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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: brigidmac on Sunday 28 March 21 18:55 BST (UK)
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In 1925 Ely NESS was with his wife Bessie and 4 children and his father in law in altamont Franklin
But in 1926 he is on a boat with
" wife " Ella leaving 233 cheatham hill Street in Manchester UK
+ On border crossings to Mexico in later years
He is cited as husband same birthdate and place of origin on naturalization document of Ella Cohn Ness ./Ella Essinger 1940 both residing
Hamilton hotel Laredo Texas
Ely NESS died in Mexico in 1949
There are documents on ancestry relating to this but they are in Spanish and hard to decipher
One may be a will in Spanish with lots of details and lists his wife Bessie including her parents names both listed deceased
And an address of Stockton Street
The document is 3 pages long and signed by Ely NESS there is a stamp but no obvious date
I can't find any evidence of a legal marriage between Ely and Ella Essinger nee Cohn
( According to a daughter of family friend of his daughter he had a bad reputation )
Why would his Mexican will only mention his first wife ? If he only lived there after his remiarrige
Trying to attach snippet of document
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On petition for naturalization - Southern Dist Texas it this marriage
Ella Cohn Ness / Ella Cohn / Ella Essinger married Ely Ness married 6 November 1924 Greenwich Connecticut.
Sandra
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Yes that's the naturalization petition
She says she is married but where is the evidence +# I hadn't actually seen that there was a date and place given
The Mexican stamp on attached document covers first sentence but I think on next page it says
ano mil noniente et quattro
Which I take to mean 1924 before Ely and Bessie separated
Maybe he had a business in Mexico so wrote a will there .
I haven't found a death for Ella COHN ESSINGER NESS
both her daughter Anna Essinger
+ Ely's son Lew Perez NESS married in Mexico
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We can only put partial copies on the site - not full documents.
Federal District, Mexico, Civil Registration Death
Ella Cohn de Ness - 1890 - 30 September 1946 - aged 56 years - México, Distrito Federal, México (Mexico)
Father Maf Cohn - Mother Bertha Cohn - Spouse Ely Ness
Sandra
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Ely Ness - 1878 died 28 March 1948 - aged 70 years. Mexico
Spouse Bessie Ness.
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra
If he did marry Ella in 1924
I wonder why he was on census with first wife in 1925 ...doesn't make him a bigamist maybe just staying with ex wife and children
& In 1930 Bessie is down as head of household married with her 4 children but I suppose there was a stigma to putting divorced
Maybe the above document is a divorce
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The word for divorce is similar in spanish - divorcio .
Sandra
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Whatever the document is it gives lots of information
But I think it says Bessie's father's name Lazar and deceased
Her father Samuel was also known as Lazarus but was still alive in 1924
There are USA addresses given and David or Daniel Shapiro of 179 Floyd street is mentioned ...I have DNA matches to Shapiro s but don't know how they link
# correction There is another NESS name Max and ? I SHAFFER I think they were witnesses to something but it's not their signatures on this document
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Just under Yacatan stamp it says .
...del matrimonial
So looks like a reference to the marriage
Could it be an annulment or dissolution of a marriage?
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If you post a decent image of the full document, I'll translate it for you.
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Looks like he was investigate 31 July 1941
U.S., Subject Index to Correspondence and Case Files of the Immigration and Naturalization Service
Ely Ness suspected of purchasing articles for reshipment to Japan and whose activities have aroused
the suspicions of Mexican Government (wife Ella Ness)
Sandra
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Thanks for offer Errato
I can't copy document except as screenshots I managed to post that clip so I could try and get it on full page
Sandra thanks ; that shows he did have bad reputation
Where is the reference ?
I've checked the death records and small print does say Bessie NESS is divorced wife. Second wife Ella had predeceased him ..so maybe I should change title and not slander him .
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Errato is this decent enough of first page
If it's ok I can do the next bit
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Trying to post last page with signatures
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I think it's clear enough. I'll get started on it after I get supper organized.
