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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Gollach on Sunday 07 June 20 21:00 BST (UK)
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Hi, just wondering if anyone can shed light on this for me. My relation's death certificate had "Glencairn", Rutherglen as the place of death, and the informant of death was "Matron". Many thanks in advance.
Gollach.
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Hi Gollach , welcome to RC :)
Lanarkshire Scotland ?
When did this happen ?
If you can give further information I'll move this to the Lanarkshire Board :-\
ev
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Welcome to Rootschat Golloch, Rutherglen Glencairn is a football team & social club! ;D Is that a Caithness connection?
Skoosh.
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Hi and Welcome from me too :)
As well as the football connection and a pub, there is a road named Glencairn Drive in Rutherglen .
Also, looking at the 1940 valuation rolls for Rutherglen, there is a house called Glencairn, owned by the Salvation Army. Could that be it?
When did your aunt die?
Gadget
Add - it was at 1 Low(er) Bourtree Drive
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This is 1 Lower Bowertree Drive on Google.
It looks as if it might have been rebuilt.
https://goo.gl/maps/LjgSPQpoF2d1c9qp7
add- and on an old OS map
https://maps.nls.uk/view/82892310#zoom=6&lat=3228&lon=6431&layers=BT
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@Gadget, the stumps of the iron railings showing on the dyke where they were cut off for the war effort. High Burnside I see & the bourtree is the elder bush. Salvation Army sounds likely?
Skoosh.
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I didn't know that about bourtree=elder, Skoosh, and we planted a good few in our shelter belt. Is it a Highland name?
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Just found this:
https://www.dsl.ac.uk/entry/snd/bourtree
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I didn't know that about bourtree=elder, Skoosh, and we planted a good few in our shelter belt. Is it a Highland name?
I don't think it's restricted to the Highlands there's a Bourtree Hill in Irvine.
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I meant it the other way, Pharma. I hadn't heard it used in the Highlands, where I once lived, as Skoosh knows :D
PS - Glencairn is also in Dumfriesshire. i was told, by the parish clerk, that one of my dead end lines were from there.
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The elderberries make a good Port substitute! ;D
Skoosh.
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The birds used to eat the berries, Skoosh ;D
Gollach ~
I've tried to find out about the SA in Rutherglen but can't find much about them at Glencairn,1 Lower Bourtree Drive, which was registered to them in 1940. It might be worth contacting them at their main address to see if they can help you :
https://rutherglen.cylex-uk.co.uk/company/the-salvation-army-rutherglen-17133605.html
Gadget
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Hi and Welcome from me too :)
As well as the football connection and a pub, there is a road named Glencairn Drive in Rutherglen .
Also, looking at the 1940 valuation rolls for Rutherglen, there is a house called Glencairn, owned by the Salvation Army. Could that be it?
When did your aunt die?
Gadget
Add - it was at 1 Low(er) Bourtree Drive
[Hi everyone, many thanks for welcome and replies. My relation died in 1960. She was a widow, living alone, strongly suspect no family. Very helpful replies, and yes it's a Caithness connection. Just at the end of my tree (last person) out of 8!
Regards to all
Gollach /quote]
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Hi all, many thanks indeed for all your replies. Relation died in 1960, widow, strongly suspect no family. At first I thought it was at her house, then in the column for "Informant" it said "Matron" so was a little puzzled by this.
Kind regards to all
Gollach
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Hi Gollach , welcome to RC :)
Lanarkshire Scotland ?
When did this happen ?
If you can give further information I'll move this to the Lanarkshire Board :-\
ev
Hi there, yes Lanarkshire Scotland. She died in 1960 in the district of Rutherglen, Lanark. A widow, and strongly suspect no family, hence the informant perhaps being "Matron".
Kind regards
Gollach
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According to the Oxford English Dictionary
Bourtree: the Elder-tree ( Sambucus nigra). attributive, as in bourtree-berry, bourtree-bush; bourtree-gun a popgun made of the wood of the Elder, after the pith has been removed.
Now only Scottish and northern dialect.
Etymology: Of uncertain phonetic form, and unknown origin. The plausible derivation < bore is inconsistent with the earliest and with the dialect forms; derivation < bower, Scots bour, boor (in sense of ‘arbour’) answers phonetically, but is unlikely with regard to meaning. Compare bountree n.
Bountree: Common name in Scotland of the Elder-tree. Also attributive, as in bountree gun.
Etymology: ? A variant of bourtree; or a distinct word = bound-tree , < bound from being planted to mark boundaries.
So it does not appear to be of Gaelic origin.
There are several places called Bourtree or Bourtreebush or similar, all in the Lowlands, and Bourtree occurs in 17 of the volumes of OS Name Books. Other spellings are available.
These are some of them.
https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO9096
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO7665
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NO4756
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS4128
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS3439
http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NS2155
but I have not come across Bountree or Bowntree before.
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I've a liking for the second description in my definitions given in Reply #8
Sc. 1808 Jam.:
Bourtree, Boretree, Bountree. . . . This shrub was supposed to possess great virtue in warding off the force of charms and witchcraft. Hence it was customary to plant it round country-houses and barnyards.
:)
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Sambuca, originally distilled from elder can put a wee jag in your coffee. Caffé Corretto. ;D
Skoosh.
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I've got the rather fine black lace version in my garden:
(https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=769446.0;attach=458504;image)
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The birds used to eat the berries, Skoosh ;D
Gollach ~
I've tried to find out about the SA in Rutherglen but can't find much about them at Glencairn,1 Lower Bourtree Drive, which was registered to them in 1940. It might be worth contacting them at their main address to see if they can help you :
https://rutherglen.cylex-uk.co.uk/company/the-salvation-army-rutherglen-17133605.html
Gadget
Many thanks Gadget, I will follow this up.
Regards
Gollach
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I remember in the late 1960's my father taking his aunt to the Salvation Army Home in Rutherglen. She was impressed with the house but on leaving, saying to my father " you need not think I am going to live there"
Not really relevant to this discussion but just a funny story. The house was lovely, well equipped and good staff.
Morag
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I remember in the late 1960's my father taking his aunt to the Salvation Army Home in Rutherglen. She was impressed with the house but on leaving, saying to my father " you need not think I am going to live there"
Not really relevant to this discussion but just a funny story. The house was lovely, well equipped and good staff.
Morag
Thank you Morag. I've come to the conclusion that it must have been a Home; initially it was because of what was on the death certificate that made me stop and think, when I saw "Matron" as the informant of death. I thought Glencairn was the name of my relation's house but I guess it was the name of the Home. It's great that members are piecing it all together for me. Great site this.
Cheers now
Gollach.
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Article dated November 1975
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There, final proof
:D
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There, final proof
:D
This is amazing Gadget, thank you SO much, the last piece of my puzzle … now complete.
Can I thank you and everyone for all your diligent detective work. Very much appreciated.
;D, very kind regards
Gollach