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Title: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 03 June 20 11:21 BST (UK)
I have decided to try and clean up a loose end. I am trying to find Elsie Maud Ridgway born 18/2/1901 Nuneaton.

Her birth registered Ridgeway March qtr 1901 Nuneaton 6d 513. no mmn given.

On her Marriage 9/6/1924 name given as Ridgway father's name given as Arthur Ridgway(dec) platelyer. Living at 15, Whittleford Road, Stockingford.

I am trying to find her with her parents in the census so I can find her mother's name.

I haven't looked at this for a few years years but I had in my notes maybe her RG13/2902 141 8. Parents Albert and Annie. living at Tuttle Hill. I do not have the census image I can look at now. I also found the same family in 1911 living in the same area.

Alan



Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Milliepede on Wednesday 03 June 20 11:43 BST (UK)
You would need to order her birth certificate to be certain of her mothers name especially if no father is listed as she may have "made up" a father when she married if she was illegitimate. 

Where have you got her exact date of birth from?

Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Wednesday 03 June 20 11:47 BST (UK)
Thank you. Yes I suppose I can do that, it took a month to get the last two PDF's I sent for and as I was sat here doing nothing thought this would be a good idea to have a search so I suppose your right just ignore my Topic I will do that. Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: ColC on Wednesday 03 June 20 11:47 BST (UK)
Mother's Maiden Surname:  No maiden name
RIDGEWAY, ELSIE  MAUD     - 
GRO Reference: 1901  M Quarter in NUNEATON  Volume 06D  Page 513

1901 – 102 Abbey St. Nuneaton
Oliver Everitt 59 Sarah A Everitt 56 David Everitt 29 Charley Everitt 27
Sarah A Ridgway 21 Alice Ridgway 17 Martha Ridgway 14 Elsie Ridgway 1/12

All Ridgeways noted as Step Daur, except Elsie who is Step Grand Daur

Good luck with this one Alan.

Colin

Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Thursday 04 June 20 14:31 BST (UK)
Thank you Colin. First of all Oliver Everitt married Sarah Ridgway in 1897 Nuneaton. so it looks like Olivers children were  from his first marriage and Sarah, Alice and Martha were Sarah's daughters from her first marriage. Maybe Elsie is the daughter of one of those three. But thats a great start with the census and I can rule out the family from Tuttle Hill. Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 04 June 20 15:05 BST (UK)

1901 – 102 Abbey St. Nuneaton
Oliver Everitt 59 Sarah A Everitt 56 David Everitt 29 Charley Everitt 27
Sarah A Ridgway 21 Alice Ridgway 17 Martha Ridgway 14 Elsie Ridgway 1/12

All Ridgeways noted as Step Daur, except Elsie who is Step Grand Daur


1911 census from familysearch

Oliver Everitt   Husband   Male   73   Chaple Eend Warwickshire
John Crouley   Boarder   Male   77   Polesworth Warwickshire
Thomas Ison   Boarder   Male   36   Chaple End Warwickshire
Charles Everitt   Son   Male   40   Chaple End  Warwickshire
Percy Ison      Male   10   Nuneaton  Warwickshire
Elsey M Ridgway Female   10   Nuneaton Warwickshire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZJ-MWK
- not shown Sarah Everitt Head 67 & George Ridgway son 37

Not sure if you have the marriage details for Oliver & Sarah

Oliver Everitt Age Full Widower
Residence   Nuneaton
Occupation   Labourer
Marriage date   25 Dec 1897
Denomination   Anglican
Place   Nuneaton, St Nicholas
Spouse Sarah Ridgway age Full Widow
Spouse's residence   Nuneaton
Father's name   Joseph Everitt
Father's occupation   Labourer
Spouse's father Edwin Howes (maybe Clowes :-\) occ Potter
By licence or by banns   Banns
witnesses Thomas Ison & Hannah Kent (x)
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Thursday 04 June 20 15:24 BST (UK)
Thank you Ladyhawk. I have logged into family search a short while ago and I can't get it to give me information like that for some reason I used to be able to, I'm just useless, but you have given me the link so thats great. I can get the actual marriage from the records office when it reopens its only 5 mins away. Alan I am so grateful.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Thursday 04 June 20 16:03 BST (UK)
Using that link you gave me I can now use the search and have now found Sarah and her first husband Charles I A in 1891. Along with the three daughters and two sons.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 04 June 20 16:07 BST (UK)
Do you know who Sarah 's first husband was?

