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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211646846/william-thompson
I am trying to contribute to our local history by taking photos of graves at two local cemeteries. The image above was taken at Preston Cemetery North Shields. If you click on the image and click on 'View Original' the image might show up a little clearer. This grave is with others standing along the wall by the path way running along the right side of sections E and F. I suspect these graves are the ones cleared from Old Tynemouth Cemetery.
I have added this one that I have with inscriptions for William Thompson, his wife Isabella and daughter Isabella S. Thompson.
As you will see the grave has become ravaged with time but I have tried to make out the inscription to the best of my ability and have added this.
'OF YOUR
CHARITY PRAY
FOR THE SOUL OF
WILLIAM THOMPSON
MERCHANT OF NEWCASTLE ON TYNE
WHO DIED MAY (5TH?) 1848
AGED 60 YEARS
ALSO FOR
ISABELLA THOMPSON
HIS WIFE
... (AUG 27?) ...
ISABELLA S THOMPSON
THEIR DAUGHTER
WHO DIED ...'
It will likely be a while before the library reopens and I can check out this burial for more clues. So I was wondering if anyone might know anything more about this family that I might be able to add?
I have noticed found from a GRO search that a William Thompson died in the Newcastle area in the June quarter of 1848 age 60.
If no one can help or knows anything I will just have to wait until the library reopens to check things out further. Thanks in advance of any help.
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There is a Baptism record for a Isabella Sarah Thompson born 23rd August 1818
Baptism All Saints, Newcastle uponTyne
Father William Thompson
Mother Isabella mellis
It may be a possibility..
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/20578744?h=e550a3
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1841?? Living at All Saints Newcastle Father and sons born in County
William Thompson 50 Merchant
Isabella Thompson 45 b Scotland
Ann Hartford 20 FS
Jane Richardson 20 FS
William Thompson 25 Merchant
Charles Thompson 15
Alfred Thompson 10
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With ref to Kay99
Alfred Thompson baptism
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/20578847?h=74d04a
Alfred Strachan Thompson
Born 4 April 1830
Father: William Thompson
Mother: Isabella Nellie's, may be the same as Isabella I previously posted but transcribed different
Not sure if these are correct but may be worth checking out.
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Marriage;
8 Jun 1812, St Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire
William THOMSON to Isabella MELLIS
(Familysearch.Org)
Trish :)
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I cant find Isabellas Birth but this looks to be her Brother;
PETER Mellis christened 6 Nov 1785 St Nicolas
Parents;
Peter Mellis
Elizabeth Strachan*
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WILLIAM THOMPSON
MERCHANT OF NEWCASTLE ON TYNE
WHO DIED MAY (5TH?) 1848
9th May, according to the Newcastle Courant of 12th May 1848
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I cant find Isabellas Birth but this looks to be her Brother;
PETER Mellis christened 6 Nov 1785 St Nicolas
Parents;
Peter Mellis
Elizabeth Strachan*
This would tie in with Albert's middle Name
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There is a WILLIAM Bapt 1 Nov 1789 Newcastle upon Tyne to WILLIAM/ANN, Father a Hairdresser that may be a possible.
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Baptism of son William Joseph Thompson
Newcastle upon Tyne Mmn Mellis
Born 27th May 1813
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/sharing/20579065?h=d3b13d
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Lisa the links you are giving don't give any information other than that you have 'discovered' them :-\
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Lisa the links you are giving don't give any information other than that you have 'discovered' them :-\
Ah never.. :-[
I will see if I can find better ones and update them.
Thanks for pointing it out.
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Any link to Ancestry is only accessible to people who have a subscription.
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Isabella Sarah baptism https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3JJ-96P
and :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NDVB-9JL
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Family search have the follow as a family.
All Baptisms in Newcastle Upon Tyne with the following parents, some of them also mention grandfather Peter Mellis.
William Thompson 1787
Isabella Mellis 1791
William Joseph Thompson 1813
Elizabeth Louisa Thompson 1815
Peter John Thompson 1817
Isabella Sarah Thompson 1818
Ann Esther Thompson 1820
Henrietta cecilia Thompson 1823
Stephen Octivous Thompson 1824
Monica Lavina Thompson 1828
Frederick Augustus Thompson 1826
Alfred Strachan Thompson 1830
Would need to check each NE out to confirm if they are relevant.
