll just mention another link between Charles Dickey of Mill mount and the Hollybrook Dickeys;
Charles's daughter Clara left all her assets to Edward O'Rourke Dickey (which would be her cousin and grandson of Adam Dickey Snr). The plot thickens.
Just happened to notice this comment. Have you seen Clara's Will or are you going by extract in Will Book? If the latter then it's more likely that either he was granted probate of her estate (possibly she named him as an executor) or that she left no Will and he was appointed Administrator. If a Will he would have to carry out her instructions or if Administration (no Will or no valid Will) then he would have to sort out the estate according to law.
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Ah - finer details I would never have thought of. The info came from another researcher, a descendant of Clara. She said she had seen "Clara's Will and Probate". Also that she had visited PRONI in Belfast, though I would have to ask her if it was at PRONI that she has seen the will. But in any of the possibilities you have described, I would deduce a close connection between Clara and her cousin Edward. I can't think of how else he might have ended up as either the beneficiary or administrator. Would he have had to be nominated by Clara?
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pky/
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If Clara didn't leave a Will then anyone could have applied. When and where did Clara die?
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1891--At St. Heliers, Jersey, Death of Clara, dau of the late Charles Dickey of Millmount, Randalstown, and widow of David M'Creigtht of Gilford, Co. Down.
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Probate abstract:
7th October 1891
Letters of administration (with the will annexed) of the personal estate of Clara M’Creight late of Norman House St Aubins Rd Jersey Widow who died 23 Feb 1891 at St Helier Jersey were granted at the Principal Registry to William Henry Ward of 3 Upper Crescent Belfast Esquire one of the Universal Legatees in Trust.
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp
The Principal Registry was in Dublin. Its records prior to 1904 were destroyed in the 1922 fire in the Public Record Office. However in some cases duplicates exist (eg kept by a solicitor) or in this case possibly in the Jersey Probate Office.
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Hi Elwyn! I guess that the Dickey cousin could be a beneficiary, as my other researcher claims. I'll have to get back to her and ask where/how she came to that belief.
Searching in your will calendars link brings up no results (because of the fire you mention?)
PS The same info that you presented above popped today up as a hint for Clara on ancestry.com
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639498759
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It’s important to spell the name as you see it, ie with M’. M’ is the original version of Mc or Mac. Not in much use these days but it was standard in the 1700s and 1800s. If you can’t get it to work, just enter her forename only leaving the surname blank. Specify 1891 as year of death. Only a handful of Claras come up and you should see her easily enough.
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Yes, the apostrophe has a rich history.
Its graphic is strictly upright.
Its two immediate cousins (acute & grave) are a tad more tiddly!
Normally used as diacritics (meant to be written as modifiers above underlying characters) they can also appear as separate characters in their own right.
Particularly so as outputs in transcribed texts.
Especially in computer-graphic-scanned/automatically-"interpreted" productions.
Check out Unicode.org, or NOT!
The standards evolved with the years, and implementations (e.g. ISO character tables) varied across computing platforms (Apple, Microsoft, DEC, IBM, BELL "UNIX"...), creating a huge cross-industry reconciliation problem of the versions levels.
[I worked alongside international language experts at Rank Xerox International once.
Mind blowing stuff.]
The Republic within Ireland banned the use of the "grave" diacritic within Irish Gaelic in 1948.
[No doubt inspired by the rationalisations of the "English" language effected much earlier in the USA.]
I recall chasing a "M'" record once (which I "knew" must be in the online record) to no avail.
Then I put on my "alternative thinking" cap, and tried the "grave" character.
Top left of the keyboard. Bingo!
[Simpler method nowadays, supported by most browser searches, just use a "?" or two, or "*".]
I used to tease my erstwhile old mate, Mr. McHale, that he couldn't take the Mick out of me.
[I'm descended from an O'Hale!]
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Alternative record resource is the Tenison GROVES archive at PRONI.
He was a Record Agent (sort of legal secretary) based in Belfast.
