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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Kath Heywood Boon on Monday 10 May 21 15:10 BST (UK)
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I need someone to put me in the right direction to sort this out. In 1881 I have two cousins living next door to each other in Station Row, Blyth. One is William Herron aged 30 married to Elizabeth aged 26 with sons William and Richard. His cousin William Herron aged 30 married to Elizabeth Ann aged 23 with a daughter Elizabeth Jane lives next door. My problem is I don't know which Elizabeth is married to which William. I know one of the Elizabeth's maiden name is Crosby, but I don't know who she married, and I just don't know who the other Elizabeth is. Without having to buy marriage certificates, is there any way I can find out who married who? I hope this makes sense.
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try the GRO website, search for the births of the children and it will give you the mother's maiden name
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
you need to register for a (free) account before you can search
Boo
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I looked and though the boys' births were straightforward to find (MMN Crosby) , given their age on the census.
the girl was more difficult as there were two Elizabeth Jane Herron births registered in Tynemouth district (which includes Blyth) in 1880. (MMNs Marshall and Smith)
Looking on Free BMD for marriages for Herron and Marshall prior to 1880 only gives one result Archibald Herron and Ann Marshall in 1873
Marriages for Herron and Smith prior to 1880 shows a likely entry of William Herron and Elizabeth Ann Smith
I'd find the family on the next census and see if there were more children , check their names as a cross reference to be sure which of these girls is the one you are looking for.
Boo
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Morpeth Herald 19 Feb 1876
page 8 col 6
Marriages
At Earsdon Church 17th inst., Mr Wm Heron, coal miner, to Miss Elizabeth Ann Smith, both of Cowpen Quay, Blyth
Boo
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Hi Boo, thanks for all that information. I have done some further checking and have found the marriage information, but as you say the daughter is very elusive. I knew about Archibald having a daughter, as it's the same family, but will have to dig further to find out about William's daughter.
Kath
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As I said, one way to check is to see if by the next census these couples had any further children. Then check the GRO site to find the MMNs, that's a good starting point anyway to find out what you originally asked which was which wife of these Williams was Crosby and who was the other wife.
Boo
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Hi Boo, I have checked the next census and William, Elizabeth and daughter Elizabeth are not on it. I am now wondering if they emigrated.
Kath
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This 'may' be relevant?
Morpeth Herald 30 Sept 1882
page 5 col 5
On Monday evening, a miner, named William Herron, aged 30 years, died somewhat suddenly at his residence, West Row, Cowpen Colliery
Boo
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Hi Boo, I knew William Herron died in 1882, but I thought it was a pit accident. Nice to hear that it wasn't so traumatic, although the family would still be devastated at him dying so young. I know who his widow married. She went on to have a further 3 children and one of their sons was a local barber who had a shop at the bottom our the street I was brought up in.
Thanks for that information
Kath
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Hi Boo, just put this information with the rest of the 'stuff' and realised that in the time between the Census and his death he moved to West Row. His wife, Elizabeth, must have been passed herself, as she would have probably had to move out the colliery house after his death. Wonder where she ended up before she remarried around 1890ish
Kath
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This looks to be her re-marriage to Henry Brock
Q3 1890 Tynemouth 10b 290
and the 1891 census shows them in Cowpen
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:H3Q7-SW2
so when William died her youngest son, James, was just 9 months old. I'd assume she went to live with family, but as its between census years we may never know for sure.
As an aside, I looked on Marriage Locator
http://www.marriage-locator.co.uk
for her second marriage and that indicates they married at St Mary the Virgin, Horton Parish.
Nothing for this timeframe in the Family Search catalogue but the original registers are at Northumberland Archives.
If you know the church they do a copy service for a fee of £5 for a digital image that can be emailed to you - though I am unsure if you'd need the exact date of the marriage or if they will accept the year and quarter to use this service.
Or if you are in the area, you could visit when they are fully open again
Boo
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Looks like Henry Brock and Elizabeth had twins, who sadly both died very young?
Blyth News 01 Jul 1893
page 8 col 5
Deaths
Waterloo, Blyth, 24 ult., aged 5 months, Charles son of Henry Brock, miner.
Blyth News 30 Sep 1893
page 8 col 5
Deaths
Waterloo, Blyth, 26 inst., aged 8 months, Dorothy Alice, daughter of Henry Broock, coal miner
per GRO, births were registered in Q1 1893 with a MMN Crosby
Boo
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Hi Boo
I didn't know about Charles and Dorothy, but I do know that Henry Charles Brock was born March qtr 1891 and died Dec qtr 1891. When Dorothy died in 1893 Elizabeth must have been pregnant with Walter Henry, who was born Jan qtr 1894. It's so sad to learn about all the infantile deaths when you are doing your family tree, but I suppose it was part of life in that era.
Thanks for the info.
Kath
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I have a 'thing' about recording the babies born and died too soon on my tree. However short the life they are part of my family and just as important to me as any other person on the tree.
Used to be really difficult to be sure if any had done so between census returns but now that the GRO site gives us MMNs prior to 1911 its been easier identify them.
Boo
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Nice to know about the GRO site. I shall have to start using it. I am currently trying to ensure that all the trees I have on the go at the moment are up to date and actually correct (unlike the one I have just finished, which you helped me on). Although on saying that, I am not sure if one member of the family is correct and am trying to sort it out, and may have to call for help at sometime in the future.
Kath