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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Warwickshire => Topic started by: Mansl on Wednesday 03 June 20 11:21 BST (UK)
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I have decided to try and clean up a loose end. I am trying to find Elsie Maud Ridgway born 18/2/1901 Nuneaton.
Her birth registered Ridgeway March qtr 1901 Nuneaton 6d 513. no mmn given.
On her Marriage 9/6/1924 name given as Ridgway father's name given as Arthur Ridgway(dec) platelyer. Living at 15, Whittleford Road, Stockingford.
I am trying to find her with her parents in the census so I can find her mother's name.
I haven't looked at this for a few years years but I had in my notes maybe her RG13/2902 141 8. Parents Albert and Annie. living at Tuttle Hill. I do not have the census image I can look at now. I also found the same family in 1911 living in the same area.
Alan
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You would need to order her birth certificate to be certain of her mothers name especially if no father is listed as she may have "made up" a father when she married if she was illegitimate.
Where have you got her exact date of birth from?
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Thank you. Yes I suppose I can do that, it took a month to get the last two PDF's I sent for and as I was sat here doing nothing thought this would be a good idea to have a search so I suppose your right just ignore my Topic I will do that. Alan
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Mother's Maiden Surname: No maiden name
RIDGEWAY, ELSIE MAUD -
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in NUNEATON Volume 06D Page 513
1901 – 102 Abbey St. Nuneaton
Oliver Everitt 59 Sarah A Everitt 56 David Everitt 29 Charley Everitt 27
Sarah A Ridgway 21 Alice Ridgway 17 Martha Ridgway 14 Elsie Ridgway 1/12
All Ridgeways noted as Step Daur, except Elsie who is Step Grand Daur
Good luck with this one Alan.
Colin
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Thank you Colin. First of all Oliver Everitt married Sarah Ridgway in 1897 Nuneaton. so it looks like Olivers children were from his first marriage and Sarah, Alice and Martha were Sarah's daughters from her first marriage. Maybe Elsie is the daughter of one of those three. But thats a great start with the census and I can rule out the family from Tuttle Hill. Alan
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1901 – 102 Abbey St. Nuneaton
Oliver Everitt 59 Sarah A Everitt 56 David Everitt 29 Charley Everitt 27
Sarah A Ridgway 21 Alice Ridgway 17 Martha Ridgway 14 Elsie Ridgway 1/12
All Ridgeways noted as Step Daur, except Elsie who is Step Grand Daur
1911 census from familysearch
Oliver Everitt Husband Male 73 Chaple Eend Warwickshire
John Crouley Boarder Male 77 Polesworth Warwickshire
Thomas Ison Boarder Male 36 Chaple End Warwickshire
Charles Everitt Son Male 40 Chaple End Warwickshire
Percy Ison Male 10 Nuneaton Warwickshire
Elsey M Ridgway Female 10 Nuneaton Warwickshire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZJ-MWK
- not shown Sarah Everitt Head 67 & George Ridgway son 37
Not sure if you have the marriage details for Oliver & Sarah
Oliver Everitt Age Full Widower
Residence Nuneaton
Occupation Labourer
Marriage date 25 Dec 1897
Denomination Anglican
Place Nuneaton, St Nicholas
Spouse Sarah Ridgway age Full Widow
Spouse's residence Nuneaton
Father's name Joseph Everitt
Father's occupation Labourer
Spouse's father Edwin Howes (maybe Clowes :-\) occ Potter
By licence or by banns Banns
witnesses Thomas Ison & Hannah Kent (x)
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Thank you Ladyhawk. I have logged into family search a short while ago and I can't get it to give me information like that for some reason I used to be able to, I'm just useless, but you have given me the link so thats great. I can get the actual marriage from the records office when it reopens its only 5 mins away. Alan I am so grateful.
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Using that link you gave me I can now use the search and have now found Sarah and her first husband Charles I A in 1891. Along with the three daughters and two sons. ;D ;D
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Do you know who Sarah 's first husband was?