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I cant find Isabellas Birth but this looks to be her Brother;
PETER Mellis christened 6 Nov 1785 St Nicolas
Parents;
Peter Mellis
Elizabeth Strachan*
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/147506003
Peter Mellis
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Family search have the follow as a family.
All Baptisms in Newcastle Upon Tyne with the following parents, some of them also mention grandfather Peter Mellis.
William Thompson 1787
Isabella Mellis 1791
William Joseph Thompson 1813
Elizabeth Louisa Thompson 1815
Peter John Thompson 1817
Isabella Sarah Thompson 1818
Ann Esther Thompson 1820
Henrietta cecilia Thompson 1823
Stephen Octivous Thompson 1824
Monica Lavina Thompson 1828
Frederick Augustus Thompson 1826
Alfred Strachan Thompson 1830
Would need to check each NE out to confirm if they are relevant.
According to Family Search some of these baptisms were at All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne.
However I've searched without success for some of them in the Bishop's Transcripts, moreover the BT's for All Saints for those date don't show the mother's maiden surname or her father's name.
I suspect an F.S. indexing mix-up. Given that Isabella was from Scotland its more likely that they were baptised at a dissenter's church. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3JJ-96P
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Marriage;
8 Jun 1812, St Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeenshire
William THOMSON to Isabella MELLIS
(Familysearch.Org)
Caledonian Mercury
13 Jun 1812
Marriages
At Aberdeen, on the 8th current, Mr William Thompson, of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, merchant, to Isabella, daughter of the late Peter Mellis, Esq. of Aberdeen.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=reFHAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA565&lpg=PA565
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=CBUbAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA565&lpg=PA565
EDIT: Added links to Google books
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Curiosity got the better of me and I used a Durham Records Online credit to get Isabella Sarah's 1818 baptism, as I couldn't find it in the BT's.
It appears that the family were Roman Catholic which accounts for the wording of the first couple of lines on the gravestone.
25 Aug 1818 Isabella Sarah Thompson, born 23 Aug 1818, 2nd daughter of William Thompson (merchant, native of Newcastle-upon-Tyne) by his wife Isabella (daughter of Peter Mellis, merchant of Aberdeen), baptized by James Worswick, Romish priest
The record is in fact from a 'Dissenter's list' in the All Saints records. None of them were actually baptised there, despite what Family Search would have you believe.
Further investigation reveals that James Worswick was the priest at St Andrew's Catholic Church in Newcastle.
And here is the baptism at St Andrew's again from Family Search :-X https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJCK-XZ6
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Going back to the gravestone and the date of Isabella Sarah's death.
Given that she had a brother called Stephen Octavius Thompson, this must be her death, in North Shields in 1874 (2nd q 1874, Tynemouth 10b 118, aged 55), which will make her burial much easier to find.
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Any link to Ancestry is only accessible to people who have a subscription.
Ah right, I will use family Search for links ;)
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William Thompson was buried in Jesmond Old Cemetery on 12th May 1848
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-ZQV5?i=505&cat=828520
(Section 4F, extreme r-h column)
On 3rd August 1971 his body, along with several others, was exhumed and re-interred in Plot F2/4 of the same cemetery
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-CSWN-4?i=843&cat=828520
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Marriage notice in Newcastle Courant 12 June 1840 at the " Catholic Chapel on the 8th inst by the Rev James Worswick, B.G Tyzack, Esq., solicitor to Elizabeth Louisa eldest daughter of William Thompson Esq., merchant".
1851 census has Isabella Thompson in the home of the Tyzacks in Bridgwater Somerset showing as mother in law age 59 and born Aberdeen. 1861 has her in Tynemouth with now widowed daughter Elizabeth Tyzack. She is listed as blind. She is not with Elizabeth in 1871 and so will look for death between 1861 and 1871.
William
Added : One possible death for Isabella Thompson in Tynemouth RD Apr- Jun 1870 age 78.
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Added : One possible death for Isabella Thompson in Tynemouth RD Apr- Jun 1870 age 78.
William the only problem with that one is that the memorial stone seems to have the month of August in relation to Isabella senior’s death :-\
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I think I have now found Isabella in the 1871 census living in Jarrow - again she is showing as blind. The entry states grandmother but not clear as to who she is grandmother of!
