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Title: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: nicdigby on Sunday 26 July 20 23:45 BST (UK): Hello, I am trying to find out for sure how many children my ancestors had, and then ultimately to try and find my cousins and second cousins. I have done some guesswork on the following but need to prove if Maud and Ernest did actually have the children I think they had.

My relative: Maud Walpole, Norfolk to parents Harriet Pidgeon Walpole (nee Howlett) and Houghton Walpole. (what a name!)

Maud looks like she married 25/3/1928 to Ernest G Willmott. The marriage cert is online and Houghton is named as her father. Ernest was born 6/12/1893 and is named as a widower on their marriage cert. They married in Southwark St Paul, Lorrimore Square, London.

However I think Ernest died in Devon 2/12/64 and I think Maud died in Devon 1987.

This is all best guess work but I wonder if I actually have the correct people?

The only 1939 register I can find for a couple in the same name is for an address in Chatham, Kent, but there are no children listed for the couple on the register. Maud's dob on there is b 4/8/1897 - but is it the correct person?

When I do a FreeBMD birth search, three children come up for bring born to these names. They may be alive so I don't want to name them, but the surname for a 1930 birth in Lambeth is Willmott (MMN Walpole) and then two children born Medway in Mar 1932 and Sept 1933.

But they would have probably been on the 1939 register so perhaps I have gone wrong somewhere? I am still new to this and would love some help. Pls PM if you find out anything about the children eg an ER with them on it, or marriages or children of their own.
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: nicdigby on Sunday 26 July 20 23:45 BST (UK): Just realsied I've posted in the Essex thread. Sorry.
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 July 20 00:39 BST (UK): Sorry - wrong answer- removed
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 27 July 20 01:30 BST (UK): Would the children have been sent away during the war?, where ever they went if they are still alive they wouldn't be listed on 1939

Louisa Maud
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: louisa maud on Monday 27 July 20 01:40 BST (UK): If you think you have found the 3 births then follow on looking for marriages
Female married
1 son looks as if he emigrated
not sure about 3rd child

There is a family tree on Ancestry for this family, you should have no problem searching for them

LM
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 27 July 20 01:53 BST (UK): The daughter’s marriage:

Mar 1954 Newton A. 7a 1005
WILLMOTT N N
EVANS K H

Death:

EVANS, NOELINE NANCY 1931
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/1994 in Torbay (4221C) Reg C21A Entry Number 210

National Calendar of Estates (Index of Wills and Administrations), England and Wales, 1858-1995
WILLS, ESTATES AND GUARDIAN RECORDS
Document information
Noeline Nancy Evans
Death dd / mm / 1994

Maybe:

EVANS, KENNETH HOLLOWAY 1925
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/1997 in Torbay (4221A) Reg A75A Entry Number 220

The deaths mentioned:

Dec 1964 NEWTON A. 7A 501
WILLMOTT ERNEST G 70

WILLMOTT, MAUD 1897
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/1987 in TORBAY (4221B) Volume 21 Page 2113

Marriage and death of Ernest’s first wife:

Dec 1918 Southwark 1d 198
WILLMOTT Ernest G
HOLMDEN Frances E

WILLMOTT, FRANCES ELIZABETH 28
GRO Reference: 1924 J Quarter in ST.MARTIN Volume 01A Page 495

Ernest’s birth? It would support the possible son’s name.:

WILLMOTT, ERNEST GEOFFREY mmn READ
GRO Reference: 1894 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 601

Jamjar
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 27 July 20 02:50 BST (UK): Do you have a father’s name for Ernest G from his marriage certificate?

I think this may be him in 1901 and 1911:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSF4-XFG

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDJ-LDW

1911, a daughter with Arthur’s brother: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDJ-QVB

WILLMOTT, IVY HILDA mmn READ
GRO Reference: 1896 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 589

Jun 1892 Wilton 5a 399
WILLMOTT Arthur Harry
READ Annie

Jamjar
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: amondg on Monday 27 July 20 05:42 BST (UK): Ancestry
28 March 1928 St Paul Southwark, Lorrimore Square.
Ernest Geoffrey Willmott 34 widower 54 Lorrimore Street, photographer
father Arthur Henry Willmott, Engineer

Maud Walpole 30 spinster of 66 Lorrimore Street
Father Houghton Walpole - Farmer
Witness H Walpole and Harold Walpole
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: amondg on Monday 27 July 20 06:02 BST (UK): Ernest Geoffrey Willmott DOB 6 December 1893 was baptised 18 Feb 1894 at St Paul's Chatham Kent.
parents Arthur Henry Willmott and Annie.

