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I have a marriage of a Thomas Pool to a Betty Prater 15/7/1816 at Didmarton although it says that his abode is Didmarton I am hoping that someone may be able to find if he was born there or not.
Thomas was buried at Didmarton 12/5/1824 age 41
I am actually looking for a marriage of a Thomas Pool he was christened 20/3/1782 at Minchinhampton to a Daniel Pool and Elizabeth Skinner and this is the closest I have come to hoping this is the Thomas that has moved to Didmorton.
Appreciate your time and effort and any advise .
Ochsenkopff
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As I am sure you are aware there are a number of possible baptisms for Thomas in the county but none in Didmartin.I wonder if you had considered this one slightly nearer to Didmartin?
Thomas Pool Baptism Cromhall, Gloucestershire 17 Feb 1782, parents Daniel & Ann
Daniel Pool to Anne Summers married 26 Sep 1774 Cromhall, Gloucestershire
Plus the one you mention.
Daniel Pool to Elizabeth Skinner 12 Aug 1771 Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire
Did Thomas and Betty have any children?
Colin
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Just to recap
Thomas POOL - was buried at Didmarton 12 May 1824 aged 41 years - his abode however, was Oldbury on the Hill.
On Wikipedia, .... On the 25 March 1883 Oldbury on the Hill, was incorporated into the civil parish of Didmarton, the two having shared a Rector since 1735.
Thomas POOL married in 1816 - which would make his age about 33 - most men would have been married in their twenties.
There are a number of POOL marriages in Oldbury on the Hill from
Ann POOL - 11 September 1786, Didmarton and Oldbury on the Hill
William POOL - 27October 1839
and Thomas' Widow, Betty POOL in 1824.
William POOL on later census, says he was born in Sherston, Wiltshire.
It could be, Thomas POOL was a Widower when his married - and possible children were married in Didmarton Oldbury on the Hill
Ancestry has registers for Didmarton and Didmarton Oldbury on the Hill
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William POOL Elizabeth SAVIGE - Banns at Oldbury on the Hill, 27 October 1839
On the 1841, Census at Oldbury on the Hill
POOL
William - 25 - labourer, not born in County
Elizabeth - 25
Margaret - 10 Months
On the 1851 Census, William and his family are living at North Cerney
POOL
WILLIAM - - 36 - farm labourer, born Wilts, Sherstone
Elizabeth - Glos only
Margaret - 11 - born Glos. Didmarton
On the 1861 Census again North Cerney
William POOLE is aged 50 and says he was born in Willesley, Gloucestershire.
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Gloucestershire Population tables -
for Didmarton
74 people in 1801
95 people in 1811
101 people in 1821
6? approx to a family only equates to about 15 families
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Wiltshire Marriages Ancestry
Marriage at Sherston Magna - 29 October 1839
William POOL - of full age, Bachelor, occupation: Servant - residence: Oldbury
father: William POOL, labourer
to Elizabeth SAVAGE - of sull age, Spinster - residence; Oldbury
witnesses: John POOL, Elizabeth POOL (these witnesses - are on the 1861 census, Sherston Magna)
? is William POOL (the father, a brother? of Thomas POOL)
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? at Tetbury is only 5 miles Sw of Oldbury on the Hill
Baptism at Tetbury - 13 April 1783
Thos POOLE, father: Willm POOLE and Mary
William POOL married Mary TYRIL at Tetbury, 12 July 1778
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Thos surname on the banns and marriage etc - he could only sign his name - and one of these has an E at the end.
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To all who have gone to the trouble of finding this information for me I thank you so much but have been clutching at straws. It all started with my G. G. Grandfather a most confusing person who had a child out of wedlock but married to that child,s mother 2 years later as i have the birth certificate to prove the fact
When that child married there were two certificates one saying his name was Daniel Pool his father being Thomas Pool but where Danial was to have signed his name besides Matilda Parker his wife Thomas was placed there instead the other certificate says that Thomas Pool married Matilda Parker both have the same registration numbers ???
I do not have a copy of the second Certificate.
Daniel Pool was apparently born at Brimscombe Gloucestershire about 1814-1817 Daniel's name changes to John Pool after the 1851 census just to confuse things more, have been looking for this Daniel or Thomas or John for over 25 years.This is more than just the too hard basket
Thank you all again
Ochsenkopf
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Ancestry:
Baptism at Barnsley, Gloucestershire, 24 November 1833
Daniel (17 years of age) Parents, Dead : occupation, Labourer
parents: Thomas & Margaret POOLE -
Richard A MUSGRAVE, Rector
Ceremony performed with the approbation of The Bishop
So Daniel was born c1816
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Marriage at Maiseyhampton
16 May 1842
Daniel POOLE - aged 22 years, Bachelor, labourer, residence : Mersey Hampton, father: Thomas POOLE, labourer
Matilda PARKER - aged 19 years, Spinster, labourer, etc etc.
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Ancestry: Banns at Maiseyhampton - this entry has lots of crossed out marking.
Banns of Marriage between Daniel POOLE of this Parish, bachelor, and Matilda PARKER of this Parish Spinster were published on Three Sundays and underwritten
23 February 1840
1 March 1840
8 March 1840
F W Holme RECTOR.
Maisey/Mersey Hampton is where my x grandparents were married in the 1820's a very small hamlet still to this day.
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? (needs more work...)
There is a Samuel POOLE, christened 6 November 1803 at Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire
parents: Thomas POOLE and Margaret
and a Non-conformist at Rodborough, 16 February 1806
Jabez POOLE - parents: Thomas POOLE and Margaret
? this family could possibly be non-conformist.