William
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Whoa! What an incredible amount of info has come forth since I first posted this morning! Thank you all so much - this is way beyond what I dared hoped for! Also many thanks for using a credit Jen to figure out the puzzle to the baptisms.
I have looked again at the image closely in light of what information has come forth and although not 100% about this I think I can now make sense of a few more words of the inscription. I think it might read ..
..'ISABELLA THOMPSON
HIS WIFE WHO DIED AT ABERDEEN
AUG 27 ..'
I don't know what any one else might think .. is the part about Aberdeen there or am I imagining it? Might she have gone back to Aberdeen after Jarrow where you, Millmoor have discovered her, I wonder? When I next get time to get to that cemetery I am going to have another close look at the inscription.
I am on nightshift coming up tonight but I do hope to collate all this info and add this to their biographies by tomorrow evening. As soon as it is safe for the library to reopen I will certainly chase up the burials (although wife Isabella) may have been buried in Aberdeen perhaps? With the 'will' info you found Jen I think this will certainly make it easier to find a burial. Likely Old Tynemouth Cemetery or Preston Cemetery I suspect. If burials were at Tynemouth the cause of death may also be included in the entry.
I will also check out the A-Z files for more info at the local studies when this reopens.
I will post anything I find on here and on Find A Grave.
Who would have thought so much would have been found and so quickly from one very old and ravaged inscription. Great detective work everyone! I really appreciate everyone who has contributed with help. When I do get this all on the site as a 'biography' I am sure this will all be very helpful to the all their Thompson descendants who might view this on Find A Grave.
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Further investigation reveals that James Worswick was the priest at St Andrew's Catholic Church in Newcastle.
and he was the priest who, in 1798, founded the first RC church in Newcastle since the Reformation.
Worswick St., where St Andrew's is was named for him.
and I used to catch the bus home from school at Worswick St bus station (long gone now) in the 1960s.
Boo
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Looking at Henrietta Cecilia Thompson
It looks like she never married.
In 1881 she is showing as a teacher at St Mary's day school in hexham.
Born 1823 Newcastle
Died 22nd May 1894 St Mary's, Hexham
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Well, every day is a school day .. I had no idea that Street was named after the priest! Thanks Boo, that has added to my local history knowledge today. :)
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There's another newspaper reference to William's death but doesn't include any more details. The wording in the related death notice in Dolman's Magazine matches the MI though.
Newcastle Courant
23 Jun 1848
Literary Notices
Dulman's Magazine - (Dolman, New Bond Street, London)) - contains a beautiful written piece, entitled the "Spirit of Christian Art," and various other articles calculated to subserve the interests of Roman Catholicism. In the obituary appears the following; - "Of your charity pray for the soul of Mr William Thompson, who departed this life, at his house, No. 19, Trafalgar street, Newcastle upon Tyne."
Dolman's Magazine - June 1848
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=k9YEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA325&lpg=PA325
Dolman's Magazine - June 1848 - Deaths
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=k9YEAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA388&lpg=PA388
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Thank you so much Lisa and cuffie for these additional finds. It is incredible how much is being discovered - I will have such a lot to add to their biographies from what has been found out today. Much appreciated!
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It looks like Ann Esther and Henrietta Cecilia were both nuns firstly in Sunderland (where FindMyPast has delightfully transcribed nunnery as nursery) and then in Hexham. I noticed that in the relationship column in the Hexham Convent the term sister is being used in an interesting way:
1871 Battle Hill Nunnery
Ann Thompson Head
Henrietta Thompson Sister
Jane Guest Sister
Frances Grady Sister.
(I suppose Henrietta is recorded as Sister in 2 different senses!).
William
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Henrietta was buried in St Mary's churchyard, Hexham (about 5 minutes from where I live) on 24th May 1894, abode 'Convent of Hexham'.
I have looked again at the image closely in light of what information has come forth and although not 100% about this I think I can now make sense of a few more words of the inscription. I think it might read ..
..'ISABELLA THOMPSON
HIS WIFE WHO DIED AT ABERDEEN
AUG 27 ..'
I don't know what any one else might think .. is the part about Aberdeen there or am I imagining it? Might she have gone back to Aberdeen after Jarrow where you, Millmoor have discovered her, I wonder? When I next get time to get to that cemetery I am going to have another close look at the inscription.
