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Title: James ROBISON
Post by: Purpurea on Thursday 09 July 20 23:21 BST (UK)
Hi.  Wondered if anyone can help to track down info on the above.  I've looked at the info on this site and can't find a connection.

According to the 1939 Register, James was born in 1893.  This date fits with his age at death too (1959) aged 66

A daughter says he was born in Annan but knows little else about him as she was very young when he died.  She believes he was married twice and married her mother in 1938 in Barton.

Any info would be very welcome.   :)

Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: Kay99 on Friday 10 July 20 06:25 BST (UK)
I presume that James Robison's marriage to Elizabeth Neild in 1938 was in Barton, Lancashire    The marriage cert would confirm his father's name

Looking at Scotlands People there is a birth of a James Robison in 1893 in Annan Dumfrieshire.   It is a pay to view site but I had a look and it lists him as born 5 Jan 1893 Prestondam, Annan with parents James Robison and Elizabeth Walker.   His father  is listed as a famer and their marriage 11 August 1886 Dumfries    You should be able to compare the birth date with his birth date listed on the 1939 Register

I can't see the family together in 1901 at the moment but I think this may be the parents in 1891 living in Prestondam, Annan

James Robison    43  Farmer Annan, Dumfries Shire
Elizabeth Robison 33 Caerlaverlock, Dfs Shire
William Pickering    22
William Thomson    15

Kay
Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: Kay99 on Friday 10 July 20 06:32 BST (UK)
I think this is the same couple pre marriage in 1881 living in Prestondam Annan

Robert Robison    74 Dornock, Dumfrieshire Landed Proprictor And Farmer 46 Acres All Arable Employing 1 Woman & 1 Boy
Nicholas Robison 80  Sister??   Housekeeper
James Robison    37  Nephew   Dornock, Dumfrieshire
Elizabeth Walker 25  General Servant Caerlaverock, Dumfriesshire

Added I think this is the family in 1901 living at Prestondam Farm Annan

James Robison   Widower   60   Farmer   Annan, Dumfriesshire
James Robison   8   Annan, Dumfriesshire
Janet Pickering 45   Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Thomas Thomson   59   Gen Servant   Annan

This looks like the farm
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pp1/
Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: ev on Friday 10 July 20 06:53 BST (UK)
SP has a death for an Elizabeth ROBERTSON / Walker , age 40 , 1900 Annan Dumfries ?

There is also a Will for a James Robison , date 21st July 1909 , died 15th Sept. 1908 , Prestondam, Annan.


ev

Added-
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210195856/james-robison
Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: Kay99 on Friday 10 July 20 08:26 BST (UK)
The Scotsman 16 May 1906

Scottish Bankrupts
Petions
James Robison Farmer of Prestondam in the Parish of Annan

Carlisle Patriot 13 August 1886

Marriage at Dumfries 4 August James Robison Farmer of Prestondam Annan to Elizabeth Walker daughter of the late James Walker of Carlaverock

Kay
Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: Purpurea on Friday 10 July 20 19:07 BST (UK)
Wow...

Thank you so much for all this information. 

Wedding cert!!!  Of course...  that would have been the obvious route!  Yes that's the right marriage.

It's really good of you to do this.  It looks like very interesting information, which James' daughter will be absolutely thrilled to receive.

I will go away and take all this info in.

Many thanks.  Really appreciated.

 ;D
Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: Purpurea on Friday 10 July 20 19:09 BST (UK)
Many thanks ev ;D and Kay99 ;D

Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: Purpurea on Saturday 11 July 20 11:15 BST (UK)
I think this is the same couple pre marriage in 1881 living in Prestondam Annan

Robert Robison    74 Dornock, Dumfrieshire Landed Proprictor And Farmer 46 Acres All Arable Employing 1 Woman & 1 Boy
Nicholas Robison 80  Sister??   Housekeeper
James Robison    37  Nephew   Dornock, Dumfrieshire
Elizabeth Walker 25  General Servant Caerlaverock, Dumfriesshire

Added I think this is the family in 1901 living at Prestondam Farm Annan

James Robison   Widower   60   Farmer   Annan, Dumfriesshire
James Robison   8   Annan, Dumfriesshire
Janet Pickering 45   Dumfriesshire, Scotland
Thomas Thomson   59   Gen Servant   Annan

This looks like the farm
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pp1/

Hi Kay

I've amended this (  ):

I'm having another look through all the information that you so kindly looked up.  Nicholas made me think, as you indicated that this was a woman.   So, I Googled it and sure enough, Nicholas was a common female name in Scotland, the Male version being Nichol. 

