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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Dunbartonshire => Topic started by: NDRFT on Thursday 13 August 20 09:02 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone
Mods - can you link this to Essex and maybe USA/Michigan please where we know this man had links.
Essentially I am looking for his death /burial / re marriage - anything but he is so elusive after 1932. There are 2 CLACHER families from Dunbartonshire and so I shall list what we know, which I hope may help one of you good folk help me find out what happened to Hector.
We think in or after 1932 he may have returned to the USA without his wife and family?
B - 19 Jan 1898 Dumbarton
1901 - 10 Rochead Place, Dumbarton with parents
4 June 1918 - RAF
10 Oct 1921 m - Dumbarton to Catherine CAMPBELL
1922 - Dumbarton - daughter Bernadette Maria CLACHER born
11 Aug 1922 Departs Glasgow for USA
19 Aug 1922 Arrives Canada
21 Aug 1922 Arrives Michigan USA
16 Mar 1923 wife and daughter depart Glasgow for Canada en route to Detroit
1924 Detroit - daughter Catherine Campbell CLACHER born
1927 Detroit daughter Gloria Ann CLACHER (aka Annie) born
1928 Detroit son James Paul CLACHER (aka Sonny) born
2 Oct 1930 Departs Montreal
10 Oct 1930 Arrives Liverpool
1932 Dumbarton son Daniel Campbell CLACHER born
then nothing
1939 - registers show wife (married) and 4 children in Hornchurch, Essex - No Hector
Hector did work for the Ford Motor Company in Detroit and possibly in Essex.
His wife and children frequently traveled between Dumbarton and Detroit until 1932.
His mother moved to Detroit after 1939 and died there as did some of his children. Therefore we assume strong links continued in Detroit after the family came back to UK in 1932
His wife is buried in Dumbarton D;6 March 1967
Any suggestions please?
Thank you for taking the time to have a read
NDRFT
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There is a Hector Clacher , tenent , house 92 West Bridgend Dumbarton , on the Valuation Rolls 1935.
ev
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Does his wife have an occupation in 1939 other than the 'normal' married womens one of Unpaid Domestic that would infer she was financially supporting herself and the family.
If he was in the RAF earlier perhaps he rejoined for WW2 in which case he would not be on the 1939 register.
What information does Catherines death certificate give
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Rosie...Wife is listed as Married to Hector... informant was son Daniel
He didn't die in Michigan under the given name Hector; could be David I see nothing on SP, or UKBMD except for a David. If she was buried then perhaps he is with her.
Nothing in the British Newspaper Archives for her or him but then there are many local/weekly papers they do not cover. Perhaps someone who has access to the US Newspapers mind find mention of him in Wayne County.
Don
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Rosie
Wife is Unpaid domestic
He was in the RAF at the end of WW1 but did not serve in WW2 - by then he was a reserved occ skilled worker for Ford - according to family folklore. The informant on the death cert was the father of the guy I am helping with this.Thank you for your suggestion / questions
ev
that's new - thank you
DonM - thank you We don't think its him as David because the preceding data for that David takes us to the other CLACHER family at least so far !!!
Thank you for looking each of you
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Have you seen the David MW Clacher in Burgess Hill, Sussex in 1939. Date of birth 19 Nov 1898. an electrical engineer.
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Hi Shaun
Yes and spent loads of time discounting him - thats the 2nd CLACHER family.
Thank you
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Daniel's death 2001, Southend
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVZF-Y126
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Presumably, the daughter's marriage in 1949 Southend?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVD4-BXBD
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James Paul's Grave, Delaware, USA
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/111021075/james-p_-clacher
His wife June's grave & Obit Delaware, USA
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/142108147/june-m-clacher
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Rosie...Wife is listed as Married to Hector... informant was son Daniel
Thank you :)
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His mother moved to Detroit after 1939 and died there as did some of his children. Therefore we assume strong links continued in Detroit after the family came back to UK in 1932
I think Hector's mother Ann Clacher is in Detroit in the 1930 census with his sisters Ann, Agnes and Alice. His brother in law Daniel Campbell also lived in Detroit per James Paul Clacher's 1946 draft registration.