You are quite right about Aberdeen and the date!
Isabella senior died aged 81 on 27th August 1873 at Nazareth House, Cuparston, Aberdeen.
She is described as the widow of John Thompson, merchant in Shields, her parents Peter Mellis (deceased) and Elizabeth Mellis, maiden surname Strichen (deceased).
Despite her husband's name being wrong, this has to be the correct person I think.
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Marriage notice in Newcastle Courant 12 June 1840 at the " Catholic Chapel on the 8th inst by the Rev James Worswick, B.G Tyzack, Esq., solicitor to Elizabeth Louisa eldest daughter of William Thompson Esq., merchant".
B.G Tyzacks = Benjamin George Tyzack
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Henrietta was buried in St Mary's churchyard, Hexham (about 5 minutes from where I live) on 24th May 1894, abode 'Convent of Hexham'.
As was Ann Esther on 4th September 1893.
There is a gravestone to two Thompson (religious) sisters in St Mary's burial ground. It is apparently very eroded. When I am released from the high-security unit I'm currently confined in :-X I will go and inspect it.
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Some info on the Covent in Hexham.
Some of the sisters of mercy came from Sunderland. Which fits in with Ann Thompson.
https://www.stmaryshexham.org.uk/parish-history/
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Of the remaining children identified by Jen B it would appear that:
Monica died in infancy - burial Newcastle St Ann 18 May 1829.
Frederick Augustus died at sea - death notice in Newcastle Guardian 16 Jan 1847 " at sea lately aged 20 on his passage from America to England on board the ship "Xenophon," of Shields, fifth son of Mr William Thompson of Trafalgar Street , in this town". ( note he is the 4th son on Jen Bs list).
Alfred Strachan -death in Bridgwater Oct -Dec 1850 age 20.
Stephen Octavius - seems to have swapped forenames round. Was a ship broker. Death Camberwell Jul-Sep 1891 .
Have not found what happened to William Joseph or Peter John.
William
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Stephen Octavius - seems to have swapped forenames round. Was a ship broker. Death Camberwell Jul-Sep 1891 .
London Daily News
23 Sep 1891
Deaths
Thompson - 19th Sept., at 14, The Parade, Lordship-lane, Octavius[?] Stephen Thompson, aged 66. Friends will please accept this intimation.
Find A Grave: Octavius Stephen Thompson
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/45256712
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I have William J Thompson with a possible wife and family
Maria G Thompson wife
Marie - born unlocated yet
Charles - born in Paris 1857
Alfred - born in france 1859
Susan - born North Shields 1863?
Teresa - North Shields 1863?
Marguerite - born Essex 1871
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Just in case you haven't seen this, it appears to be the will of Isabella's father, Peter. Although residing in Westminster it states he's of Aberdeen, and names various family members including sister Margaret and daughters Ann and Isabella.
It's available on Anc. and TNA (for free while TNA is shut).
The National Archives
Will of Peter Mellis, Gentleman of Saint James Westminster, Middlesex
Date: 27 January 1806
Ref: PROB 11/1437/193
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D613602
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In 1891 Ann Esther and Henrietta are in Sunderland.
RG 12/4126/56/11, at St Bede's Convent of Mercy.
Thanks to RTL for giving us an interesting subject to get our teeth into :)
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Quite agree with JenB. This has been a most interesting search and in that regard I have been looking at Nazareth House in Aberdeen where Isabella died. The Press and Journal in Dec 1874 describes it as an "institution for Aged and Infirm Poor at Cuparstone". Later in that decade it appears to have become an industrial school for RC girls.
William
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Thanks for this Jen. I have since made a start with adding all the info to their 'biographies' on Find A Grave. Quite a lot on there now all thanks to you all and still more to add.
I am glad that these Thompsons will have their story living on despite the inscription having partly become ravaged over time. This will really help any of their descendants who might come along.
I think these graves might be from old Tynemouth cemetery. I can't verify this just yet as the office at the cemetery is still closed and the libraries and archives too.
I think these graves might have been chosen to keep because they may have been ones in a better condition at the time. Most along the back wall actually are in quite good condition despite the passing of time. I hope to get photos of most of them up on the site eventually. One or two I won't be able to take photos of though - too unreadable or behind too much foliage to access. One inscribed person appears to have been an Edinburgh doctor and several seem to have been from over river - South Shields and Jarrow.