The reason I ask is this 1891 census entry some children's name same as those on 1901 census


1891c 12 Court, Abbey Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire
Charles J A Ridgway   Head   Married   1845   Brick Maker   Heather, Leicestershire
Sarah   Ridgway   Wife   Married   1849   Newhall, Derbyshire
George   Ridgway   Son   Single   1874   Brickyard Labourer   Leicestershire
Sarah A   Ridgway   Daughter      1880   Scholar   Leicestershire
Alice   Ridgway   Daughter              1884   Scholar   Warwickshire
Martha A   Ridgway   Daughter      1886   Scholar   Warwickshire
Frank   Ridgway   Son              1891      Nuneaton, Warwickshire,
George   Powell   Boarder   1872   Brickyard Labourer   Ansley, Warwickshire

but looking at some of the birth entries on GRO indexes it appears that her maiden name was DRAYCOTT  ???

George RIDGWAY mmn    DRAYCOTE
1873  S Quarter in ASHBY-DE-LA ZOUCH  Volume 07A  Page 83   

Sarah Ann RIDGWAY mmn DRAYCOTT
1880  M Quarter in ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH  Volume 07A  Page 83   

Alice RIDGWAY mmn DRACKETT
1883  D Quarter in MARKET BOSWORTH  Volume 07A  Page 73   

Martha Ann RIDGWAY mmn DRAYCOTT
1887  J Quarter in MARKET BOSWORTH  Volume 07A  Page 83

and this appears to be the marriage entry

Dec 1869                 
Cutler   James Smith      Ashby Z.   7a   271
DRAYCOTT   Sarah      Ashby Z   7a   271
Moon   Sarah      Ashby De La Zouch   7a   271
RIDGWAY Charles Joseph A      Ashby Z.   7a   271

Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 04 June 20 16:07 BST (UK)
We were posting at the same time  :)
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Thursday 04 June 20 16:48 BST (UK)
Yeah sorry just noticed your posts, i have been typing all the names into my tree and looking at the same time on family search for other census. I found George in 1881 boarding with a Giles family.

I have to get that birth certificate now because I believe her mother was probably one of those three girls. Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 04 June 20 19:35 BST (UK)
I have to get that birth certificate now because I believe her mother was probably one of those three girls.

Perhaps either Sarah Ann or Alice as Martha was only 14 on 1901 census - please come back and let us know

I wonder if Elsie might be Sarah’s daughter it looks as if Sarah died in 1904 and that could be why
Elsie was living with Sarah & Oliver in 1911

Sarah Ann Ridgway Age 24 (1880) died at The General Hospital
Burial date   09 Jan 1904
Denomination   Anglican
Place   Nuneaton, St Mary
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Thursday 04 June 20 19:36 BST (UK)
I now think I have found Sarah's birth Dec qtr 1847 Mansfield 15 452. mmn Holmes.

The only one that fitted for a death was 1914 aged 67 Nuneaton. So that Edwin Clowes is still a mystery.
Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Thursday 04 June 20 19:39 BST (UK)
ok that's really good information thank you. I have ordered it this afternoon.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Thursday 04 June 20 19:42 BST (UK)
I did realise Martha would be only 14 so I thought it could have happened, but that death is better Idea.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Thursday 04 June 20 19:44 BST (UK)
Martha married in 1909 by the look of it to a William. I did look that up earlier wondering if it might have been an Arthur. I do think the Arthur was made up now though because there isn't one dieing between 1900 and 1924.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 04 June 20 20:11 BST (UK)
Martha married in 1909 by the look of it to a William. I did look that up earlier wondering if it might have been an Arthur. I do think the Arthur was made up now though because there isn't one dieing between 1900 and 1924.