The reason I ask is this 1891 census entry some children's name same as those on 1901 census
1891c 12 Court, Abbey Street, Nuneaton, Warwickshire
Charles J A Ridgway Head Married 1845 Brick Maker Heather, Leicestershire
Sarah Ridgway Wife Married 1849 Newhall, Derbyshire
George Ridgway Son Single 1874 Brickyard Labourer Leicestershire
Sarah A Ridgway Daughter 1880 Scholar Leicestershire
Alice Ridgway Daughter 1884 Scholar Warwickshire
Martha A Ridgway Daughter 1886 Scholar Warwickshire
Frank Ridgway Son 1891 Nuneaton, Warwickshire,
George Powell Boarder 1872 Brickyard Labourer Ansley, Warwickshire
but looking at some of the birth entries on GRO indexes it appears that her maiden name was DRAYCOTT ???
George RIDGWAY mmn DRAYCOTE
1873 S Quarter in ASHBY-DE-LA ZOUCH Volume 07A Page 83
Sarah Ann RIDGWAY mmn DRAYCOTT
1880 M Quarter in ASHBY DE LA ZOUCH Volume 07A Page 83
Alice RIDGWAY mmn DRACKETT
1883 D Quarter in MARKET BOSWORTH Volume 07A Page 73
Martha Ann RIDGWAY mmn DRAYCOTT
1887 J Quarter in MARKET BOSWORTH Volume 07A Page 83
and this appears to be the marriage entry
Dec 1869
Cutler James Smith Ashby Z. 7a 271
DRAYCOTT Sarah Ashby Z 7a 271
Moon Sarah Ashby De La Zouch 7a 271
RIDGWAY Charles Joseph A Ashby Z. 7a 271
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We were posting at the same time :)
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Yeah sorry just noticed your posts, i have been typing all the names into my tree and looking at the same time on family search for other census. I found George in 1881 boarding with a Giles family.
I have to get that birth certificate now because I believe her mother was probably one of those three girls. Alan
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I have to get that birth certificate now because I believe her mother was probably one of those three girls.
Perhaps either Sarah Ann or Alice as Martha was only 14 on 1901 census - please come back and let us know
I wonder if Elsie might be Sarah’s daughter it looks as if Sarah died in 1904 and that could be why
Elsie was living with Sarah & Oliver in 1911
Sarah Ann Ridgway Age 24 (1880) died at The General Hospital
Burial date 09 Jan 1904
Denomination Anglican
Place Nuneaton, St Mary
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I now think I have found Sarah's birth Dec qtr 1847 Mansfield 15 452. mmn Holmes.
The only one that fitted for a death was 1914 aged 67 Nuneaton. So that Edwin Clowes is still a mystery.
Alan
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ok that's really good information thank you. I have ordered it this afternoon.
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I did realise Martha would be only 14 so I thought it could have happened, but that death is better Idea.
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Martha married in 1909 by the look of it to a William. I did look that up earlier wondering if it might have been an Arthur. I do think the Arthur was made up now though because there isn't one dieing between 1900 and 1924.
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Martha married in 1909 by the look of it to a William. I did look that up earlier wondering if it might have been an Arthur. I do think the Arthur was made up now though because there isn't one dieing between 1900 and 1924.
Unfortunately marriage doesn’t appear on F M P site
Martha RIDGWAY
Mar 1909 Nuneaton
married one of these people
William Tudor Morris, William Houghton
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Looks like it was William Morris. There is a death 1926 aged 40.
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Well that is brilliant what you have all found thank you. I just have to wait for the certificate. meanwhile tomorrow I am off to Bucks Hill cemetery to find Elsie Maud and her husband Harold Herbert Mansell gravestone I am told is there somewhere. Alan
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I may have this totally wrong, in which case just ignore my ramblings. i keep coming back to a baptism for an Elsie Maud Rogers and wondering if this could be your Elsie Maud's baptism as the date of birth is the same, the mother is Sarah Anne and the address is almost next door to the Everitt's in 1901, I also can't seem to find a birth for Elsie Maud Rogers. In 1901 there is an unmarried Edward Rogers (hairdresser) living at 32 Midland Road with his mother and siblings. Could he be your Elsie's father, with Sarah Anne Ridgeway the mother?
