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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dumfriesshire => Topic started by: Purpurea on Thursday 09 July 20 23:21 BST (UK)
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Hi. Wondered if anyone can help to track down info on the above. I've looked at the info on this site and can't find a connection.
According to the 1939 Register, James was born in 1893. This date fits with his age at death too (1959) aged 66
A daughter says he was born in Annan but knows little else about him as she was very young when he died. She believes he was married twice and married her mother in 1938 in Barton.
Any info would be very welcome. :)
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I presume that James Robison's marriage to Elizabeth Neild in 1938 was in Barton, Lancashire The marriage cert would confirm his father's name
Looking at Scotlands People there is a birth of a James Robison in 1893 in Annan Dumfrieshire. It is a pay to view site but I had a look and it lists him as born 5 Jan 1893 Prestondam, Annan with parents James Robison and Elizabeth Walker. His father is listed as a famer and their marriage 11 August 1886 Dumfries You should be able to compare the birth date with his birth date listed on the 1939 Register
I can't see the family together in 1901 at the moment but I think this may be the parents in 1891 living in Prestondam, Annan
James Robison 43 Farmer Annan, Dumfries Shire
Elizabeth Robison 33 Caerlaverlock, Dfs Shire
William Pickering 22
William Thomson 15
Kay
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I think this is the same couple pre marriage in 1881 living in Prestondam Annan
Robert Robison 74 Dornock, Dumfrieshire Landed Proprictor And Farmer 46 Acres All Arable Employing 1 Woman & 1 Boy
Nicholas Robison 80 Sister?? Housekeeper
James Robison 37 Nephew Dornock, Dumfrieshire
Elizabeth Walker 25 General Servant Caerlaverock, Dumfriesshire
Added I think this is the family in 1901 living at Prestondam Farm Annan
James Robison Widower 60 Farmer Annan, Dumfriesshire
James Robison 8 Annan, Dumfriesshire
Janet Pickering 45 Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Thomas Thomson 59 Gen Servant Annan
This looks like the farm
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pp1/
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SP has a death for an Elizabeth ROBERTSON / Walker , age 40 , 1900 Annan Dumfries ?
There is also a Will for a James Robison , date 21st July 1909 , died 15th Sept. 1908 , Prestondam, Annan.
ev
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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210195856/james-robison
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The Scotsman 16 May 1906
Scottish Bankrupts
Petions
James Robison Farmer of Prestondam in the Parish of Annan
Carlisle Patriot 13 August 1886
Marriage at Dumfries 4 August James Robison Farmer of Prestondam Annan to Elizabeth Walker daughter of the late James Walker of Carlaverock
Kay
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Wow...
Thank you so much for all this information.
Wedding cert!!! Of course... that would have been the obvious route! Yes that's the right marriage.
It's really good of you to do this. It looks like very interesting information, which James' daughter will be absolutely thrilled to receive.
I will go away and take all this info in.
Many thanks. Really appreciated.
;D
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Many thanks ev ;D and Kay99 ;D
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I think this is the same couple pre marriage in 1881 living in Prestondam Annan
Robert Robison 74 Dornock, Dumfrieshire Landed Proprictor And Farmer 46 Acres All Arable Employing 1 Woman & 1 Boy
Nicholas Robison 80 Sister?? Housekeeper
James Robison 37 Nephew Dornock, Dumfrieshire
Elizabeth Walker 25 General Servant Caerlaverock, Dumfriesshire
Added I think this is the family in 1901 living at Prestondam Farm Annan
James Robison Widower 60 Farmer Annan, Dumfriesshire
James Robison 8 Annan, Dumfriesshire
Janet Pickering 45 Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Thomas Thomson 59 Gen Servant Annan
This looks like the farm
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pp1/
Hi Kay
I've amended this ( ):
I'm having another look through all the information that you so kindly looked up. Nicholas made me think, as you indicated that this was a woman. So, I Googled it and sure enough, Nicholas was a common female name in Scotland, the Male version being Nichol.
I was intrigued to know of the relationship and found a marriage on 25 Sept 1865 Robert and Nicholas Beattie.
