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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: Peggy13 on Thursday 13 May 21 20:42 BST (UK)
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I have searched all over Ireland for the death of Eliza Martha Watterson, widow of Leonard Watterson, and just couldn't find it. Then today, I found that she had died 1902 in Irwin, Bonneville Co., Idaho. Wonder whatever took her there. She did have a son Henry in USA but Henry's wife died in New York so I presumed that Henry also died in New York. But Idaho?
Would love her obit or death certificate to verify this is the right person. Her father should be Alexander.
Thank you
Peggy
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There is no source for that information on the ancestry tree.
It looks confusing because another tree states Martha Watterson (Martin) died 1903 Swan Valley, Bonneville, Idaho but the husband was John and again no source info.
Sandra
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Thanks Sandra. It just doesn't seem right that she died in Idaho. I have a feeling it is not the right person.
Peggy
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When Leonard Watterson, her supposed husband, died in 1892 in Cranfield, he states he is a widower which means Eliza must have died before 1892, if that information is correct. My gut says that that Leonard is not her Leonard. Further research needed.
Peggy
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Sorry. Had another look around earlier today and nothing comes up for Eliza Martha Matterson so the family trees are not reliable as we suspected. :-\
Sandra
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Yesterday, I decided to look up Leonard and Eliza's son Henry who went to New York. Henry married Lucinda Ellis in Currin, Maghera, Ireland Apr 23, 1867 and records indicate that they immediately emigrated. I find them in Brooklyn in 1870 with a baby Elizabeth. Then I find Lucinda in 1895 in the City Directory as a widow, living at 94 Graham St.. She is still a widow in 1900 living at 94 Graham with son Henry and daughter Mamie born 1877. Says she had 7 children, 2 living. In 1905, Lucinda is living with son Henry in Brooklyn but I don't have the image for address. In 1910, Lucinda is living with married son Henry, his wife Lena aka Pauline at 4861 Fulton St. In 1911, I find Lucinda's death at 1486 Fulton Street, with parents listed as John Elias aka Ellis and Sarah Reynold so I know it is the correct Lucinda as at her marriage her father is given as John Ellis.
As per online family tree, Lucinda's death was 1911 and that was correct. However, Henry's death is given as 1921 and that doesn't seem to be the case. There is another Henry and Lucinda Watterson couple but I was careful to follow the addresses and ages to be sure I was correct. I never did find Henry's death.
In 1900, Lucinda says she had 7 children, 2 living. In 1910, she says 7 children, 3 living which I think is correct. I didn't find Henry and Lucinda in 1880. Censuses can be useful if they happen to have siblings or parents living in the household, although I doubt that Henry's mother Eliza could have afforded a trip to New York if the family was destitute as Henry's father Leonard's death indicates in 1892, if that was the correct Leonard's death in Cranfield, Co. Tyrone.
This morning, I have written to Evergreen Cemetery where Lucinda is buried, also her daughter Elizabeth W. Johnston, born 1870, to see if perhaps Henry is buried with them. Findagrave says only 8% of cemetery photographed.
Peggy
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I have already heard from Evergreens Cemetery and Henry is not buried with Lucinda and their daughter Elizabeth W. Johnston in Nazareth Lot#450. So I have now written to Cypress Hills Cemetery where two of their infant/child daughters are buried to see if Henry is with them.
Peggy
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Mamie Waterson/Zindel - The Brooklyn Daily Eagle Brooklyn, New York
28 Jan 1955, Fri Page 9
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/77721845/obituary-for-mamie-zindel/
Sandra
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There was a death of a Lucinda Waterson in 1882 (born 1877)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W8F-GFP
and another Lucinda buried 1 August 1884
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WJL-TT1
Henry Waterson must have been around in 1883/1884 ?
Sandra
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May not get us anywhere but background on the siblings of Henry Waterson and Lucinda.
This could be the son Henry Waterson - Henry Waterson - 1880 - 15 August 1956 (aged 76 years)
Death Place Queens, New York,
Certificate Number 8337
1940 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K3BN-NPJ
Sandra
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Audrey - daughter of Henry and Lena -
Audrey Edna Waterson - Audrey Edna Gaertner Audrey Gaertner
Birth Date 26 Mar 1921 Brooklyn New York City, New York - Died 9 May 2007
Father Henry Waterson - Mother Lena Zeigon
Notes: Jun 1939: Name listed as Audrey Edna Waterson - Dec 1968: Name listed as Audrey Edna Gaertner - 19 May 2007 Name listed as Audrey E Gaertner.
Married - Audrey E Waterson
Marriage License Date 18 Oct 1947 Queens, New York City, New York.
Spouse Frank J Gaertner - License Number 10172
Sandra
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Audrey on FIND A GRAVE with obituary attached.
Woodlawn Cemetery Bronx, Bronx County, New York.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/185597746/audrey-gaertner
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son Edward Ellis Waterson - FIND A GRAVE
1924 - 1987
Northport Rural Cemetery Northport, Suffolk County, New York.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/162659988/edwin-e-waterson
Spouse - 1924 - 2018 - Margaret Ellen Willis Waterson.
Northport Rural Cemetery Northport, Suffolk County, New York.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/193783103/margaret-ellen-waterson
marriage - Edwin Waterson - Marriage Date 3 Jul 1948 Ramapo, New York.
Spouse Margaret Willis - Certificate Number 48697
Sandra
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daughter - Elizabeth Jane Harms 4 June 1922 New York - 29 August 2013 (aged 91 years) burial 6 September 2013 - Burial Place: Gilmanton Corners location, Rte 107 & Rte 140 Gilmanton, NH, 110 Daniel Webster Highway, Boscawen, N.H.