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=S2%2FGBPRS%2FWARWICKSHIRE%2FPR-NONEXC%2FNUNEATONSTNICHOLAS%2FDR0280-01-00105&parentid=GBPRS%2FWARWICKSHIRE%2FBAP%2F001783656
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Hello Julie. I am intrigued. You may just have something. It is just too much of a coincidence same christian names, same date of birth, living in the same road, same mothers christian names. Just has to be her. The certificate is going to be interesting. Alan
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Hello Julie. I am intrigued. You may just have something. It is just too much of a coincidence same christian names, same date of birth, living in the same road, same mothers christian names. Just has to be her. The certificate is going to be interesting. Alan
Certainly looks a good find.......
For info
Edward marries 1910 Kate Taverner, the have a son Frank William Edward Rogers born Dec qtr 1911
1911 census Edward Rogers Occ hairdresser
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZF-G8X
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I have just this moment worked Edward out. He died 1952 and Kate died 1965. but hadnt worked the children out. :)
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That's brilliant that Ladyhawk what a find at the last minute. Wonder why they never registered her as Rogers. Thanks for the census. Alan
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Here’s the baptism details
Frank William Edward Rogers
Birth date 12 Oct 1911
Baptism date 05 Jul 1912
Denomination Anglican
Place Nuneaton, St Mary
Father Edward Rogers
Mother Kate
Residence 50 Abbey St
Father's occupation Hairdresser
Frank died 1987 - you can search for them on 1939 Register
Census says 1 child born 1 died but I can’t find a birth before Frank ???
Wonder why they never registered her as Rogers.
Probably because they were not married - will be interesting to see who registered the birth
Edit to add - found this
common occurrence was the illegitimate child. It was implied, though not always the case, that the omission of the father’s name from the certificate suggested illegitimacy.
From 1875 the reputed father HAD to be present at the registration to consent to his name being added.
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still waiting for the certificate. Alan
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Well here it is mother Sarah Ann Ridgeway hosiery hand. No father's name given. Born 23, Court, Abbey Street. 18/2/1901 reg. 15/3/1901. Same address as the baptism 17/4/1901. So definitely same person. So well spotted Julie.
Strange she registered her as Ridgway before the baptism and then baptised her Rogers. who's to say who the real father was. Alan
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Another one to consider :)
In the Nuneaton Observer 5/6/1903
"John Bartlett,miner, Stockingford was summoned by Sarah Ann Ridgway, single Nuneaton who sought an order in bastardy. An order was made for 3s per week to be paid until the child was 14 years of age, defendant to pay the costs 18s"
There is also an article 28/8/1903 where he is summoned again for arrears
Julie
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Wow Julie what a surprise. Definitely Sarah. Now was that another child or was that Elsie. Sarah died in 1904 and I wonder what she died of now. Elsie being born in 1901 and 1903 the case. Unless he had stopped paying. I wonder if her death is in the Observer. John Bartlett miner may be in the census somewhere. Alan
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There is an Albert Edward Ridgway birth June qtr 1902 Nuneaton 6d 517. No mmn given. A bit like Elsie Maud no mmn given. Could that be the child.
Alan
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i found these would the original records hold more details?
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FWARWICKSHIRE%2FBASTA%2F005168
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBPRS%2FWARWICKSHIRE%2FBASTA%2F005180
I did look for Sarah's death in the papers but only found the other articles.
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If this Albert Edward Ridgway is Sarah's son and I suppose I will never know unless I buy the certificate which is going to take weeks again to get. First of all when Sarah registered Elsie as Ridgeway and Albert is Ridgway the proper spelling is my only doubts that I might be wasting my money. I have looked for him getting married and even his death but no sign. Alan
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If the Warwick Records Office was open it would be so easy for me i can look at all the Parish records and newspapers. I wonder if there is a baptism for an Albert Edward Ridgway or Bartlett at St Nicholas Church in Nuneaton.
Alan
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Julie thanks, that first one is 28/11/1901 with no father's name on it could probably be for Elsie born 18/2/1901. The second one in 1903 could be for a different child naming John Bartlett as the father. Like you say the originals would probably give more details.
This is just something I was wondering.
On 15/3/1901 Sarah registered Elsie as living at 23, Court, Abbey Street. On 31/3/1901 census date Sarah was with her mother at 102, Abbey Street. Edward Rogers was at 32, Midland Road with his mother. Then on 17th April the baptism they gave the address as 23, Court, Abbey Street.
So if 23, Court, Abbey Street is the same as 102, Abbey Street that would make sense.