He travelled to Dublin and transcribed many relevant records relating to folks in the North.
His productions are held/indexed (transcribed?) by PRONI.
They are also available on LDS microfilms.
A few are typewritten, but many are in awkward-to-interpret scriptive writing.
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Interesting to see your links with the Channel Islands.
Then, as now, 'Twas a lovely place to live, and also a tax haven!
Ideal place for pensioners (annuitants) to retire.
['Tis why major manufacturers, with links to the continent (e.g KEILLER marmalade, of Dundee), migrated their operations to there. Superb hub from which to access the furthest reaches of "The Empire".]
We had DIGMAN mariners/victuallers in St. Peter Port on Guernsey till around 1865.
Don't know why they went there.
[Though I did find two records of ships sailing direct from Guernsey landing cider at Belfast in the 1790s.]
Pip pip!
Capt Jock
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It’s important to spell the name as you see it, ie with M’. M’ is the original version of Mc or Mac. Not in much use these days but it was standard in the 1700s and 1800s. If you can’t get it to work, just enter her forename only leaving the surname blank. Specify 1891 as year of death. Only a handful of Claras come up and you should see her easily enough.
Thanks for the tip Elwyn. The apostrophe in M'Creight was indeed flagged as an invalid character. But leaving out her surname didn't pull up any likely candidates. I've contacted my other researcher, who married a McCreight, and await a reply.
@ Capt Jock "... he couldn't take the Mick out of me." :D :D
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It’s important to spell the name as you see it, ie with M’. M’ is the original version of Mc or Mac. Not in much use these days but it was standard in the 1700s and 1800s. If you can’t get it to work, just enter her forename only leaving the surname blank. Specify 1891 as year of death. Only a handful of Claras come up and you should see her easily enough.
Thanks for the tip Elwyn. The apostrophe in M'Creight was indeed flagged as an invalid character. But leaving out her surname didn't pull up any likely candidates. I've contacted my other researcher, who married a McCreight, and await a reply.
@ Capt Jock "... he couldn't take the Mick out of me." :D :D
I had no difficulty in finding it again just now. There are 6 Claras who had probate granted in 1891. Yours is the 2nd on the list.
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I had no difficulty in finding it again just now. There are 6 Claras who had probate granted in 1891. Yours is the 2nd on the list.
Nope... still not finding her. So just to make sure that I'm filling in the search boxes correctly.
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I had no difficulty in finding it again just now. There are 6 Claras who had probate granted in 1891. Yours is the 2nd on the list.
Nope... still not finding her. So just to make sure that I'm filling in the search boxes correctly.
Try your search here: http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/index.jsp
The will is not in PRONI will calendars.
KG
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Jon,
I mentioned the will was at the Principal Registry in Dublin (i.e. not Belfast, Armagh or Londonderry which are the records PRONI has). And I gave you the link to the Principal Registry site!
Elwyn
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Full will
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/wr/details.jsp?id=IRE/ORIG/WILL/REG/19072
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11228/8116614.pdf
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Jon,
I mentioned the will was at the Principal Registry in Dublin (i.e. not Belfast, Armagh or Londonderry which are the records PRONI has). And I gave you the link to the Principal Registry site!
Elwyn
So you did :-[ I've been accused before of 'looking for love in all the wrong places' ;)
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Full will
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/wr/details.jsp?id=IRE/ORIG/WILL/REG/19072
Thanks Dathai. Bam! There it is. And no mention of cousin Edward Dickey. Clara's 3 grandchildren are the beneficiaries. AND I've just received a reply from my McCreight researcher who says, more or less, "Oops, I was mistaken. It was Clara-the-grand-daughter who left her estate to Edward Dickey".
Anyway, I've gained some new research sources from everyone during this exercise. I need the practise in using them :D
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Clara
https://billiongraves.com/grave/CLARA-MARCELLA-McCREICHT/16850850
death
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVGJ-MXNY
Administration bottom of right hand page
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014910/005014910_00084.pdf
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2DBS-T4G
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward__Belfast/Somerton_Road/977998/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Somerton_Road/143057/
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???
