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Title: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: teach3r on Wednesday 28 October 20 12:37 GMT (UK)
Good afternoon and thank you for any help that can be given.  i have attached an extract from my maternal grandmother's (My mum's mum)order of service which mentions a family story about how good a singer my Nan was and the opportunities she was unable to take.

It is also seems to imply that the original article can be found in the February 1937 Daily Mirror but despite many hours and days of searching I keep drawing a blank.

I would be grateful if there is a miracle worker out there who is able to find this original newspaper article please?

Many thanks,

Nic
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: CaroleW on Wednesday 28 October 20 13:44 GMT (UK)
I suspect she was unmarried in 1937 (golden voiced at 12) but you have not given her maiden name/birthyear/ where she was from etc.  If you are searching for an article under Eustace then perhaps that's why you can't find it.  Did she marry in 1945 - nee Davies?  Born 1924 - Died 2016 Berkshire

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can be found in the February 1937 Daily Mirror

Which area - hard to read on photo



Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: Girl Guide on Wednesday 28 October 20 14:06 GMT (UK)
I'm wondering if the report is in a Welsh newspaper.  If she was 12 in 1937 that makes her born 1924/25.

Do you have any idea of where she was living at the age of 12?
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 28 October 20 14:56 GMT (UK)
You say it is in the Daily Mirror but it looks as though it says 'or Daily Mirror'
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: JenB on Wednesday 28 October 20 15:02 GMT (UK)
I think the words before 'Daily Mirror' are in Welsh.

Chwefror is February.
I think Torrwyd might be something like 'cut' (i.e. cutting from)

We need Trystan.

Edit: sorry, the OP has already said it's from a February article  :-[

Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: Little Nell on Wednesday 28 October 20 15:11 GMT (UK)
Yes, nee Davies - I can just see it on an enlargement of the article.  And she is referred to as Hattie.

Nell
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: Girl Guide on Wednesday 28 October 20 15:12 GMT (UK)
It looks as though Harriet, referred to as Hattie in the snippet, was living at Gwyddelwern.  I enlarged the section after downloading and there is a place called Gwyddelwern.
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: JenB on Wednesday 28 October 20 15:14 GMT (UK)
The Daily Mirror is searchable for 1937, but, like the OP I can find nothing. There are lots of pages about people being 'golden voiced' but none about Harriet/Hattie that I can see.
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: Girl Guide on Wednesday 28 October 20 15:21 GMT (UK)
I think this may be Harriet's birth record:-

Births Sep 1924

Davies    Harriet E    Evans    Corwen    11b   552

Corwen covers Gwyddelwern

She is in Merionethshire with her widowed mother and others in the 1939 Register.  Her date of  birth would match the birth registration given above.

Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: teach3r on Wednesday 28 October 20 16:52 GMT (UK)
Thank you for everyone's help so far - it is very much appreciated.  As my OP mentioned, it is the original newspaper article that I am trying to find.  I have included attached details about my Nan:
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: Girl Guide on Wednesday 28 October 20 17:04 GMT (UK)
I think you will have to consider contacting the National Library of Wales and ask them if they have any newspapers for 1937.

Contact details:-  gofyn@llgc.org.uk
Phone. 01970 632 800

Email them and explain what you are looking for and attach a copy of the newspaper clipping that you have.  Then you will have to wait and see what response you get.

I don't know if there was a local Welsh Daily Mirror which is now defunct which is why no-one can find anything on the British Newspaper Archive or Find My Past.  It may be that the 1937 edition has not been put online.
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: teach3r on Thursday 29 October 20 08:56 GMT (UK)
Thank you, Girl Guide - I have just emailed NLW as you suggested.  Thank you for the advice  I will update this post if and when I get a reply.

Regards,

Nic
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: Girl Guide on Thursday 29 October 20 09:01 GMT (UK)
I shall look forward to seeing what response you get.  Let's hope that it is helpful.  :)
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: teach3r on Thursday 29 October 20 09:50 GMT (UK)
I may have to wait a bit as "There will be a restricted Enquiries Service for an unspecified period due to the uncertainty caused by COVID-19. We will attempt to answer all enquiries if practically possible and hope to return to a full service soon."
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: Girl Guide on Thursday 29 October 20 10:11 GMT (UK)
Yes, not a lot you can do about that.  Just have to wait until they can respond to your query.  They will get back to you but it will take longer than their usual length of time. 

Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: radstockjeff on Thursday 29 October 20 10:13 GMT (UK)
I may have to wait a bit as "There will be a restricted Enquiries Service for an unspecified period due to the uncertainty caused by COVID-19. We will attempt to answer all enquiries if practically possible and hope to return to a full service soon."
This is a common problem with the "working from home" regime.
 
I have recently been trying to get a view from the local Planning dept regarding a proposal before embarking on a full blown application.

A "preapp" enquiry was £75 and submitted with the application in July this year. I had an acknowledgement that they had received it and registered it on 10th October (having cashed my cheque back in July!), and had allocated it to a Case Officer.

To add insult to injury when I enquired this week as to any further progress I was told that the CO was now on study leave followed by annual leave and would be back in the office around 9th November.  Bah!
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: JenB on Thursday 29 October 20 10:20 GMT (UK)
Very top left of the cutting is a number 46. Is that a page number do you think, or something left over from another article?

If it's a page number then the article is unlikely to be from the national Daily Mirror, which only ran to 28 pages at that time as far as I can see.
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: teach3r on Thursday 29 October 20 10:25 GMT (UK)
Well spotted Jen B - interesting observation!
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: JenB on Thursday 29 October 20 10:27 GMT (UK)
I thought perhaps the Sunday Mirror, but that was called the Sunday Pictorial until 1963, and in any case only consisted of 44 pages at the relevant time.
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: Girl Guide on Thursday 29 October 20 10:31 GMT (UK)
If you look very carefully it looks to me as though the cutting has been placed on top of something else.  The article has rough edges which suggests that it was torn out of the paper.  Just to the right of the article you can see what appears to be part of a word that belongs to the paper underneath.

There is also a thin black line under the 46 which disappears under the article and reappears on the other side.

So it could still be from the Daily Mirror but perhaps a local one to the area.
Title: Re: Help finding newspaper article from handwritten note order of service.
Post by: JenB on Thursday 29 October 20 10:38 GMT (UK)
I am inclined to agree with GG that this could well be from a local newspaper.

If it was from a national daily, particularly one printed in London I'd perhaps have expected a little more about where the village was located. It seems to imply local knowledge by just giving the village name.

Unfortunately the excellent online coverage of Welsh newspapers via the National Library website only goes up to 1919.