Alan
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Soon as that Record Office opens I can look at the originals.
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Just using "Albert Edward", mother's name as "Sarah" and Nuneaton as the location, there is no sign of a baptism at St Nicholas, Nuneaton - 1905 +/- 5 years.
Similarly for Elsie.
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Hi BumbleB :)
I have the image for Elsie, she was baptised as Elsie Rogers on 17/4/1901 at St Nicholas.
I have just been googling and there is a story about Sarah's sister Martha something to do with steeling 5/8/1904 Nuneaton Observer.
Alan
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Oops!
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That John Bartlett was in court a lot according to the Observer
Cruelty to a dog 19/9/1902
Chasing a Hare 22/4/1908
Terniti Case 5/6/1903
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So if 23, Court, Abbey Street is the same as 102, Abbey Street that would make sense.
Alan
Looking at the 1901 images of the census returns there doesn't appear to be a number 23 court
22 court is next door
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Sarah's father was Albert.
I have found a marriage 1928 Hinckley Albert Ridgway to Gladys James age 25 no father given.
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I have just been googling and there is a story about Sarah's sister Martha something to do with steeling 5/8/1904 Nuneaton Observer.
05 August 1904 - Nuneaton Observer
Hinckley Girl in Trouble
Lizzie Colver, hosiery hand, Hinckley, was charged by Martha A Ridgway with stealing a jacket and a pair of boots, value 19s. at Nuneaton on July 27th.
Sarah Everitt, wife of Oliver, Jodrell Street stated the defendant came to live with her as a lodger on 17th July. Witness gave her 1s. 4d. to make some purchases, and defendant went out and never came back.
Martha Ann Ridgway, daughter of previous witness, deponed to missing her jacket and shoes. Defendant pleaded not guilty, but the case was proved and she was sentenced to one months imprisonment.
From your thread on the census Sarah & Martha stepdaughter of Oliver Everitt
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Thank you Ladyhawk.
I have tried to get to those stories off the Observer through FindMyPast but I haven't been able to work out how to do it. I managed to download the 28/8/1903 page but that's all at the minute.
I do think that Albert is another child of Sarah with the father John Bartlett I found him in the 1939 with his wife Gladys although they have got the year wrong but probably the birthday date. I am not surprised he was confused which year he was born. I wouldn't be sure Edward Rogers was the father of Elsie though although his name was on the baptism.
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In one of those court cases for John Bartlett he was living in Whittleford Road that's the same Road Elsie was living in 1924 when she got married. I took a picture of the house last week when I was there.
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Sarah's father was Albert.
I have found a marriage 1928 Hinckley Albert Ridgway to Gladys James age 25 no father given.
Is the witness Violet related to Albert ?
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I haven't heard of a Violet before. In one census her father is Albert and in another its Charles Joseph Albert Ridgway there is also a brother Albert in 1881.
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There is an Albert Edward Ridgway birth June qtr 1902 Nuneaton 6d 517. No mmn given.
A bit like Elsie Maud no mmn given. Could that be the child.
1911 census from familysearch
Oliver Everitt Husband Male 73 Chaple Eend Warwickshire
John Crouley Boarder Male 77 Polesworth Warwickshire
Thomas Ison Boarder Male 36 Chaple End Warwickshire
Charles Everitt Son Male 40 Chaple End Warwickshire
Percy Ison Male 10 Nuneaton Warwickshire
Elsey M Ridgway Female 10 Nuneaton Warwickshire
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWZJ-MWK
- not shown Sarah Everitt Head 67 & George Ridgway son 37
Do you have Albert in 1911 - he's not with Sarah's daughter Elsey
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No I haven't found him in 1911. I haven't found John Bartlett either. I wondered if Albert took his name until he got married. Wondered if like Elsie he was baptised a different name.
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I've resubscribed to FindMyPast hoping I could search the census's but I wish now I had gone to Ancestry because the format is so hard to work out. I am finding it hard to find anything about any of the census's other than the 1939. On Ancestry its far easier.
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No I haven't found him in 1911. I haven't found John Bartlett either.
I wondered if Albert took his name until he got married.
Wondered if like Elsie he was baptised a different name.
Is this John on 1901 census ?