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4BQ3-QPZ
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possibly had a daughter Dorothy Isabella born Alberta circa 1896
husband possibly remarried
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHVZ-ZBZ
Dorothy's marriage 1925 naming her mother as Clara McCreight
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6LHS-419?i=101&cc=1307718
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Dorothy's marriage 1925 naming her mother as Clara McCreight
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6LHS-419?i=101&cc=1307718
Thank you for the wealth of info Dathai. I think that I have enough to go on for now regarding Clara *Marcella McCreight (Clara K Dickey's granddaughter.) although some intrigue remains (see below).
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014910/005014910_00084.pdf confirms that Clara Marcella named Edward Dickey as her beneficiary, and that (gasp) Edward was Clara's husband's solicitor! Clara Marcella was only 21 when she died. Why the solicitor and not the husband?
Also, I'm not sure that this transaction between a 'Charles of Millmount' descendant and a 'Dickeys of Hollybrook' descendant amounts to a clue that there was a familial connection. It could just be coincidental.
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http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014910/005014910_00084.pdf confirms that Clara Marcella named Edward Dickey as her beneficiary, and that (gasp) Edward was Clara's husband's solicitor! Clara Marcella was only 21 when she died. Why the solicitor and not the husband?
Once you need to read more carefully. The Will Book says 'administration' (no Will) and thus Clara Marcella did not name Edward, or anyone else, as beneficiary.
Since Clara Marcella died in Canada (was her husband there also?) it was a perfectly sensible thing for her husband to appoint an Irish solicitor to deal with things here.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/123138963/clara-marcella-fraser
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Once you need to read more carefully. The Will Book says 'administration' (no Will) and thus Clara Marcella did not name Edward, or anyone else, as beneficiary.
Since Clara Marcella died in Canada (was her husband there also?) it was a perfectly sensible thing for her husband to appoint an Irish solicitor to deal with things here.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/123138963/clara-marcella-fraser
Thanks. I agree, language is important. I need more experience in the contextual interpretation.
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I'll just mention another link between Charles Dickey of Mill mount and the Hollybrook Dickeys;
Charles's daughter Clara left all her assets to Edward O'Rourke Dickey (which would be her cousin and grandson of Adam Dickey Snr). The plot thickens.
Just happened to notice this comment. Have you seen Clara's Will or are you going by extract in Will Book? If the latter then it's more likely that either he was granted probate of her estate (possibly she named him as an executor) or that she left no Will and he was appointed Administrator. If a Will he would have to carry out her instructions or if Administration (no Will or no valid Will) then he would have to sort out the estate according to law.
Just recognising that you (Aghadowey) were trying to tell me something similar weeks ago :-[
I'll get better at this...
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OK - returning to my original post question...
Is Charles Dickey of Millmount (CoM) (1761 - 1827) related by blood to the Hollybrook Dickeys, in particular to Adam Dickey Snr (d. 1806)
In that first post I posited some tantalizing clues... some admittedly tenuous, eg...
* the fact that a grandson of Adam Snr (Edward Dickey) was nominated to administer the will of a descendant of Com (Clara M McCreight) I now consider to be a very weak link between the two families. Possibly a 6 degrees of separation coincidence.
I'd like to focus on another fact; that Charles was a co-executor of Adam Snr's will. The only indication I have of this is from a newspaper public notice (which for copy-write reasons I cannot post here)
Dissolution of Cotton Spinning Partnership (1810)
19 February 1810
Randalstown, Antrim
Belfast Commercial Chronicle
The notice ends
"Jas & Chas Dickey
Exts late Adam Dickey"
Exts = Presumably 'Executors'.
The late Adam Dickey died 4 MARCH 1806 • Hollybrook, Randalstown. I've had no luck finding any will records with PRONI (via Pre-1858 Name-search) and National Archives will calendars only go back to 1858.