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Very kind of you Errato
I think I've worked out mutual consent
And who lived in town of Brooklyn state of New York
You don't have to do it all
I am interested in knowing what the document is
and the bit about the witnesses and whether it says Bessie FELLMAN s father Lazar is dead
Meanwhile i.ll see if I can find Max NESS
* No luck so far
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Home Talk the Item - Brooklyn, New York 13 Jun 1928, Wed Page 16
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74571785/lazarus-fellman-13-june-1928/
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra
Another gem
I really meant where did you find the information about Ely NESS dodgy Japan deals
A contact on Ancestry who knew the NESS family thinks he may have been involved in a ring or organisation to smuggle Jewish people into USA.
She can't find any evidence of Ella in Connecticut either
But I doubt the marriage to Ella could have been one of convenience as he made several journeys with her starting in 1926 from Manchester
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Thanks Sandra
Another gem
I really meant where did you find the information about Ely NESS dodgy Japan deals
A contact on Ancestry who knew the NESS family thinks he may have been involved in a ring or organisation to smuggle Jewish people into USA.
She can't find any evidence of Ella in Connecticut either
But I doubt the marriage to Ella could have been one of convenience as he made several journeys with her starting in 1926 from Manchester
Ancestry document.
Sandra
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I ll take another look for that .
I didn't find any connections to Max NESS but there are some DNA matches with Jacob David Shapiro and Others with SHAFFER s of similar ages living in Texas .
I thought it was interesting that Ella's address on naturalization document was Hamilton Hotel
And that she was described as being Swiss nationality
Wasn't expecting a physical description too
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Rough translation [I HATE legalistic Spanish]. Basically, Ely presented his marriage license/certificate to the Mexican authorities to have it recognized in Mexico. I've broken the document up into paragraphs to make it more understandable. I don't know why there isn't full data for Ely. I gave up in the last paragraph. [Sorry].
In Mérida, at 8 o/c in the morning [crossed out and amended to 16 hours and 40 minutes] on 25 [crossed out and amended to 20] of September 1924 Mr. Ely Ness, 47 years old, married, merchant, temporarily in this city and resident in the city of New York, appeared before me, José Evaristo Iturralde, General Director of the State Civil Registry and Official of the Capital Branch presenting a duly legalized certificate as proof of his marriage to Mrs. Bessie Fellman, 40 years of age, ??? in the city of Brooklyn, NY, United States on 26 January 1913 and requesting that, in accordance with articles 135 of the ??? Code and 55 of the Civil Code reformed by decrees number 331 and 332 of 2 April 1923, this certificate which, faithfully translated by Mr. Benturo? Ríos Franco reads as follows:
"New York State Department of Health, Bureau of Demographic Statistics, Marriage License, This certificate permits any person authorized by the law to celebrate marriages in the State of New York [blah, blah, blah] to perform the rites of marriage between Ely Ness of Brooklyn, Kings County, NY and Bessie Fellman of Brooklyn, Kings County, NY and to deliver under his signature and official ministerial seal that the subjects are those referred to in this certificate. All of the data transcribed here and subscribed by me are true and correct as [they] appear in the statements made to me by [can't read this bit - page cut off] .......
..... marriage: First. Previous spouse or spouses, living or dead: None. Is the subject divorced: No. Name: Bessie Fellman. Color: White. Residence: 260 ?? Street. Age: 30 years. Occupation: Seamstress. Birth place: ?? Russia. Father's name: Lazar. Birth place: [cut off]. Mother's name: Augusta Landeman? Birth place: [cut off].
Number of marriage: First. Previous spouse or spouses, living or dead: None. Is the subject divorced: No.