The 1903 Paternity Case for John Bartlett gives his occ Miner, Stockingford
1901c 13, Church Road, Stockingford, Nuneaton
Richard Ashby Head Labourer Stockingford, Warwickshire
Sarah Ashby Wife 1841 Higham on the Hill, Leicestershire
John Ashby Son 1880 Coal Miner Stockingford, Warwickshire
Albert Ashby Son 1882 Coal Miner Stockingford, Warwickshire
Walter Ashby Son. 1884 Coal Miner Stockingford, Warwickshire
John Bartlett Boarder Single. 1883 Coal Miner Moreton Morrell, Warwickshire
RG13 Piece 2901 Folio 109 Page 21
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That is brilliant at least now I know his birth year and born in Moreton Morrell. Should be able to find him in the others now, back on Ancestry as well now.
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I wonder if that's him in 1891 John Parllett in Moreton Morrell
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If you can't find him in 1911 - a possibility maybe, no age given but right name and occupation
John Bartlett
Marital status S
Occupation MINER
Departure 2 6 1909
Departure port Southampton
Destination port New York
Ship name St Louis
I wonder if that's him in 1891 John Parllett in Moreton Morrell
Can you give the reference number please as I'm not finding him
Edit found him - RG12 Piece 2476 Folio 111 Page 8
So is this his birth entry?
PARTLETT, JOHN mmn CHERRY
1882 D Quarter in STRATFORD ON AVON Volume 06D Page 604
Can’t see one c1883 in S o A for a John Bartlett
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Well.
Ellen Cherry married Henry Rose 1872 reg Stratford A.
Ellen Rose widow of Bishops Tachbrook married David Partlett widower from Moreton Morrell in 1879
in 1881 they are in Newbold Pacey about a mile from Moreton Morrell
David and Ellen Partlett
So it looks like John's real name was Partlett not Bartlett as he thought most of his life.
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Well.
Ellen Cherry married Henry Rose 1872 reg Stratford A.
Ellen Rose widow of Bishops Tachbrook married David Partlett widower from Moreton Morrell in 1879
in 1881 they are in Newbold Pacey about a mile from Moreton Morrell
David and Ellen Partlett
So it looks like John's real name was Partlett not Bartlett as he thought most of his life.
Not 1882 birth free search 1939 register possibility John Partlett 1883 Nuneaton M.B., Warwickshire
Edit - death?
John PARTLETT Age 68
Death quarter 4
Death year 1951
District Nuneaton Warwickshire
Volume 9C Page 768
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Yeah 5/11/1883.
So do you think its the same person.
Bartlett and Partlett I mean
Edit
John Partlett married Amy Paxton 1921 Nuneaton.
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i think this is John Bartlett (transcribed as Barklett) in the 1911 census, still in Stockingford and still a miner.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F18471%2F0177%2F4
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i think this is John Bartlett (transcribed as Barklett) in the 1911 census, still in Stockingford and still a miner.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC%2F1911%2FRG14%2F18471%2F0177%2F4
Good find - so this census gives Year born c1879
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Yeah 5/11/1883.
So do you think its the same person.
Bartlett and Partlett I mean
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John Partlett married Amy Paxton 1921 Nuneaton.
Could be ruled out as the same person if John can be found as Partlett on 1901/1911 census
added - There are 8 Partlett/Paxton births Nuneaton between 1922 - 1936 (FreeBMD)
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I did a quick look last night and again I’ve looked this morning and I’m not seeing a
John PARTLETT on 1901/1911 born Moreton Morrell, Warwickshire other than the 1882 Partlett birth entry Stratford on Avon (mn Cherry) and the 1891 census bn c1883 Moreton Morrell living with his widowed father David and sisters Hannah P, Ellen & Louisa Partlett.
Maybe John did change the ‘P’ to a ‘B’ to slightly alter his surname to BARTLETT ??? on 1901/1911 census
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Yeah 5/11/1883.
So do you think its the same person.
Bartlett and Partlett I mean
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John Partlett married Amy Paxton 1921 Nuneaton.
A John Partlett also married an Emma Bayliss in 1914 Nuneaton, John "Barklett" was a boarder in 1911 with an Emma Bayliss widow and her sons. I wonder if he married his landlady if he did it could give you the Bartlett/Partlett connection.