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Quite agree with JenB. This has been a most interesting search and in that regard I have been looking at Nazareth House in Aberdeen where Isabella died. The Press and Journal in Dec 1874 describes it as an "institution for Aged and Infirm Poor at Cuparstone". Later in that decade it appears to have become an industrial school for RC girls.
Sadly as a girls home run by nuns it achieved notoriety for all manner of abuse, continuing into the 1980's and was the subject of an enquiry a couple of years ago which makes horrifying reading.
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Thank you too Millmoor I have just seen your post after mine. I almost wish these were my ancestors ;) so much fascinating info has come forth.
I am amazed that so much has arisen regarding their story from one little memorial which from its position looks threatened by ivy. Once the library reopens I should be able to find out more such as whether both Isabellas might have been buried in the grave or only one. Cause of death was often given too in the Tynemouth Cemetery entries.
Taking photos for Find A Grave can be most fascinating. Some of these very old graves are very well documented around the cemetery and have stories to tell. I have lost count of the tragic stories of drownings and accidents for instance. This is true of some of the war graves. A lot of people wouldn't know this but one man in a war grave there tried to murder his wife but she escaped and then he slit his own throat. Perhaps war had become all too much for him and he might have had a break down. There are two 'Titanic' graves there too. One has an inscription for a son of the family who perished. Another grave is a survivor and apparently there are plans afoot to fund raise to get him a memorial. There is also a recently added memorial for a former slave who escaped from America and who was helped in building a new life by a prominent North Shields Quaker family. Oh these old cemeteries have so many fascinating stories to tell.
I would recommend taking photos for Find A Grave to anyone. It is very rewarding. Plus all the walking around keeps you fit without being barely aware of getting so much exercise. ;)
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That is so sad Jen - I hadn't known that. It is a shame that some of these institutions have undermined the good work that is and has been carried out through the Church.
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I have William J Thompson with a possible wife and family
Maria G Thompson wife
Marie - born unlocated yet
Charles - born in Paris 1857
Alfred - born in france 1859
Susan - born North Shields 1863?
Teresa - North Shields 1863?
Marguerite - born Essex 1871
William Joseph is an interesting one. I have a feeling there's plenty more to find on him but he and wife Mary Georgina Haliday are a bit elusive.
(Sorry for the big info dump River Tyne Lass)
GRO references:
1856 Q1 Birth: Ignatius Constantin William Joseph Thompson (mmn: Haliday); Tynemouth; 10B; 139
1870 Q3 Birth: Marie Marguerite Josephine Carmen Thompson (mmn: Haliday); Tendring; 04A; 265
1871 Census: Preston, Tynemouth, Northumberland
William J Thompson, age 57, Russian V Consul
Marie G Thompson, age 37
+ children
+ visitor Louisa Haliday, age 22, born Ireland
Ref RG10; Piece 5115; Folio 96; Page 21
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5BX-GP7
1881 Census: Ramsgate, Thanet, Kent
William & Mary + children
Ref RG11; Piece 989; Folio 43; Page 6
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27W-KLK7
Wakefield and West Riding Herald
07 Apr 1854
English Patents
William Joseph Thompson, of North Shields, Russian vice-consul, for improvements in heating reverberatory and other furnaces, a communication, dated October 3rd, 1853.
Morning Post
22 Nov 1854
Sympathy For Russia
- General meeting of subscribers of Newcastle Exchange Subscription Rooms
- Held Monday
- Meeting to take into consideration conduct of Mr William Joseph Thompson
- regarding his pro-Russian views
- and to decide on his expulsion
- Thompson a member of the rooms
- 150-200 gentlemen were present
- Chairman, Mr Alderman Pollock, dilated opinions of Thompson
- Mr Harrison addressed subscribers and moved a resolution to expel Thompson
- Mr Bownes seconded proposition, stating Thompson always expressed pro-Russian opinions
- Stated that Russian successes were source of joy to Thompson
- Thompson had scored and altered newspapers and hung them near telegraphic news
- Mr Thompson attended and protested against proceedings
- Motion to expel Thompson carried unanimously
- Thompson's name struck out of list of members, amidst cheers of the meeting
Cork Examiner
29 May 1854
Marriages
May 25, by the Very Rev. Dean Meyler, Wm. Joseph Thompson, Eqs., of Newcastle-on-Tyne, to Mary Georgina, eldest daughter of Henry Haliday, Esq., MD.