Marriage Certificate
I, David Shapiro, Rabi, residing at 173 Floyd Street in Kings County, NY, certify that on 26 January 1913 in the city of Brooklyn, Kings County, NY I have performed the marriage of Ely Ness of Brooklyn, Kings County, NY and Bessie Fellman of Brooklyn, Kings County, NY in the presence of Max Ness and [cut off] Shaffer as witnesses, the license for which is [I can't make this bit out]. Present: Max Ness, y ? Shaffer. - David Shapiro, 173 Floyd Street, Brooklyn, NY."
.... in the Consulate of Mexico in the city of New York, signed by Alberto Mascareños? and dated 3 September 1924. Signed by the translator of [cut off]: Benturo Ríos Franco, single, lawyer and Edilberto? Banerdo?, merchant, both of full age and blah, blah, blah .....
Ely Ness José Iturralde
B. Ríos Franco Edilberto Banerdo?
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I didn't find the dodgy deal document
But I looked up publications on ancestry and found a lovely article 1937 about his daughter.pearls engagement
With a photo
It describes her parents as Bessie Ness of Tupper lake and Ely NESS of Mexico and says that Pearl had studied in Mexico
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Posted same time
Many thanks Errato
That is fantastic the date of marriage was correct and her mother was known as Augusta landsman
So it's a translation of the marriage record could be in order for him to divorce .
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Ps Bessie had worked in clothing industry before marriage
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Yes that's the naturalization petition
She says she is married but where is the evidence +# I hadn't actually seen that there was a date and place given
If he did marry Ella in 1924
First Last First Last Date Married City Married
ELY NESS ELLA ESSINGER 1924-11-06 GREENWICH
https://www.ctatatelibrarydata.org/marriage-records/
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You can order a copy of the marrige cerificate for $20.
https://portal.ct.gov/DPH/Vital-Records/Marriage-and-Civil-Union-Certificates
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RJ well found thanks
So ..
he got married in June 1924 but needed a translation of his first marriage in September .of same year
I wonder why .
I won't get the certificate as I have information about their parents occupation and Ella's first husband
I have a hard enough time ordering British certificates
Is that GREENWICH Connecticut Usa or could it be another Greenwich ?
I followed up the ESSINGER connection I little bit because it was the surname of my mother's best friend .her husband lost all his family in the Holocaust !
Ely must have stayed close to his children as he was with the family in 1925 Census ....where was his new bride and her 7 year old daughter Ann ESSINGER ?
His eldest daughter studied in Mexico
And his eldest son Lew Perez NESS married and had children there .
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So ..
he got married in June 1924 but needed a translation of his first marriage in September .of same year
These are records are in American date format. He got married in November. Date would be November 6, 1924
This was in Greenwich, Connecticut
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Ely must have stayed close to his children as he was with the family in 1925 Census ....where was his new bride and her 7 year old daughter Ann ESSINGER ?
His eldest daughter studied in Mexico
And his eldest son Lew Perez NESS married and had children there .
There are lots of newspaper clippings about them and their children. The children often visited Ely in Mexico. Bessie's obit in 1980 mentions son Lew of Mexico City. I see an article about Lew & his wife, of Mexico City coming to visit Bessie at Tupper Lake in 1953.
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The anc tree doesn't seem to have a copy Brigid - I know you have loads of info but just in case you haven't seen it.
Sandra
Tupper Lake Free Press - 20 February 1980
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qhf/
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Mark Clements - husband of Pearle - Mark passed away 8 September 2004 The Clough Center in New London.
https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/mark-clements-obituary?pid=2602819
Mark and Pearle Clements Internship Awards Offered to Students Seeking Unique Internships
https://news.syr.edu/blog/2018/01/25/mark-and-pearle-clements-internship-awards-offered-to-students-seeking-unique-internships/
Sandra
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Janet Ness Kramer - 24 March 2004 - Tupper Lake Herald
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qhg/
Sandra
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Thanks so much for that Sandra
I think I found a similar clip for obit of Bessie FELLMAN NESS
+ Knew about the Clements grant but it was lovely to see a clear explanation
I don't have the extra newspaper subs
Some records I can open and some I can only see preview of .