(However, I have since found a Robert living with his mother, Isabella, sibling James and a nephew (James) & niece Isabel in 1861 and he has a sister named Nicholas! So, this will be his sister in 1881.
Maybe the Robert & Nicholas Beattie marriage will fit in somewhere as the niece above is called Isabel Beattie!)
I couldn't have found this without your input.
I'm still reading/digging but would like to thank you again for your help with this.
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The Scotsman 16 May 1906
Scottish Bankrupts
Petions
James Robison Farmer of Prestondam in the Parish of Annan
Carlisle Patriot 13 August 1886
Marriage at Dumfries 4 August James Robison Farmer of Prestondam Annan to Elizabeth Walker daughter of the late James Walker of Carlaverock
Kay
Hi Kay
This information is also intriguing.
James married two days before he was made bankrupt but five years later they are still living on the farm which used to belonged to his uncle. You would initially assume that the farm had been left to him by his uncle (who married late) but this may mean that somebody else owns it and they are renting/leasing! Would suspect a copy of Robert's will would solve this).
Is there a way of finding out who owns/leases properties at this time?
Different members of the Pickering and Thomson families seem to live with them over time too.
Many thanks Kay. ;D
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SP has a death for an Elizabeth ROBERTSON / Walker , age 40 , 1900 Annan Dumfries ?
There is also a Will for a James Robison , date 21st July 1909 , died 15th Sept. 1908 , Prestondam, Annan.
ev
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https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210195856/james-robison
Hi Ev
Thank you for this information. It's good of you to look it up.
I'm going through it and trying to fit the jigsaw pieces in.
I was just wondering how a person that was made bankrupt still lived on the farm 5 years later and I assumed that he must not have owned it, even though it was his uncle's and it looks like his uncle married late and didn't have any children of his own! But was it left to someone else or left in trust... I'm presuming their Wills could probably solve this question and/or if James' son, James, carried on living on the farm after his death in 1908?!
I've asked Kay if there is a way of establishing ownership/leaseholders etc at this time.
Thanks again.
;D
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Is there a way of finding out who owns/leases properties at this time
Look the property up in the Valuation Rolls at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
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The Scotsman 16 May 1906
Scottish Bankrupts
Petions
James Robison Farmer of Prestondam in the Parish of Annan
Carlisle Patriot 13 August 1886
Marriage at Dumfries 4 August James Robison Farmer of Prestondam Annan to Elizabeth Walker daughter of the late James Walker of Carlaverock
Kay
Hi Kay
This information is also intriguing.
James married two days before he was made bankrupt but five years later they are still living on the farm which used to belonged to his uncle. You would initially assume that the farm had been left to him by his uncle (who married late) but this may mean that somebody else owns it and they are renting/leasing! Would suspect a copy of Robert's will would solve this).
Is there a way of finding out who owns/leases properties at this time?
Different members of the Pickering and Thomson families seem to live with them over time too.
Many thanks Kay. ;D
Apologies - I think my newspaper extracts were confusing. The bankruptcy report was in 1906 but the marriage report was in 1886 - thirty years earlier.
Kay
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Apologies - I think my newspaper extracts were confusing. The bankruptcy report was in 1906 but the marriage report was in 1886 - thirty years earlier.
Kay
Ok, thank you Kay. :)
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Is there a way of finding out who owns/leases properties at this time
Look the property up in the Valuation Rolls at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
Ok. Thank you!
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Hi
Just wanted to let you all know that James' daughter is thrilled that you managed to trace her father & his family in the 1800s and with all the information that you so kindly provided:
'Wow that’s fantastic. I took paperwork round this morning for Norma to look at . She’s so happy with it all. Ian their army son was there at weekend and was looking at the file I’d created for her. Ian has said he wants the file to keep.
Dave wants me to get him the long birth certificate as well so I will do a copy to put in the file for when Ian eventually has it.
X'
I've since also managed to find an Ordinance Survey document showing who owned/rented Priestholm Farm in 1848-1858 - which the family lived in then.
Thanks again for putting Norma and her family on the right track.
Thanks again...