Unfortunately marriage doesn’t appear on F M P site

Martha RIDGWAY
Mar 1909 Nuneaton
married one of these people
William Tudor Morris, William Houghton
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Thursday 04 June 20 20:21 BST (UK)
Looks like it was William Morris. There is a death 1926 aged 40.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Thursday 04 June 20 20:37 BST (UK)
Well that is brilliant what you have all found thank you. I just have to wait for the certificate. meanwhile tomorrow I am off to Bucks Hill cemetery to find Elsie Maud and her husband Harold Herbert Mansell gravestone I am told is there somewhere. Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: julieproctor61 on Thursday 04 June 20 21:38 BST (UK)
I may have this totally wrong, in which case just ignore my ramblings.   i keep coming back to a baptism for an Elsie Maud Rogers and wondering if this could be your Elsie Maud's baptism as the date of birth is the same, the mother is Sarah Anne and the address is almost next door to the Everitt's in 1901, I also can't seem to find a birth for Elsie Maud Rogers.  In 1901 there is an unmarried Edward Rogers (hairdresser) living at 32 Midland Road with his mother and siblings.  Could he be your Elsie's father, with Sarah Anne Ridgeway the mother?

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2%2FGBPRS%2FWARWICKSHIRE%2FPR-NONEXC%2FNUNEATONSTNICHOLAS%2FDR0280-01-00105&parentid=GBPRS%2FWARWICKSHIRE%2FBAP%2F001783656
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Thursday 04 June 20 21:50 BST (UK)
Hello Julie. I am intrigued. You may just have something. It is just too much of a coincidence same christian names, same date of birth, living in the same road, same mothers christian names. Just has to be her. The certificate is going to be interesting. Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 04 June 20 22:36 BST (UK)
Hello Julie. I am intrigued. You may just have something. It is just too much of a coincidence same christian names, same date of birth, living in the same road, same mothers christian names. Just has to be her. The certificate is going to be interesting. Alan

Certainly looks a good find.......

For info
Edward marries 1910 Kate Taverner, the have a son Frank William Edward Rogers born Dec qtr 1911

1911 census Edward Rogers Occ hairdresser
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZF-G8X
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Thursday 04 June 20 22:38 BST (UK)
I have just this moment worked Edward out. He died 1952 and Kate died 1965. but hadnt worked the children out.  :)
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Thursday 04 June 20 22:42 BST (UK)
That's brilliant that Ladyhawk what a find at the last minute. Wonder why they never registered her as Rogers. Thanks for the census. Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 04 June 20 23:00 BST (UK)
Here’s the baptism details

Frank William Edward Rogers
Birth date   12 Oct 1911
Baptism date   05 Jul 1912
Denomination   Anglican
Place   Nuneaton, St Mary
Father Edward Rogers
Mother Kate
Residence   50 Abbey St
Father's occupation   Hairdresser

Frank died 1987 - you can search for them on 1939 Register

Census says 1 child born 1 died but I can’t find a birth before Frank  ???

Wonder why they never registered her as Rogers.

Probably because they were not married - will be interesting to see who registered the birth

Edit to add - found this

common occurrence was the illegitimate child. It was implied, though not always the case, that the omission of the father’s name from the certificate suggested illegitimacy.

From 1875 the reputed father HAD to be present at the registration to consent to his name being added.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Friday 19 June 20 10:09 BST (UK)
still waiting for the certificate. Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Friday 19 June 20 14:37 BST (UK)
Well here it is mother Sarah Ann Ridgeway hosiery hand. No father's name given. Born 23, Court, Abbey Street. 18/2/1901 reg. 15/3/1901. Same address as the baptism 17/4/1901. So definitely same person. So well spotted Julie.