Also When I tried to search Ely NESS
I got lots of hits which just happened to have word endings ely and Ness in same paragraph ....maybe searching from UK doesn't render the same results
I'd love to know more about the son L C N
and his children in Mexico he's probably still living.
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Don't think this one was include in your tree.
Article which mentions Lew Ness winning his Captains Bars.
Tupper Lake free press and Tupper Lake herald., July 20, 1944, Page 1, Image 1
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qhh/
Discharge - Tupper Lake free press and Tupper Lake herald., July 26, 1945, Page 3, Image 3
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01qhi/
Sandra
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Marriage Capt Lew P Ness - St. Louis Post-Dispatch
St. Louis, Missouri 24 Jun 1945, Sun Page 45
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74785055/capt-lew-p-ness-joyce-berenstein-24/
Sandra
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Looks like Joyce Dorothy Berenstein remarried in 1947 -Joyce Dorothy Berenstein
Marriage Date 26 Oct 1947 Missouri
Record Place Jackson, Missouri' - Spouse Sam Price.
Joyce Dorothy Price - Joyce Dorothy Berenstein
Birth Date 28 Dec 1925 Missouri
Death Date 22 May 1983 San Diego
Mother's Maiden Name Alperin - Father's Surname Berenstein.
Obit Sam Price - The Mexia Daily News Mexia, Texas 28 Jan 1972, Fri Page 6
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74785956/obituary-for-sam-price-aged-44/
Sandra
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As usual I'm having a job Keeping up with you sandra
I've just been re reading my topic about FELLMAN. Girls and the obits I'd seen were of course posted by you 6 years ago !
Some of the news articles and links don't open for me now I don't know if that's because they are time limited
Thanks for finding refs to Lew
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No prob Brigid - doesn't time fly when your having fun.......... :) :)
I will have a re-read later Brigid if that's ok.
Take Care
Sandra
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It's very sad that Joyce Dorothy was getting remarried at 21 !
Too young at first marriage maybe hardly any time to have children
I wonder what happened to Lews first wife Mabel hope Dr called of Mexico
Any descendants of Joyce Dorothy and Sam PRICE. Won't be blood related
But if she did have any with Lew NESS. They would be .
The newspaper changed her name to Delia but all records I've found so far are Joyce Dorothy .!
I.ll have to reread the time line too .
Was told he had lots of children in Mexico !
He's quite dashing in his air force uniform .
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Correction
Lew s first wife was Mabel Hope Valle's
I didn't spot that auto correct or mistyping had some how changed VALLES to Dr
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Other correction
I.meant Lew NESS looked dashing in uniform I've not seen pictures of Sam PRICE
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Marriage Capt Lew P Ness - St. Louis Post-Dispatch
St. Louis, Missouri 24 Jun 1945, Sun Page 45
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/74785055/capt-lew-p-ness-joyce-berenstein-24/
Sandra
Was this not the first marriage in 1945 ?
Sandra
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Modified d
It was Joyce Dorothy s first marriage
so her first marriage didn't last long
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Lew married in Mexico
so it was his second marriage
I have a copy of the notice on my tree 🌲
Will check details after my comedy class
Sorry if I've worded it wrong or mixed something up
Thanks for keeping me on my toes Sandra
B
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Lew NESS first marriage ...he was 22
To Mabel Rosas deValles of Mexico
Can't read the dates it's in words
Mother Bessie spelt Feldman and maybe he's using Feldman surname
I think the convention was to give both parents names in surname so he is Lew NESS FELDMAN
& She is Mabel Rosas deValles Wilson
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"at 14:15 [2:15 pm] on 27 October 1948"
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Thanks Errato so it's the second marriage
I'd assumed he.d met his Mexican wife while studying in Mexico
But he probably returned to Mexico after split up with Joyce Dorothy