Arthur Harry Willmott 22 married Annie Read 22 at Fovant Wiltshire 9 May 1892,
his father Edward- writer at Dockyard
Her father Charles- Carrier
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 27 July 20 06:27 BST (UK): 1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD8S-JG3
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KD8S-JG7

1881, Arthur Henry: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27W-46P5

1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV7H-8N2

1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9FF-JXZ

1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDJ-QVY

Marriage:

Dec 1864 Medway 2a 695
WILLMOTT Edward
CLOTHER Matilda

Deaths:

WILLMOTT, MATILDA 58
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 345

WILLMOTT, EDWARD 78
GRO Reference: 1920 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 720

Children:

WILLMOTT, MATILDA EMILY mmn CLOTHER
GRO Reference: 1865 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 422
Married:
Mar 1884 Medway 2a 690
WILLMOTT Matilda Emily
BELDING William Thomas
Note: An online tree has Matilda incorrectly marrying a BATE in 1888, with two children who aren’t hers.
Deaths, South Africa, Matilda:
Death certificate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5FZ-9PQ1?i=20&cc=1779109&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3A4G9N-4HZM
Children named: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C91C-6SC2-Y?i=978&cc=2517051&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPWP-8KT8
Burial: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DV-S5BN
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVY-V9RM?cc=2790463&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQPHY-FXHF
William, death certificate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939Z-5Q95-9S?i=86&cc=1779109&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQLX3-4RZ7
Burial: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG1M-KPLX
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSVY-V95L?cc=2790463&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQG1M-KPLX
Son’s marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q23Q-6FD2

WILLMOTT, EDWARD JOHN mmn CLOTHER
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 432
Married:
Jun 1889 Medway 2a 870
WILLMOTT Edward John
KEMP Georgina Beatrice
Deaths:
WILLMOTT, GEORGINA BEATRICE 47
GRO Reference: 1916 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 1014
WILLMOTT, EDWARD JOHN 79
GRO Reference: 1946 S Quarter in CHATHAM Volume 05B Page 276
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDJ-QVR

WILLMOTT, ERNEST WILLIAM mmn CLOTHER
GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 487
Married:
Jun 1896 Marylebone 1a 1263
WILLMOTT Ernest William
LEE Ivy Lenore
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9F3-3G5
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDJ-LDD

WILLMOTT, ARTHUR HENRY mmn CLOTHER
GRO Reference: 1872 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 462
Death: WILLMOTT, ARTHUR HENRY 82
GRO Reference: 1955 M Quarter in CHATHAM Volume 05B Page 388
Wife’s death: WILLMOTT, ANNIE 71
GRO Reference: 1941 S Quarter in CHATHAM Volume 02A Page 1756

WILLMOTT, HERBERT GEORGE mmn CLOTHER
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 475
Married:
Jun 1898 Wilton 5a 421
WILLMOTT Herbert George
READ Mary
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9FF-5N3
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDJ-8G4
Child:
WILLMOTT, NINA MARGARET mmn READ
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 671
Married:
Dec 1929 Wandsworth 1d 955
BRYANT Eric N
WILLMOTT Nina M
Deaths:
Sep 1978 NEWTON A 21 1438
BRYANT NINA MARGARET 7 JAN 1901
1986 NEWTON/A 21 1596
BRYANT ERIC NOEL 18 JAN 1904

WILLMOTT, FLORENCE ELIZABETH MARIA mmn CLOTHER
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 507
Married:
Jun 1899 Medway 2aM1259
SELVESCharlie
WILLMOTT Florence Elizabeth M
Child:
SELVES, CHARLES EDWARD JOHN mmn WILLMOTT
GRO Reference: 1900 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 667
Note: Went to NZ
Marriage: 1910/4690 Florence Elizabeth Maria SELVES TO Moncrieff Tullis HORNE
Deaths:
1909/3548 SELVES Charles 36
1924/10033 SELVES Charles Edward John 24
1967/40592 HORNE Florence Elizabeth Maria 90
Headstone inscription, Charles Snr: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLPT-377Z