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Klouman
Yes that is correct they are details we have for his children all of which have now died and there are no clues at present from them or thier estates / documents
If it helps anyone I can list the children dates partners etc butI did not want to over load the intial question i e . where did Hector die and is he buried?
Thank you
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Hi Shaun
Yes she and her children went there in 1927. She came back here on 1 Jan 1931 arriving on 11 Jan 1931 at Liverpool. In 1940 she was a widow and back in Michigan living with her daughter Alice and Alice's husband Cazpar Lozon.
Thats one of the principle reasons why we think Hector went back to USA after 1935 (thanks to ev's find today) leaving his family here in the UK.
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Detroit Free Press clipping 1970. "the late Hector David" mentioned in his mother's death intimation
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/30775387/detroit-free-press/
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Kloumann
Amazing - that's getting closer now. Thank you. I reckon he was in USA when he died and not long before 1970
NDRFT
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Hi NDRFT
Try linking your topic to the US section. You may get more from the gurus across the pond.
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Yes thank you. I asked the Mods to do so in my opening quest on this thread.
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Good timeline you have there for Hector. Just adding two more items (which you likely already have!):
1922 Naturalization records www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:45G3-LVT2
1930 US Census www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X794-NW4
Monica
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Do Scottish death certificates state whether someone was a widow when they died. :-\
If his wife died in 1967 and her death has her as 'Wife of Hector' does that mean he was still alive then but dead before his mother passed away in 1970.
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Rosie
Were you just listening to my telephone conversation 1/2 hr ago with Hectors Grand son - that's just the question I have asked - he's off looking to see if he has the cert or if we need to get a copy.
I shall let you know
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Monica
Thank you I have those records but have also now signed up to that web site
Thanks
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My hearing isn't that good ;D
Rosie...Wife is listed as Married to Hector... informant was son Daniel
Don
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Do Scottish death certificates state whether someone was a widow when they died. :-\
Yes. The marital status of the deceased is always shown, and from 1860 onwards the name(s) of any spouses, living or dead, assuming of course that whoever registered the death knew about all the spouses, which is not always the case.
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Thank you - thats cleared up one point - appreciated
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As I said before she was married not widow but married.
Don
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Yes thank you again Don.
The chap I am helping is Hectors Grand son.
He was born 1960 and remembers his Granny but does not recall ever having met nor knew his Grand dad which is why it is thought he was estranged from his family and they now wonder where he was, where he died and where he may be buried - hence my initiation of this thread.
So your help and that of the others suggests he was still alive when Granny died 6 March 1967 in Dumbarton where she is buried.
This is great progress
Thank you
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I have the image of Catherine's death. Not how we usually see them on SP
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/images-pdf/D1967_496_00_0060Z
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Hi Kloumann
The hyper link failed so I have logged in to SP and down loaded the death cert. Thank you for the prompt
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Hello. I am also trying to find out what became of Hector. I am doing a favour for a grandson of his! My man has the initials DC. Is it the same bloke? :) I have much the same info as yourself. I advised my man to contact the Ford Motor Company personnel archives to see if they have a pension or employee record, but then covid hit and I don't know how far he got on that. Steve UK
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I have information on this person ,? Are you still looking. He is on a family tred I have access to .
Jgm
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Yes please. :)
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Stevemof and jgm
I am still searching away for info on Hector. Any help would be most welcome.
My friend _ DC is Hectors Grand son - he is aged 63 and has been looking a long time.
jgm - if you have info perhaps you could share it and send me what you have please?
Stevemof - how shall we discover if we are looking on behalf of the same person - my chap was a Policeman?
Thanks
Nigel
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I have this person on a family tree, the dates of 1941-1970 .is mentioned .
Do you have a family tree, do you wish to exchange information?
Jgm
There are other family members.