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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: durhamgirl73 on Tuesday 06 October 20 15:19 BST (UK)
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I am trying to confirm a dna connection.
I think I know the connection but the other party has different information.
From my information:
Ann Blackburn married Joseph Bulmer then George Brown (A and J son Richard Bulmer is my ancestor, A and J son John Bulmer is who I think their ancestor is)
1841 England census living in Kelloe, Durham (Ann Brown with husband and children including Richard and John Bulmer from her first marriage)
Page Number:9 Registration Number:HO107 Piece/Folio:313/47
John Bulmer married Ann Scott in 1846 (Houghton-le-Spring RD)
daughter Ann Bulmer born 1847 (same district)
the other person has slightly different information - John married Mary Ann Scott, daugher Ann born Hartlepool (but that would be different district), John on later census in England but daughter Ann in USA (arriving 1851-1856), John born Hertfordshire not Northumberland.
The last document I have for John is the 1841 census - then in 1847 daughter born so still in England - I wasn't able to find any more children.
So I was wondering if anyone could find any information after 1847 regarding the family - daughter Ann married John A Martin in 1865 West Virginia.
Thankyou
I think I am correct as I am working from the past to present and a shared match with us is to Ann Blackburn.
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1841 census
Both Richard 20 and his brother John 15 were born out of county, both miners
Ann Bulmer aged 15 was born in county.
Ann Brown aged 40 was also not born in county
Piece 313 book 14 folio 48 (not 47) page 9
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Richard and John born Northumberland (Ann is their sister) - I am looking for John's family after this - he married Ann Scott and had daughter also Ann.
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I was just posting the 1841 info for reference
1847, the only Ann Bulmer/ Scott birth is Houghton Le Spring... nothing in Hartlepool
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Thankyou
I'm just trying to gather information to give to the other person to prove I have the correct information for John Bulmer.
Would there be any records of them moving to USA?
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I know but we need to compare both sets of info ;D
Ann Scott and John Bulmer
Marriage Date: 6 Jun 1846
Marriage Place: Houghton-Le-Spring, Durham, England
father John Scott
father Joseph Bulmer
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Immigration records that far back are a bit scant
familysearch has some but you have to trawl and unless you know an approximate date then its almost impossible. Ancestry has some but again its hit and miss
where did they settle in America?
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John's daughter Ann is unlikely to have arrived in America (West Virginia?) 1551-1856 on her own leaving her father back in England unless he had died and she went with her mother.
She was only 18 when she married in West Virginia either arrived much earlier, met her husband to be on the boat or travelled with him and married there.
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From their information :
arrived in USA 1852 (source 1910 USA census)
arrived in USA 1856 (source 1900 USA census)
I should then try to find them on 1851 UK census!
daughter Ann's first child born Kentucky, others born West Virginia, Indiana...they must have moved around for work!
Ann's husband born in Durham, England
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The other person has 1851 data for a different family in Hartlepool
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So she arrived as a young child but married a man from Durham?
I think the arrival dates quoted on the later census are a little suspect for some reason or other ;D
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I know they have some wrong information! ;D
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baptism for Ann Bulmer
Ann Bulmer
bapt 28 Mar 1847
West Rainton, Durham, England, United Kingdom
Father John Bulmer
Mother Ann
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Ok so I have been looking at the various trees for Ann Bulmer daughter of John.
There seems to be lots of copying and variations but none have decisive proof of parentage of Ann Bulmer.
Her death certificate in Washington may have her parents names on it. Do you have a copy? there is only a short transcript on Ancestry
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I don't have a copy of her death certificate - They say she died in 1925 (Anna Martin) Washington select death records.
I will just give them details I have (and the information you have given me) and they can decide if they want to change some people in their tree.
Thankyou for your help ;D
I've just found a possble entry in 1851
Ann Bulmer living with/with grandma Ann Scott
Page Number:
26
Registration Number:
HO107
Piece/Folio:
2393 / 599
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Her Burial
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/5309805/ann-martin
I'll go and look at 1851
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1851 looks promising (some trees have Moorsley as a birth place)
Need to check if Ann Scott had a daughter Ann
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There are no deaths for John and Ann Bulmer between 1847-1851 (GRO have ages on the index search)
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possible 1841 for Ann Scott and mother Ann
Page Number:
1
Registration Number:
HO107
Piece/Folio:
312/3
still looking for John and Ann in 1851!