WILLMOTT, SIDNEY WALTER mmn CLOTHER
GRO Reference: 1881 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 551
Married:
Jun 1909 Woolwich 1d 2023
WILLMOTT Sidney Walter
BRETT Annie Elizabeth
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X983-VBH
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X72R-JL3
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X72R-JZW
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X72R-JZ4
Children:
WILLMOTT, EDWARD JAMES mmn BRETT
GRO Reference: 1910 S Quarter in AMESBURY Volume 05A Page 148
WILLMOTT, ROSINA ELLEN mmn BRETT
GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in AMESBURY Volume 05A Page 264
WILLMOTT, DORIS ANNIE mmn BRETT
GRO Reference: 1913 S Quarter in FARNHAM Volume 02A Page 247

Jamjar
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: Jamjar on Monday 27 July 20 07:02 BST (UK): 1871, Annie READ: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VFJQ-ZHJ

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q278-R9WF

1891, mother widowed: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4V8H-X3Z

1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSKS-NPP

1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X72T-WPY

Jun 1869 Wilton 5am357
READ Charles
TURNER Mary Ann

Deaths:

READ, CHARLES 39
GRO Reference: 1884 J Quarter in WILTON Volume 05A Page 147

READ, AARON 86 (father of Charles)
GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in WILTON Volume 05A Page 141

READ, MARY ANN 77
GRO Reference: 1915 S Quarter in SALISBURY Volume 05A Page 169

Children:

READ, ANNIE mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1870 M Quarter in WILTON Volume 05A Page 213

READ, SARAH mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1872 M Quarter in WILTON Volume 05A Page 215
Married:
Dec 1894 Wilton 5a 423
PLOWMAN William Charles
READ Sarah
Deaths:
PLOWMAN, WILLIAM CHARLES 65
GRO Reference: 1937 D Quarter in SALISBURY Volume 05A Page 185
PLOWMAN, SARAH 69
GRO Reference: 1941 D Quarter in SALISBURY Volume 05A Page 344
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSF3-LJL
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWQK-CPN

READ, MARY ANN mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1871 D Quarter in WILTON Volume 05A Page 194

READ, WALTER JAMES mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1873 S Quarter in WILTON Volume 05A Page 199
Married:
Sep 1895 Manchester 8d 269
READ Walter James
WILSON Mary Elizabeth
Possible death:
READ, WALTER JAMES 50
GRO Reference: 1921 S Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 314
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9L5-D73
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW16-25H
Children:
READ, WALTER EDWARD mmn WILSON
GRO Reference: 1896 J Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 457
READ, CHARLES WILSON mmn WILSON
GRO Reference: 1901 D Quarter in PRESTWICH Volume 08D Page 445

READ, KATE mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1875 M Quarter in WILTON Volume 05A Page 220
Married:
Sep 1901 Wilton 5a 431
KINCH Alfred John C
READ Kate
Deaths:
KINCH, ALFRED JOHN CHARLES 69
GRO Reference: 1948 J Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 493
KINCH, KATE 77
GRO Reference: 1952 M Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 06B Page 678
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWQL-SCZ
Child:
KINCH, ALFRED CHARLES mmn READ
GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in SOUTHAMPTON Volume 02C Page 13

READ, ELLEN mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in WILTON Volume 05A Page 218
Married:
Jun 1902 Wilton 5a 389
MARLOW William Edgar
READ Ellen
Deaths:
MARLOW, WILLIAM EDGAR 73
GRO Reference: 1953 M Quarter in CHATHAM Volume 05B Page 426
MARLOW, ELLEN 79
GRO Reference: 1956 D Quarter in CHATHAM Volume 05B Page 318
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X72T-WPY

READ, LILLY mmn TURNER
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in WILTON Volume 05A Page 216
Married:
Sep 1905 Wilton 5a 451
READ Frank
READ Lily
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X72Y-WTG

READ, ROSA mmn TURNER died Dec 1882
GRO Reference: 1879 D Quarter in WILTON Volume 05A Page 216

Jamjar
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 28 July 20 03:57 BST (UK): Link to Australia board: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=835043.msg7001047

Jamjar
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: majm on Tuesday 28 July 20 04:10 BST (UK): Following on from the Australia board's thread, with find a grave memorial info for Geoffrey Henry WILLMOTT ....

https://www.freebmd.org.uk/

Geoffrey H H WILLMOTT
mmn WALPOLE
birth registration info: registered in the March Quarter of 1930, in the district of Lambeth. Ref 1d/354

I wonder what the second "H" stands for :)

JM
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: Jamjar on Tuesday 28 July 20 05:26 BST (UK): I too wondered about the 2nd H, JM. :)

