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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Leitrim => Topic started by: Kevwood on Saturday 03 April 21 11:31 BST (UK)
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Hi I have a John Clarke that marries Mary Clarke in South Shields, Durham in 1883, he’s in the England census in 1891, 1901 and 1911. Dies in 1914. He says he was born in Ardvoley in 1860, is there anyway I can find him before he moves to England? I can’t see him for certain in the 1881 England census even though I think he might be there as Mary moves there from Ireland before 1871 and she’s only 8 years old then so she must meet him there.
Can anyone help me find a baptism or anything that will help please, I’m not even certain where Ardvoley is as a google search doesn’t give much?
Any help greatly appreciated,
I will order their marriage certificate shortly, but that’s only going to give me fathers name anyway, might help if I have options to narrow down.
Did find a baptism from 1865 on the IGI but John always states 1860 on the censuses so I would think that’s correct. I’m aware registrations don’t start until 1864.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Kev.
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He wasn't the only Clarke from Ardvoley in South Shields. Have you looked at Patrick Clarke born 1869/70?
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Hi, yes, he marries Rose Robinson, he also has the same job as John, so could well be his brother but they aren’t together in England at all.
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Here is a Patrick b ‘Ardwaly’
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03384/2240801.pdf
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I think that’s probably the correct Patrick as in the 1891 England census he’s with a James and Nancy Feeney.
His parents say John Clarke and Rose PHEENEY
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John Clarke and Rose Feeney also have a Bridget in 1872 in Ardvoley, will see if she’s in England.
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As you know, the marriage certificate will give father’s name and occupation but also the witnesses may be connected.
Here is Catherine b 1874
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03149/2155038.pdf
I wonder if this is Rose?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Garvagh/Beagh/1486655/
Searches show Ardvoley, Beagh.
Death for Rose - widow of John, Beagh
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05444/4523086.pdf
Of course, none of this might connect to you. :-\
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Thank you loads for the help, yeah I’m not sure I will be able to connect them.
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Certificates but also if you are ever able to do so, baptisms within those two families. They could be sponsors for the children.
If I recall both families have Rose, although Patrick’s wife was Rose also.
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There could be another connection as Patrick’s wife Rose Robinson, looks like she may have been previously married and actually be Rose McFadden, the witness on Rose Feeneys death is also a McFadden.
John that I’m after has kids Rose, Mary, John, Ellen, Katherine, Nora, George, Winifred, Frank and Martin.
His wife Mary has siblings George and Ellen. So it actually looks reasonable, if you say Rose, John, Katherine are from his family.
Just speculating though lol
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Here’s the death of John Clarke - informant is Rose, his wife
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1875/020605/7229754.pdf
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Looking at 1901 census:
Patrick and family are living in Maxwell Street.
John and Mary are in Peel Street.
Both men are Gas Stokers.
A map shows that Peel Street runs off Maxwell Street.
https://www.old-maps.co.uk/#/Map/436337/566516/13/101249
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There may well be a connection between John Clarke and his wife Mary. Have you found that?
Here is a birth for Pat Clark/e son of Pat and Mary (Hannon) in 1868 - Inismagrath but father is living Newcastle.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1868/03441/2263436.pdf
There is a death in Newcastle, 1870 which is possible. He does not appear on 1871 census.
Then there is John Clark b 1865 - parents, Patrick and Mary nee Hannon - residence Ardvoley.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03573/2316797.pdf
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Thanks again, I’m finding more links, so John Clarke marries Mary Clarke, her parents are Patrick Clarke (1835 Enidmarth, Leitrim??) and Mary Hannon (1845 Leitrim) they live on Peel Street, next door to John and Mary in the 1891 census.
Patrick, John Clarke and Mary Feeneys son, sister Mary 1866 Ardvoley, marries Thomas Hannon.
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Posted that same time! That’s his wife’s family, I wondered if they are cousins!
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I think you need a big piece of paper :)
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Ha ha, I will cellotape some a4 sheets together! So now got matching Clarke’s, Feeneys and Hannons
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I’m finding more links, so John Clarke marries Mary Clarke, her parents are Patrick Clarke (1835 Enidmarth, Leitrim??)
Which census is this in? I have seen it one time but so many Clarke’s now that I can’t find it ::)
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Found it - 1881 5015/4/2
I wonder if it is https://www.townlands.ie/leitrim/inishmagrath/
The birth of Pat in 1868 refers to this place
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1881 census at 12 Peel Street, with two McFaddens and a Feeney as boarders. Mary and brother John born Kilkenny county, other kids Durham.
1891 at 10 Peel Street.
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Not too sure about Kilkenny either but the Leitrim birthplace is difficult too.
You might find Clark/e in Inishmagrath.
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Yeah I wasn’t sure but the John birth in Ardvoley matches as does Ellen the daughters birth has mother’s maiden name as Hannon