Strange she registered her as Ridgway before the baptism and then baptised her Rogers. who's to say who the real father was. Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: julieproctor61 on Friday 19 June 20 23:07 BST (UK)
Another one to consider  :)

In the Nuneaton Observer 5/6/1903

"John Bartlett,miner, Stockingford was summoned by Sarah Ann Ridgway, single Nuneaton who sought an order in bastardy.  An order was made for 3s per week to be paid until the child was 14 years of age, defendant to pay the costs 18s"

There is also an article 28/8/1903 where he is summoned again for arrears

Julie

Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Friday 19 June 20 23:47 BST (UK)
Wow Julie what a surprise. Definitely Sarah. Now was that another child or was that Elsie. Sarah died in 1904 and I wonder what she died of now. Elsie being born in 1901 and 1903 the case. Unless he had stopped paying. I wonder if her death is in the Observer. John Bartlett miner may be in the census somewhere. Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Friday 19 June 20 23:56 BST (UK)
There is an Albert Edward Ridgway birth June qtr 1902 Nuneaton 6d 517. No mmn given. A bit like Elsie Maud no mmn given. Could that be the child.

Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: julieproctor61 on Saturday 20 June 20 09:21 BST (UK)
i found these  would the original records hold more details? 

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FWARWICKSHIRE%2FBASTA%2F005168

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FWARWICKSHIRE%2FBASTA%2F005180

I did look for Sarah's death in the papers but only found the other articles. 
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 09:36 BST (UK)
If this Albert Edward Ridgway is Sarah's son and I suppose I will never know unless I buy the certificate which is going to take weeks again to get. First of all when Sarah registered Elsie as Ridgeway and Albert is Ridgway the proper spelling is my only doubts that I might be wasting my money. I have looked for him getting married and even his death but no sign. Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 09:40 BST (UK)
If the Warwick Records Office was open it would be so easy for me i can look at all the Parish records and newspapers. I wonder if there is a baptism for an Albert Edward Ridgway or Bartlett at St Nicholas Church in Nuneaton.

Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 10:31 BST (UK)
Julie thanks, that first one is 28/11/1901 with no father's name on it could probably be for Elsie born 18/2/1901. The second one in 1903 could be for a different child naming John Bartlett as the father. Like you say the originals would probably give more details.

This is just something I was wondering.

On 15/3/1901 Sarah registered Elsie as living at 23, Court, Abbey Street. On 31/3/1901 census date Sarah was with her mother at 102, Abbey Street. Edward Rogers was at 32, Midland Road with his mother. Then on 17th April the baptism they gave the address as 23, Court, Abbey Street.

So if 23, Court, Abbey Street is the same as 102, Abbey Street that would make sense.

Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 10:40 BST (UK)
Soon as that Record Office opens I can look at the originals.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 20 June 20 11:02 BST (UK)
Just using "Albert Edward", mother's name as "Sarah" and Nuneaton as the location, there is no sign of a baptism at St Nicholas, Nuneaton - 1905 +/- 5 years.

Similarly for Elsie.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 11:08 BST (UK)
Hi BumbleB  :)

I have the image for Elsie, she was baptised as Elsie Rogers on 17/4/1901 at St Nicholas.

I have just been googling and there is a story about Sarah's sister Martha something to do with steeling 5/8/1904 Nuneaton Observer.

Alan
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: BumbleB on Saturday 20 June 20 11:48 BST (UK)
Oops!
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 11:57 BST (UK)
That John Bartlett was in court a lot according to the Observer
Cruelty to a dog 19/9/1902
Chasing a Hare 22/4/1908
Terniti Case 5/6/1903
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: julieproctor61 on Saturday 20 June 20 12:00 BST (UK)



So if 23, Court, Abbey Street is the same as 102, Abbey Street that would make sense.

Alan

Looking at the 1901 images of the census returns there doesn't appear to be a number 23 court
22 court is next door
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 13:07 BST (UK)
Sarah's father was Albert.

I have found a marriage 1928 Hinckley Albert Ridgway to Gladys James age 25 no father given.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 June 20 14:34 BST (UK)
I have just been googling and there is a story about Sarah's sister Martha something to do with steeling 5/8/1904 Nuneaton Observer.