Newcastle Courant
02 Jun 1854
Marriages
At Dublin, at St Andrew's Church, Westland-row, on the 24th ult., William Joseph Thompson, Esq., merchant, of North Shields, to Maria Georgina, eldest daughter of Henry Haleday, Esq., MD, of Dublin.
The Tablet
22 Dec 1855
Births
At Tynemouth, on 18th inst., the wife of William Joseph Thompson, Esq., of a son
Falkirk Herald
10 Apr 1856
An Anglo-Russian Martyr
Our readers (says Newcastle Chronicle) can hardly have forgotten the ignominious expulsion or MR W J Thompson from the Exchange News-Room of this town for indecent expressions of sympathy for Russia. The "persecutions" of Mr Thompson have, we understand, formed a frequent subject of remark in St Petersburg journals, and doubtless no opportunity has been lost of exhibiting his "martyrdom" before the Russia authorities. Among the devices used for that end, we learn from a correspondent in St Petersburg, has been the extensive circulation of a printed document posted in Newcastle, and which, after recounting the "incessant insults" passed upon Mr Thompson, winds up with the following important piece of intelligence, which we give verbatim: - "The eldest born son of Mr William Joseph Thompson, born 6th (18th) December, 1855, the feast-day of the greatest monarch ever possessed by Europe, of memory sacred and imperishable, the late Nicholas, Emperor of all the Russians, was baptized the 8th (20th) of the same month Constantine, testifying the constancy of his views, which are fully participated in by his wife," &c. Mr Thompson was the Russian vice-consul at Shields previous to the war.
Newcastle Journal
29 Nov 1856
Local & General Intelligence
- Mr Ralph Turnbull, of North Shields
- appointed to transact business at Russian Consulate at Shields
- as Deputy Vice Consul to
- William Joseph Thompson, Esq. Russian Vice-Consul at that port
Maidstone Journal and Kentish Advertiser
02 Jul 1861
- Insolvent debtor
- To be heard at Court House, Portugal-street, Lincoln's Inn fields, Middlesex
- on Twelfth day of July, 1861
- William Joseph Thompson, general merchant
- formerly of 19 Trafalgar street, Newcastle-upon-Tyne
- office at 8 Quay-side, Newcastle-upon-Tyne
- office at Parliament-street, Hull, Yorkshire
- numerous other addresses listed, including at:
- North Shields, Northumberland
- Lower Norwood, Surrey
- London
- Gravesend, Kent
- Paris, France
- Islington, Middlesex
London Gazette: Issue 22524, Page 2733
28 June 1861
[as above]
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/22524/page/2733
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William Joseph Thompson continued...
Newcastle Journal
26 Jan 1872
Town Talk
- Report of William Joseph Thompson
- Russian Vice Consul at North Shields
- has tried to require vessels lying at Shields to report at Shields
- current agreement is that vessels may report to any of the 3 ports,
- North and South Shields and Newcastle,
- whichever is most convenient for masters
- described as attempt to "filch away trade" from Newcastle
- to the benefit of Mr Thompson, being the Russian Vice-Consul at North Shields
Shields Daily Gazette
05 Feb 1874
Suppression Of The Russian Vice Consulate At Shields
The Journal de St Petersburg, the official organ of the Russian Government, contains the announcement that Mr William Joseph Thompson, the Russian Vice-Consul at Shields, has been relieved of his functions by reason of the suppression of the Vice-Consulate at that port.
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One more death announcement for William (sen) which gives ever so slightly more info.
Newcastle Journal
13 May 1848
Deaths
In this town, at his house, 19, Trafalgar Street, on the 9th inst. Mr William Thompson, upwards of forty years one of the most respected merchants of this town.
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I have William J Thompson with a possible wife and family
Maria G Thompson wife
Marie - born unlocated yet
Charles - born in Paris 1857
Alfred - born in france 1859
Susan - born North Shields 1863?
Teresa - North Shields 1863?
Marguerite - born Essex 1871
William Joseph is an interesting one.
How fascinating!
RTL, abandon all other family history questions and just focus on the Thompson family. There will probably be enough of interest to write a book :D
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This looks like William Joseph and wife Mary Georgina.