I was intrigued to know of the relationship and found a marriage on 25 Sept 1865 Robert and Nicholas Beattie. 
(However, I have since found  a Robert living with his mother, Isabella, sibling James and a nephew (James) & niece Isabel in 1861 and he has a sister named Nicholas!  So, this will be his sister in 1881. 

Maybe the Robert & Nicholas Beattie marriage will fit in somewhere as the niece above is called Isabel Beattie!)

I couldn't have found this without your input. 

I'm still reading/digging but would like to thank you again for your help with this.

Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: Purpurea on Saturday 11 July 20 11:27 BST (UK)
The Scotsman 16 May 1906

Scottish Bankrupts
Petions
James Robison Farmer of Prestondam in the Parish of Annan

Carlisle Patriot 13 August 1886

Marriage at Dumfries 4 August James Robison Farmer of Prestondam Annan to Elizabeth Walker daughter of the late James Walker of Carlaverock

Kay

Hi Kay

This information is also intriguing.

James married two days before he was made bankrupt but five years later they are still living on the farm which used to belonged to his uncle.  You would initially assume that the farm had been left to him by his uncle (who married late) but this may mean that somebody else owns it and they are renting/leasing!  Would suspect a copy of Robert's will would solve this).

Is there a way of finding out who owns/leases properties at this time?


Different members of the Pickering and Thomson families seem to live with them over time too.

Many thanks Kay.   ;D

Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: Purpurea on Saturday 11 July 20 11:41 BST (UK)
SP has a death for an Elizabeth ROBERTSON / Walker , age 40 , 1900 Annan Dumfries ?

There is also a Will for a James Robison , date 21st July 1909 , died 15th Sept. 1908 , Prestondam, Annan.


ev

Added-
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/210195856/james-robison

Hi Ev

Thank you for this information.  It's good of you to look it up.

I'm going through it and trying to fit the jigsaw pieces in.

I was just wondering how a person that was made bankrupt still lived on the farm 5 years later and I assumed that he must not have owned it, even though it was his uncle's and it looks like his uncle married late and didn't have any children of his own!  But was it left to someone else or left in trust...  I'm presuming their Wills could probably solve this question and/or if James' son, James, carried on living on the farm after his death in 1908?!

I've asked Kay if there is a way of establishing ownership/leaseholders etc at this time.

Thanks again.

 ;D
Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 11 July 20 12:28 BST (UK)
Is there a way of finding out who owns/leases properties at this time
Look the property up in the Valuation Rolls at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: Kay99 on Saturday 11 July 20 12:46 BST (UK)
The Scotsman 16 May 1906

Scottish Bankrupts
Petions
James Robison Farmer of Prestondam in the Parish of Annan

Carlisle Patriot 13 August 1886

Marriage at Dumfries 4 August James Robison Farmer of Prestondam Annan to Elizabeth Walker daughter of the late James Walker of Carlaverock

Kay

Hi Kay

This information is also intriguing.

James married two days before he was made bankrupt but five years later they are still living on the farm which used to belonged to his uncle.  You would initially assume that the farm had been left to him by his uncle (who married late) but this may mean that somebody else owns it and they are renting/leasing!  Would suspect a copy of Robert's will would solve this).

Is there a way of finding out who owns/leases properties at this time?


Different members of the Pickering and Thomson families seem to live with them over time too.

Many thanks Kay.   ;D

Apologies - I think my newspaper extracts were confusing.   The bankruptcy report was in 1906 but the marriage report was in 1886 - thirty years earlier.   

Kay
Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: Purpurea on Saturday 11 July 20 15:28 BST (UK)

Apologies - I think my newspaper extracts were confusing.   The bankruptcy report was in 1906 but the marriage report was in 1886 - thirty years earlier.   

Kay

Ok, thank you Kay. :)

Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: Purpurea on Saturday 11 July 20 15:30 BST (UK)
Is there a way of finding out who owns/leases properties at this time
Look the property up in the Valuation Rolls at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.

Ok.  Thank you!
Title: Re: James ROBISON
Post by: Purpurea on Wednesday 15 July 20 16:19 BST (UK)
Hi

Just wanted to let you all know that James' daughter is thrilled that you managed to trace her father & his family in the 1800s and with all the information that you so kindly provided:

'Wow that’s fantastic. I took paperwork round this morning for Norma to look at . She’s so happy with it all. Ian their army son was there at weekend and was looking at the file I’d created for her. Ian has said he wants the file to keep. 
Dave wants me to get him the long birth certificate as well so I will do a copy to put in the file for when Ian eventually has it. 
X'

I've since also managed to find an Ordinance Survey document showing who owned/rented Priestholm Farm in 1848-1858 - which the family lived in then.

Thanks again for putting Norma and her family on the right track.


Thanks again...