05 August 1904 - Nuneaton Observer

Hinckley Girl in Trouble
Lizzie Colver, hosiery hand, Hinckley, was charged by Martha A Ridgway with stealing a jacket and a pair of boots, value 19s. at Nuneaton on July 27th.
Sarah Everitt, wife of Oliver, Jodrell Street stated the defendant came to live with her as a lodger on 17th July. Witness gave her 1s. 4d. to make some purchases, and defendant went out and never came back.
Martha Ann Ridgway, daughter of previous witness, deponed to missing her jacket and shoes. Defendant pleaded not guilty, but the case was proved and she was sentenced to one months imprisonment.

From your thread on the census Sarah & Martha stepdaughter of Oliver Everitt

Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 14:50 BST (UK)
Thank you Ladyhawk.

I have tried to get to those stories off the Observer through FindMyPast but I haven't been able to work out how to do it. I managed to download the 28/8/1903 page but that's all at the minute.

I do think that Albert is another child of Sarah with the father John Bartlett I found him in the 1939 with his wife Gladys although they have got the year wrong but probably the birthday date. I am not surprised he was confused which year he was born. I wouldn't be sure Edward Rogers was the father of Elsie though although his name was on the baptism.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 14:53 BST (UK)
In one of those court cases for John Bartlett he was living in Whittleford Road that's the same Road Elsie was living in 1924 when she got married. I took a picture of the house last week when I was there.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 June 20 15:06 BST (UK)
Sarah's father was Albert.

I have found a marriage 1928 Hinckley Albert Ridgway to Gladys James age 25 no father given.


Is the witness Violet related to Albert ?
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 15:16 BST (UK)
I haven't heard of a Violet before. In one census her father is Albert and in another its Charles Joseph Albert Ridgway there is also a brother Albert in 1881.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 June 20 15:45 BST (UK)
There is an Albert Edward Ridgway birth June qtr 1902 Nuneaton 6d 517. No mmn given.
A bit like Elsie Maud no mmn given. Could that be the child.

1911 census from familysearch
Oliver Everitt   Husband   Male   73   Chaple Eend Warwickshire
John Crouley   Boarder   Male   77   Polesworth Warwickshire
Thomas Ison   Boarder   Male   36   Chaple End Warwickshire
Charles Everitt   Son   Male   40   Chaple End  Warwickshire
Percy Ison      Male   10   Nuneaton  Warwickshire
Elsey M Ridgway Female   10   Nuneaton Warwickshire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZJ-MWK
- not shown Sarah Everitt Head 67 & George Ridgway son 37

Do you have Albert in 1911 - he's not with Sarah's daughter Elsey
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 15:53 BST (UK)
No I haven't found him in 1911. I haven't found John Bartlett either. I wondered if Albert took his name until he got married. Wondered if like Elsie he was baptised a different name.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 16:06 BST (UK)
I've resubscribed to FindMyPast hoping I could search the census's but I wish now I had gone to Ancestry because the format is so hard to work out. I am finding it hard to find anything about any of the census's other than the 1939. On Ancestry its far easier.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 June 20 18:27 BST (UK)
No I haven't found him in 1911. I haven't found John Bartlett either.

I wondered if Albert took his name until he got married.

Wondered if like Elsie he was baptised a different name.

Is this John on 1901 census ?

The 1903 Paternity Case for John Bartlett gives his occ Miner, Stockingford

1901c 13, Church Road, Stockingford, Nuneaton
Richard   Ashby   Head   Labourer   Stockingford, Warwickshire
Sarah   Ashby   Wife   1841      Higham on the Hill, Leicestershire
John   Ashby   Son           1880   Coal Miner   Stockingford, Warwickshire
Albert   Ashby   Son   1882   Coal Miner   Stockingford, Warwickshire
Walter   Ashby   Son.  1884 Coal Miner   Stockingford, Warwickshire
John   Bartlett   Boarder   Single. 1883   Coal Miner   Moreton Morrell, Warwickshire
RG13 Piece 2901 Folio 109 Page   21
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 18:34 BST (UK)
That is brilliant at least now I know his birth year and born in Moreton Morrell. Should be able to find him in the others now, back on Ancestry as well now.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 18:53 BST (UK)
I wonder if that's him in 1891 John Parllett in Moreton Morrell
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 June 20 19:01 BST (UK)
If you can't find him in 1911 - a possibility maybe, no age given but right name and occupation

John Bartlett
Marital status   S
Occupation   MINER
Departure 2 6 1909
Departure port   Southampton
Destination port   New York
Ship name   St Louis

I wonder if that's him in 1891 John Parllett in Moreton Morrell

Can you give the reference number please as I'm not finding him

Edit found him - RG12 Piece 2476 Folio 111 Page   8

So is this his birth entry?