Irish death references:
1894 Q1 William Joseph Thompson; age 80 (born c1814); Rathdown; 2; 835
1895 Q1 Mary Thompson; age 65 (born c1830); Dublin North; 2; 407
Dublin Evening Telegraph
27 Dec 1893
Deaths
Thompson - Dec 22, 1893, at Millview terrace, Bray, William Joseph Thompson, aged 81 years RIP
Dublin Evening Telegraph
22 Feb 1895
Death
Thompson - Feb 21, 1895. Mary, relict of the late William Joseph Thompson, aged 65 years, and daughter of the late Dr Haliday.
Admin with will:
Mary Thompson
died 21 Feb 1895
at Saint Vincent's Asylum Fairview County Dublin
granted to Marguerite Thompson spinster
and Teresa Wiley (wife of Albert P Wiley)
both of The Lawn Bray the Universal Legatees
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639269487
Also:
Letters of admin:
Anna Haliday
died 22 Jun 1891
late of 25 Rue Deufert Rockerean Paris France
spinster
granted to Mary Thompson of Millview-terrace Bray County Wicklow,
(wife of William Joseph Thompson), the sister
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/details.jsp?id=1639494874
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Wow! Cuffie, thank you so much for finding all this! No apologies re big info dumps - you have found some great stuff to add to the story! :D The plot thickens it seems! I had no idea there was ever a Russian Vice Consul at Shields. I did feel sorry for poor William J when I read about how he was booted out and I thought it was a bit mean of them to be so gleeful about it with the cheering. It seems there is so much more to this Thompson story than I had expected. I have just got in from nightshift now and will have to get some sleep but in a couple of days I do intend to add all the info you and others have found to the biographies write up I have started on Find A Grave. Or perhaps I should say the Thompson novel - so much is coming to light. :) Thank you again Cuffie for all the work you have done on this, it certainly is appreciated.
I can't wait now to get back to the library in Shields to find out if there might be more on this William J in the A-Z files. (This is a great resource as these hold loads of interesting items on local ancestors.) I will also speak to the staff in local studies as they might have something or know more about him and the rest of the family.
I think you are right Jen, I sense there could well be enough out there on this lot to fill a book! I am also looking forward to you escaping soon from that high security institution you are in so that you can check out the two nun sisters grave stones. I will send you a cake with a file and chisel in if that might help. ;)
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Isabella senior died aged 81 on 27th August 1873 at Nazareth House, Cuparston, Aberdeen.
She is described as the widow of John Thompson, merchant in Shields, her parents Peter Mellis (deceased) and Elizabeth Mellis, maiden surname Strichen (deceased).
Just to complete the information about Isabella, she was buried in section E of St Nicholas Churchyard, Aberdeen, on 30th August 1873. She is simply described as Mrs Thompson aged 81 of Nazareth House.
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Thanks for discovering this Jen. So it would seem that of the three on the memorial only Isabella Sarah must have been buried in the actual grave at North Shields.
It will be easy for me to check this out once the North Shields library reopens. Names of those who had Old Tynemouth memorials are kept on file and full burial entries for Old Tynemouth are on microfilm.
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To add to your book about the Thompsons, RTL, Peter Mellis's will makes interesting reading. Not only does he refer to his estate in the Parish of St George on the Island of Grenada but it would appear that Isabella was a wealthy young woman when she married . Although I always struggle to read secretarial script it seems she was left several hundred pounds ( maybe twelve hundred?) and a house on the south side of Queen Street in Aberdeen.
William
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Thanks for this Millmoor. I can see I am certainly going to busy on my next day off adding all this info to their 'book' ;) on Find A Grave. So Isabella started off in a very wealthy background and sadly ended her days blind and in an institution for the aged and infirm poor. Although, perhaps she might have been a paying guest there, I suppose.
I am glad to read I am not the only one who struggles to make out that kind of script. Not that it is relevant to this thread but I have downloaded wills of my 3 x Great Grandparents William Senior of Southall and wife Isabella Senior of Camberwell and a much of it seems like a foreign language!