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Houghton Le Spring
Ann Scott 40
Elizabeth Scott 15
Margaet Scott 15
Ann Scott 10
HO107; Piece: 312; Book: 15 Page: 1;
baptism
Ann Scott
12 Oct 1828 Rainton, Durham
father James Scott
mother Ann Scott
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sister margaret
bapt 1 Aug 1827
Father James Scott
mother Ann Scott
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Burials (Durham records online)
Houghton-le-Spring 1838
James Scott born abt 1782
address Low Moorsley
I don't have a current sub for DRO sadly
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There is another Baptism for Ann Scott with Parents James and Ann
DRO again
Baptisms
Rainton co Durham
6 Oct 1830
Ann Scott
address Low Moorsley
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thankyou :)
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This is the Bt of the burial found for James Scott. Image is faint but looks like he died Nov 4 and was buried Nov 6.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XKP9-93L?i=255&wc=9K5S-T3L%3A13618101%2C27228401%2C26601602&cc=1309819
William
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thankyou :)
still having trouble finding John and Ann in 1851 - could they have gone to USA, left daughter with Ann's mam then Ann went few years later?
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And this is the baptism for Ann Scott. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XKP1-RQ?i=68&wc=9K5S-T3L%3A13618101%2C27228401%2C26601602&cc=1309819
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James Scott who died in 1838 left a will.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9396-ZRDH-R
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thankyou :)
still having trouble finding John and Ann in 1851 - could they have gone to USA, left daughter with Ann's mam then Ann went few years later?
Well they didn't die so must have gone somewhere, but it doesn't mean they went to America.
I would follow Ann Scott's husband, John Martin, back in Durham to see if he also came from the same area as Ann. He is a bit older than her and my bet they ran off together.
Does the DNA suggest this is the connection?
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image of Ann Scott's baptism in 1830
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XKP1-RQ?i=68&wc=9K5S-T3L%3A13618101%2C27228401%2C26601602&cc=1309819
burial of older sister Ann Scott (one that was bapt in 1828)
Death of Ann Scott
burial 10 Feb 1830
Ann Scott dau of James Scott
age 1 1/2 years
abode East Rainton
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perhaps a cousin?
Rainton Chapel Houghton le Spring
7 Jul 1930
Elizabeth Scott
father THOMAS Scott
mother ANN Scott
address Moorsley
fathers occupation pitman
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XKP9-MCT?i=66&wc=9K5S-T3L%3A13618101%2C27228401%2C26601602&cc=1309819
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baptism of first Ann Scott 1828-1830
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-XKP1-2Y?i=24&wc=9K5S-T3L%3A13618101%2C27228401%2C26601602&cc=1309819
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a very nice copy of the marriage certificate which confirms her mother as Ann Bulmer, no mention of her father though
http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view2.aspx?FilmNumber=567389&ImageNumber=375
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thanks again for all the research you've done :)
I think Joseph Bulmer and Ann Blackburn are our common ancestors - son Richard is my ancestor and son John is their ancestor.
A shared match with us is through Ann Blackburns second marriage so therefore would not be connected to a Bulmer who was another generation back.
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Ann was born in 1847 - if she went to USA 1852 or 1856 (as mentioned in usa census) she was only 5 or 9 so I don't think she ran away to America with her future husband!
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No but they were not always truthful on when stating when they arrived in America
From her marriage cert, it gives the impression she may have gone with her mother.
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this is who they have for her husband - John Martin born c1828 Hett, Durham
1851 census
Page Number:
54
Registration Number:
HO107
Piece/Folio:
2392 / 203
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Yes I found that and it looks right.
I did find a Martin family with John and Ann but head of the family were not George and Elizabeth. Ages were a bit far out.
Just trying to think out of the box a little perhaps they were looking after Ann, who knows.