I'd like to corroborate that Charles was Adam Snr's executor. I know in itself it doesn't confirm a familial link between the two men.
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This post can be tied in with the earlier post on Macaulay - Dickey.
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Jon,
Here’s a link to a marriage settlement in the Irish Register of Deeds, dated 1789, which mentions Adam Dickey of Hollybrook, plus some of his relatives. You might find it helpful.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-R93Z-7?i=462&cat=185720
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I think William GILLILAN (c1775-1857), son of Hugh GILLILAN (d. 1781) of Ballygarvey, was related to these Dickeys. His wife was called Clara, and she might have been a daughter of Edward HUDSON and Elizabeth DICKEY mentioned at the top of this post:
https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/dickey/2333/
I don’t have proof yet, and my evidence is a little circular, but bear with me.
In 1803, William GILLILAN was a witness in a lease from Thomas DICKEY of Hillhead to John CATHCART of Low Broughshane (probably a cousin of Gilliland’s). In 1813, John CATHCART sold the lease (Bones’s Farm in Drumfane) to William GILLILAN, then of Ballygarvey.
From 1810-1819, William GILLILAN and Thomas DICKEY were churchwardens in Kirkinriola Parish Church. In 1816-1817, William GILLILAN shows up in Loughbrickland (presumably something to do with Edward HUDSON junior who apparently died there in about 1817), as one of the assignees connected with the bankruptcy of James and Charles DICKEY.
By the end of 1817, William GILLILAN seems to have been back in Ballymena, but in 1820 he was of Millmount in Randalstown. Had he bought the property out of bankruptcy? In 1825 he was living in or near Castledawson, but by 1827 he was in financial difficulties of his own thanks to William TENNENT of Belfast calling in his loan (PRONI D1748/B/1/121).
Children of William GILLILAN and Clara [HUDSON/DICKEY???] identified so far:
- Rev. Hugh GILLILAN (c1804-1858)
- Edward Hudson GILLILAN (1806-1882)
- Jane GILLILAN (1811-1852)
- Clarissa GILLILAN (c1814-1892)
- William GILLILAN (c1816-1833)
- Adam Hudson GILLILAN (c1817-1893)
- Julia GILLILAN
- Thomas GILLILAN (c1819-1900)
- Hercules Ellis GILLILAN (c1821-1875)
- James Montgomery GILLILAN (1822-1898)
- Catherine GILLILAN (d. 1885)
- Eliza GILLILAN (d. 1885)
- John GILLILAN (c1827-1849)
You can see the Hudson names in there, which is why I think Clara was from that family. Plus the business connections to the Dickeys. That is the circular argument bit, because I can’t be 100% sure that William GILLILAN of Ballygarvey is the same man who had all those children. I’d like to find his marriage to be certain.
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I’ve just discovered that William Gillilan’s (c1775-1857) mother was Jane Dickey, daughter of Thomas Dickey of Brocklimont…
Book 305 / Page 382 / Number 202539
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSH3-MS9H-9?i=201&cat=185720
Memorial of marriage settlement dated 30th Aug 1774, between Thomas Dickie [Dickey] of Brocklimont, Parish of Ahoghill, linen draper, 1st part; Hugh Gillilan of Ballygarvey, Parish of Kirkinriola, gent, 2nd part. Marriage intended between Hugh Gillilan and Jane Dickie, eldest daughter of said Thomas Dickie. Hugh Gillilan gives Jane an annuity of £60 should she survive him without them having issue, or £40 annuity if they have children. If the annuity from the providing company is insufficient, it is to become chargeable on the half townland of Ballymena and the quarter townland of Mullycanleave [Magheramully?], in the Parish of Skerry. Witnessed by John Campbell, merchant, and Henry Joy, printer, both of Belfast. Memorial witnessed by said John Campbell and Henry Joy. Registered 22nd Nov 1774.