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I think you are right Jen, I sense there could well be enough out there on this lot to fill a book!
and, as a person who took to ebooks like a duck to water, I'd like to request that you produce it as a Kindle edition:-)
I'll keep an eye out to pre-order it :-)
Boo
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William Thompson was buried in Jesmond Old Cemetery on 12th May 1848
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-ZQV5?i=505&cat=828520
(Section 4F, extreme r-h column)
On 3rd August 1971 his body, along with several others, was exhumed and re-interred in Plot F2/4 of the same cemetery
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-CSWN-4?i=843&cat=828520
I was interested to know why his body, and apparently many others, had been exhumed in 1971.
Here is the answer - the land was needed for a dual carriageway! Many bodies were exhumed and re-buried, but in the event the road scheme didn't come to fruition and the exhumations need not have occurred.
More details here http://www.jesmondoldcemetery.co.uk/upheaval_14.html
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If it comes out as a Kindle edition I will see that you get first delivery Boo. ;)
After my last nightshift recently (when I was in Newcastle anyway en route home) I did have a scout around the Old Jesmond Cemetery looking for William's grave. I also tried looking for someone who had placed a photo request and had given plot details. Their ancestor was also one of those exhumed and interred in another part of the cemetery. Unfortunately, I didn't find a grave stone for either person. Perhaps I have somehow missed them or perhaps their grave stones were not put up on new grave sites. :-\ I think I was looking in the right part (on the right side of the entrance on Sandyford road side).
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William Joseph Thompson continued...
This is reply #47 in this thread
Newcastle Journal
26 Jan 1872
Town Talk
- Report of William Joseph Thompson
- Russian Vice Consul at North Shields
- has tried to require vessels lying at Shields to report at Shields
- current agreement is that vessels may report to any of the 3 ports,
- North and South Shields and Newcastle,
- whichever is most convenient for masters
- described as attempt to "filch away trade" from Newcastle
- to the benefit of Mr Thompson, being the Russian Vice-Consul at North Shields
Shields Daily Gazette
05 Feb 1874
Suppression Of The Russian Vice Consulate At Shields
The Journal de St Petersburg, the official organ of the Russian Government, contains the announcement that Mr William Joseph Thompson, the Russian Vice-Consul at Shields, has been relieved of his functions by reason of the suppression of the Vice-Consulate at that port.
I can add a little bit more from Shields Gazette, Thursday, 12 August, 1858
"NOTICE. - RUSSIAN VICE-CONSULATE.- Mr RALPH TURNBULL respectfully intimates to Ship Captains and others, that the Russian Vice-Consulate Office has been removed to 38, Bedford Street, North Shields."
So that antedates??? your William Thompson, but interestingly, in 1858, the property was owned by another Thompson, albeit unrelated.
We believe the office was located on part of the land currently occupied by the Beacon Shopping Centre.
In the 1901 Census, Robert John Terrell and Jane Cosgrove and family were living at 38 Bedford Street.
Cheers,
Wesoe
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According to Family Search some of these baptisms were at All Saints, Newcastle upon Tyne.
However I've searched without success for some of them in the Bishop's Transcripts, moreover the BT's for All Saints for those date don't show the mother's maiden surname or her father's name.
I suspect an F.S. indexing mix-up. Given that Isabella was from Scotland its more likely that they were baptised at a dissenter's church. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3JJ-96P
Without seeing the registers I can't say for certain, but I do know that sometimes people who were non conformists had their children baptised in the faith of their choice and also asked for/ paid a fee ? for their children's births to be recorded in Anglican parish registers (as they were the equivalent of the modern civil registrations if anyone had to show proof of when and where they were born at a later date).
Ones I have seen were usually noted as 'dissenters births'. Maybe they were entered as such in the PR but they didn't bother copying them for the BT's as they weren't actually baptised into the Anglican faith?
If ever the FHCs re-open I can check , but holding breath not a good option for that :-)
Boo
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Thanks for adding more Westoe. You and other Rootschatters have been very helpful with this thread.
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It's unbelievable! I visited the grave of William Joseph Thompson, a former Russian consul, just a few days ago. It's located in Bray, Ireland - St Peters church, Little Bray.
In Affectionate Remembrance of
WILLIAM JOSEPH THOMPSON
Late Russian Consul
who died Dec. 22 1893 aged 80 years
Also his wife
MARY THOMPSON
(nee HALIDAY)
died Feb. 21 1895 aged 83 years
R.I.P.
Erected by their children
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Thank you for that Fnna :)