PARTLETT, JOHN    mmn CHERRY 
1882  D Quarter in STRATFORD ON AVON  Volume 06D  Page 604

Can’t see one c1883 in S o A for a John Bartlett
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 20:12 BST (UK)
Well.

Ellen Cherry married Henry Rose 1872 reg Stratford A.
Ellen Rose widow of Bishops Tachbrook married David Partlett widower from Moreton Morrell in 1879

in 1881 they are in Newbold Pacey about a mile from Moreton Morrell
David and Ellen Partlett

So it looks like John's real name was Partlett not Bartlett as he thought most of his life.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 June 20 20:23 BST (UK)
Well.

Ellen Cherry married Henry Rose 1872 reg Stratford A.
Ellen Rose widow of Bishops Tachbrook married David Partlett widower from Moreton Morrell in 1879

in 1881 they are in Newbold Pacey about a mile from Moreton Morrell
David and Ellen Partlett

So it looks like John's real name was Partlett not Bartlett as he thought most of his life.

Not 1882 birth free search 1939 register possibility  John Partlett 1883 Nuneaton M.B., Warwickshire

Edit - death?

John PARTLETT Age   68
Death quarter   4
Death year   1951
District   Nuneaton Warwickshire
Volume   9C Page   768
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Mansl on Saturday 20 June 20 20:34 BST (UK)
Yeah 5/11/1883.

So do you think its the same person.

Bartlett and Partlett I mean

Edit
John Partlett married Amy Paxton 1921 Nuneaton.
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: julieproctor61 on Saturday 20 June 20 21:57 BST (UK)
i think this is John Bartlett (transcribed as Barklett) in the 1911 census, still in Stockingford and still a miner.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F18471%2F0177%2F4

Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 June 20 22:17 BST (UK)
i think this is John Bartlett (transcribed as Barklett) in the 1911 census, still in Stockingford and still a miner.

https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F18471%2F0177%2F4

Good find - so this census gives Year born c1879
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: Ladyhawk on Saturday 20 June 20 22:37 BST (UK)
Yeah 5/11/1883.

So do you think its the same person.

Bartlett and Partlett I mean

Edit
John Partlett married Amy Paxton 1921 Nuneaton.

Could be ruled out as the same person if John can be found as Partlett  on 1901/1911 census

added - There are 8 Partlett/Paxton births Nuneaton between 1922 - 1936 (FreeBMD)

EDITED

I did a quick look last night and again I’ve looked this morning and I’m not seeing a
John PARTLETT on 1901/1911 born Moreton Morrell, Warwickshire other than the 1882 Partlett birth entry Stratford on Avon (mn Cherry) and the 1891 census bn c1883 Moreton Morrell living with his widowed father David and sisters Hannah P, Ellen & Louisa Partlett.

Maybe John did change the ‘P’ to a ‘B’ to slightly alter his surname to BARTLETT  ??? on 1901/1911 census
Title: Re: Elsie Maud Ridg(e)way Nuneaton
Post by: julieproctor61 on Tuesday 30 June 20 19:56 BST (UK)
Yeah 5/11/1883.

So do you think its the same person.

Bartlett and Partlett I mean

Edit
John Partlett married Amy Paxton 1921 Nuneaton.

A John Partlett also married an Emma Bayliss in 1914 Nuneaton,  John "Barklett"  was a boarder in 1911 with an Emma Bayliss widow and her sons.  I wonder if he married his landlady if he did it could give you the Bartlett/Partlett connection.