So that explains why William Gillilan was involved in business with the Dickeys – they were presumably cousins rather than in-laws. I’m not yet sure how the various members of the Dickey family relate to each other.
I did come across an interesting account of the Dickeys and, their origin in Ayrshire, and their assistance to local Catholic families – see footnote on p325, volume 3, of O’Laverty’s Historical Account of the Diocese of Down and Connor, Ancient and Modern.
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Jon,
Here’s a link to a marriage settlement in the Irish Register of Deeds, dated 1789, which mentions Adam Dickey of Hollybrook, plus some of his relatives. You might find it helpful.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-R93Z-7?i=462&cat=185720
Hi Elwyn! Apologies for the late reply but I'd put things aside over the past 6 months or so. Thank you for that link. It indeed announces the intended wedding between a John Todd and Mary Dickey, who I believe to be Adam Snr's sister.
I recently came across a Dickey tree on Ancestry.com that went back a further 8 generations (!) from my Adam Snr of Hollybrook. By way of names and some birth/death dates it 'fleshed out' Adam Snr's siblings and parents which is as far back as I need to go. And it gave Charles as a brother to Adam Snr so that was a nice resolution to my pesky question.
There was no supporting documentation for any individuals on that Dickey tree so I'm taking the relationships on good faith.
Best wishes to you!
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I think William GILLILAN (c1775-1857), son of Hugh GILLILAN (d. 1781) of Ballygarvey, was related to these Dickeys. His wife was called Clara, and she might have been a daughter of Edward HUDSON and Elizabeth DICKEY mentioned at the top of this post:
https://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/dickey/2333/
I don’t have proof yet, and my evidence is a little circular, but bear with me...
In 1803, William GILLILAN was a witness in a lease from Thomas DICKEY of Hillhead to John CATHCART of Low Broughshane (probably a cousin of Gilliland’s). In 1813, John CATHCART sold the lease (Bones’s Farm in Drumfane) to William GILLILAN, then of Ballygarvey.
From 1810-1819, William GILLILAN and Thomas DICKEY were churchwardens in Kirkinriola Parish Church. In 1816-1817, William GILLILAN shows up in Loughbrickland (presumably something to do with Edward HUDSON junior who apparently died there in about 1817), as one of the assignees connected with the bankruptcy of James and Charles DICKEY.
By the end of 1817, William GILLILAN seems to have been back in Ballymena, but in 1820 he was of Millmount in Randalstown. Had he bought the property out of bankruptcy? In 1825 he was living in or near Castledawson, but by 1827 he was in financial difficulties of his own thanks to William TENNENT of Belfast calling in his loan (PRONI D1748/B/1/121).
Children of William GILLILAN and Clara [HUDSON/DICKEY???] identified so far:
- Rev. Hugh GILLILAN (c1804-1858)
- Edward Hudson GILLILAN (1806-1882)
- Jane GILLILAN (1811-1852)
- Clarissa GILLILAN (c1814-1892)
- William GILLILAN (c1816-1833)
- Adam Hudson GILLILAN (c1817-1893)
- Julia GILLILAN
- Thomas GILLILAN (c1819-1900)
- Hercules Ellis GILLILAN (c1821-1875)
- James Montgomery GILLILAN (1822-1898)
- Catherine GILLILAN (d. 1885)
- Eliza GILLILAN (d. 1885)
- John GILLILAN (c1827-1849)
You can see the Hudson names in there, which is why I think Clara was from that family. Plus the business connections to the Dickeys. That is the circular argument bit, because I can’t be 100% sure that William GILLILAN of Ballygarvey is the same man who had all those children. I’d like to find his marriage to be certain.
Hello Gilby - nice sleuthing there. When Charles and James became bankrupt, Charles's Millmount property was listed among the chattels to be sold (I have the newspaper clipping) so it may well have been picked up by William GILLILAN.
Adam and Charles Dickey did have a sister named Clara but I have no dates for her, and the name may be a coincidence.