From Gloucestershire Non-conformist Register
POOLE Jabez - date of baptism 12 October 1806 - date of birth 13 October 1805 - parents Thomas & Margaret - abode: Thrupp, Stroud
Probably was Daniel was christened at 17 years of age ....
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There is a Public Members Tree on Ancestry
Margaret ROBERTS, birth abt 1780, Gloucestershire England
married: Stroud St Lawrence: to Thomas POOLE
13 January 1803
birth of Son: Jabez POOLE - at Stroud
birth of Son: Daniel (John) - 1817-1890)
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Jabez POOLE is on the 1841 census again at Barnsley (where Daniel was baptised at 17 years)
Jabez POOLE - 35 - Ag Lab - all born in County
Maria - 30
Emma - 12
Albert - 8
Ellen - 5
Margaret 2 etc. etc.
Margaret, died, 1827, etc etc.
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Marriage at Bisley, 15 July 1827
Jabez POOLE, Widower of this Parish to Maria BRAIN
witnesses; Saml POOLE his mark and Wm WHITING.
Probably Samuel POOLE christened 1803 in previous reply.
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1st marriage
Jabez POOLE married Ann WOODMAN - 25 December 1824, Minchinhampton, Gloucestershire.
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Jabez POOLE tree on Ancestry Public members......
Margaret POOLE - buried at Stroud St Lawrence - aged 49 - residence: Quar-house Stroud - 9 October 1827
and
Thomas POOLE - buried at Bourton on the Hill - aged 53 - 6 July 1833.
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Capetown
At the moment i am excited and full of hope of what information you have given me, it sounds so possible i will have to sit down and take everything in and get back to you.
So much information' if this family is mine i will not be able to thank you enough.
ochsenkopf
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See what else I can find.... as you say, looks promising.
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Ancestry Non-conformist Register
Gloucester, Calvinistic Methodist, Rodborough, The Tabernacle
Jabez - Son of Thomas & Margaret POOLE - (Thrup in the Parish of Stroud) - Born October 13th 1805 - Baptised February 7th 1806.
'Brimscombe and Thrupp - Wikipedia'
Brimscombe and Thrupp is a civil parish made up of two small linked villages in the narrow Frome Valley slightly southeast of Stroud, Gloucestershire, England.
Daniel says he was born in Brimscombe - so seems good!!
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On Gloucestershire Genelogical Database - there is also another non-conformist family (quite a large number of POOL/POOLE's in the area.
Baptised 30 January 1861
Henery POOLE - father : James Henery and mother Sarah
Parish : Brimscombe.
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Here is Jabez and Daniel’s brother Samual’s wedding at Stroud 18 October 1827 to Sarah Vines, Widow, father James Collins. Fortunately, Samuel names his father as Thomas Poole.
Samuel & Sarah POOLE were also in Barnsley and had (so far) - a Son : Samuel christened 7 April 1833 - (his baptism entry is on the opposite page to Jabez & Marie's son - Albert - christened - 5 August 1832.
There are 3 POOLE baptisms at Barnsley in 1834 - all next to each other
31 August - Ann - daughter of John & Hannah - Barnsley, labourer
14 September - Joseph - son of William & Maria - ditto
2 November - Adelaide - daughter of Jabez & Maria
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Hello Capetown
Things are falling in place here and there ,first of all if i have the right Thomas Poole 1782 Minchinhampton marries Margaret Roberts 30/1/1803 at Stroud first child Samuel 15/11/1803 minchinhampton and Jabez at stroud living Thrupp that all faslls into place.
The Thomas Poole who is buried at Bourton on the Hill aged 53 [born 1780] is only 2 years difference of my Thomas 1782 who could have been born 1780 but there is that doubt why did Thomas move there and not with his relatives
Now the one i am really after is Daniel [John] Poole ca 1817- 1890 if this is my G/G/ Grandfather no wonder i have been looking for 25 years for him he has always said in Census that he was Born in Brimscombe which is not that far from Minchinhampton but nothing turned up for christenings etc. so finding his father Thomas was not easy but sometime back i did consider this Poole family but because of the names Jabez and Kezia and they not appearing in any of my Pooles names i completely dismissed them, I have now found that the names Margaret, Albert and Ellen are in both of Daniels sons families unlike the Barnsley Pooles my Pooles were in Chalford Hill, France Lynch and Poulton. Strange as it seems Margret the first child born to Daniel's son was at Bisley where Jabez Poole married.
It is all looking very promising and my thanks goes out to you for especially the info on Daniel Poole not to say that i did not appreciate advise and help from those other good people.
I now need to work a little harder on bringing them all together so i have no doubts and oce again a big thank you.
ochsenkopf
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Hello Capetown
While finishing off my reply to you i had just noticed all this other information that you have given me it is a little over whelming of how much. For years it was so much easier to follow up and find a lot on the internet but things have tightened up and not so much without paying for it but after all those years of researching i found out that our surname was not the right one and the name should have been Poole because my G/Grandfather George married under the name of his mother and also died under her surname being illegitimate he stuck to it but he did also register under the name Poole just to confuse thing like his father did.
You have done me such a service and really gone out of you way, thanks is nowhere good enough but that is all i can offer.
ochsenkopf
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Glad to help. Am sure my x grandparents who lived in the same very small community as yours, knew each other. It was very common to have an 'Alias' surname .... which went through the generations, my x Grandmother did.