Family of Matilda WILLMOTT née CLOTHER

Dec 1846 N Aylesford 5 607
CLOTHER John
GOODHAND Matilda

1814, John CLOTHER christening. Parents George and Elizabeth:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J9VH-DBV

Deaths:

CLOTHER, MATILDA 65
GRO Reference: 1885 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 311

CLOTHER, JOHN 89
GRO Reference: 1903 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 371
Probate to Maria Louisa: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPL7-DRK5

1841, John CLOTHER: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQK2-L7N

1841, Matilda GOODHAND: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQKP-45H

1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGLW-YS7

1861: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2MP-CWX6

1881: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27W-WZ52

1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJ12-3PZ

1901, father: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9FN-MLS
Daughters: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9FN-ML7

1911, Elizabeth and Maria: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDN-YMD

CLOTHER, MATILDA mmn GOODHAND
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 05 Page 403
Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJDK-1V16

CLOTHER, ELIZABETH mmn GOODHAND
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 05 Page 429
Death:
CLOTHER, ELIZABETH 71
GRO Reference: 1921 S Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 690

CLOTHER, MARIA LOUISA mmn GOODHAND
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 257
Death:
CLOTHER, MARIA LOUISA 72
GRO Reference: 1925 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 992

CLOTHER, EMMA mmn GOODHAND
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 265
Death: CLOTHER, EMMA 96
GRO Reference: 1952 D Quarter in THANET Volume 05B Page 880

CLOTHER, JOHN WILLIAM mmn GOODHAND
GRO Reference: 1857 S Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 300
Married:
Dec 1877 Medway 2a 759
CLOTHER John William
RICHARDS Ann Frances
Deaths:
CLOTHER, JOHN WILLIAM 59
GRO Reference: 1917 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 922
Probate: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPLD-VTC1
CLOTHER, ANN FRANCES 84
GRO Reference: 1941 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 2468
1891: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJ1Y-5W2
1901: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X9FN-M2T
1911: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDN-Y25
Children:
CLOTHER, JOHN WILLIAM ALFRED mmn RICHARDS
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 523
Married:
Mar 1914 Medway 2a 1059
CLOTHER John W A
DAVIES Sarah
Death:
CLOTHER, JOHN WILLIAM ALFRED 58
GRO Reference: 1936 S Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 835
Children:
CLOTHER, LOUISA LILIAN MAY mmn DAVIES died Mar 1914
GRO Reference: 1914 M Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 1412
CLOTHER, JOHN WILLIAM mmn DAVIES died Jun 1919
GRO Reference: 1919 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 987
CLOTHER, MARIAN EDITH mmn DAVIES died Jun 1919
GRO Reference: 1919 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 987

CLOTHER, LILLIAN MAUD mmn RICHARDS
GRO Reference: 1880 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 558
Married:
Sep 1902 Medway 2a 1381
COUCHMAN John Baker
CLOTHER Lilian Maud
Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QJD2-DCYR
Deaths:
COUCHMAN, JOHN BAKER 30
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in ISLINGTON Volume 01B Page 133
Jun 1972 Brent 5a 534
COUCHMAN Lilian Maud 5 Apr 1880
Child:
COUCHMAN, DORIS LILIAN mmn CLOTHER
GRO Reference: 1904 D Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 769

CLOTHER, VIOLET LUCY mmn RICHARDS died Mar 1883
GRO Reference: 1882 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 573

CLOTHER, GERTRUDE MATILDA mmn RICHARDS
GRO Reference: 1886 J Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 562
Married:
Sep 1911 Medway 2a 1542
HELLENBURGH Ernest D
CLOTHER Gertrude M
Deaths:
Mar 1963 CHATHAM 5B 553
HELLENBURGH ERNEST D 78
Mar 1969 CHATHAM 5F 307
HELLENBURGH GERTRUDE M 83
Children:
HELLENBURGH, DOROTHY VIOLET mmn CLOTHER
GRO Reference: 1918 S Quarter in MEDWAY Volume 02A Page 116
Married:
Mar 1940 Medway 2a 3147
THOMAS Alec W
HELLENBURGH Dorothy V

Jun 1921 Medway 2a 1520
HELLENBURGH Arthur J mmn CLOTHER
HELLENBURGH Lilian E mmn CLOTHER died Sep 1921

Jamjar
Title: Re: Look up ER record Ernest G WILLMOTT
Post by: nicdigby on Saturday 15 August 20 22:48 BST (UK): Thank you so much for your help with this, much appreciated and really useful. I am now in contact with the family. :)

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