Maiden Name Waterson
Residence Place Temple Terrace, Florida, Gilmanton - Death Place 205 Sargent Road
Parents Henry Waterson; Pauline Waterson - Spouse John G. Harms
FIND A GRAVE with obituary attached. ( Laconia Daily Sun)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/116634907/elizabeth-jane-harms
Sandra
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husband of Elizabeth (above)
The Tampa Tribune Tampa, Florida 29 Mar 2007, Thu Page 21
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/77724143/obituary-for-john-harms-godfrey/
Sandra
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daughter - Frances M. Waterson - Marriage License Date 17 Mar 1951 Brooklyn, New York City, New York.
Spouse Charles V. Mc Greevey - License Number 4222
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QLSY-XDHS
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Frances M. McGreevey 1926 - 2013 with obituary attached
Lake Road Cemetery Newport, Orleans County, Vermont.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/106939180/frances-m.-mcgreevey
Sandra
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Name Norine L Waterson 19 Aug 1916 Queens, New York City, New York.
Certificate Number 6235
Name Norinne Waterson - Marriage License Date 7 March 1939 Queens, New York City, New York,
Spouse Christopher Betjemann - License Number 973
husband of Norinne - Christopher
The Daily Times Salisbury, Maryland 5 Mar 1991, Tue Page 8
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/77724299/obituary-for-christopher-h-detjemann/
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/77725147/column-2/
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/77725161/christopher-h-betjemann-5-march-1991/
This looks like Norinne - Name Betjemann - Birth Date 19 Aug 1916 - died 30 September 2009
Issue Year Before 1951 Issue State New York.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J5GB-461
Mrs Norine Lucy Betjemann - died London 30 Sepotember 2009
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:CB5F-S33Z
Sandra
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Wow Sandra you have done a most impressive and awesome job of tracing the family and descendants of Henry Watterson and Lucinda Ellis. You even found Mamie who is only mentioned on one census. She is one of the three surviving children of Henry and Lucinda. I estimate that Henry Sr died between 1884 and 1895 when Lucinda is found as a widow on the city directory.
All of your research is thorough accurate and well documented. I can’t thank you enough.
I did find the death records for the two small children of Henry and Lucinda who are buried in Cypress Hills cemetery and why I have written to the cemetery to see if Henry might be buried with them and we would finally find his date of death.
There is certainly longevity in the Watterson family. Many of them lived till well in their 90s even 100 years of age as in the case of Isaac that we found a bit ago. My desktop computer is undergoing maintenance at the moment and I will have to wait until I get it back hopefully today to save the documents that you have found. It was plumb full of genealogy and photos so I needed a new 4 TB hard drive.
Thank you again Sandra.
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Oh wow, thank you so much Peggy. Its been (still is) interesting trying to unravel this family.
Hope you get your computer sorted. :)
Going back to the death of Lucinda Watterson 31 July 1884 - the note at the bottom says " 42 Spring, 14th Ward; Resident of N.Y. City for whole period"
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WJL-TTB
New York City Directory - 1884 Henry Waterson
Street Address: 42 Spring New York New York.
occupation:- Smith.
New York City Directory - 1886 Henry Waterson
Street Address: 42 Spring New York, New York.
Occupation Shoer.
Sandra
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1892 census Brookklyn Kings New York (16 February 1892 - Seventh Ward)
Lucy Waterson aged 49. born Ireland.
Lizzie Waterson aged 22 years. born NY.
Mary Waterson aged 17 years. born NY.
Henry Waterson aged 10 years. born NY.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ3D-3VR
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D48Q-T43?i=9
Sandra
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Might be a possible - Brooklyn City Directory 1889/1890 781 Kent Avenue Brooklyn.
Goulding´s Manual of New York and General Statistical Guide, 1875
Name Henry Waterson - Residence Year - 1875 - Street Address r 12 Clarkson New York, New York,
Occupation Shoer
Goulding´s New York City Directory for 1876-77
Name Henry Waterson - Street Address r 12 Clarkson New York, New York.
Occupation Blacksmith
City Directory, 1878 - Name Henry Waterson
Street Address 85 Carmine New York, New York, USA
Occupation Smith
Sandra
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So Henry Sr was deceased before the Feb 1892 census. As for city directories, they often represent the year before. Not sure what to think when it says 1889/1890 for example. Might mean 1889. anyway you have narrowed it down to between 1889 and Feb 1892 so perhaps 1891. Wonder if his name is misspelled at death and that’s why we can’t find it.
I have a second reply from Evergreens cemetery and besides Lucinda Waterson and her daughter Elizabeth W Johnston, we have S. Johnston (1910), M. Johnston (1926), Mamie Zindel (1955), Henry Waterson (1956) and Pauline Waterson (1974) interred in this lot. Thinking the Johnston burials are children of Elizabeth.
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Yes those would be Elizabeth Johnston children. Also confirms that I had the right Henry Waterson death in 1956. Nice to have that confirmation.
Sandra
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Yes, great confirmation.
Working from memory since my computer is not at hand, Henry and Lena had a baby Henry on the 1910 census who is not on the 1940. He may have married or moved on or he may have died. Also wondering about a Raymond. I can’t find the family in either 1920 or 1930 but I think the 1920 would be most important.
Peggy
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Are we talking this family - perhaps Henry L was Henry R (Raymond) Waterson ?
Name Henry R A Waterson 5 Dec 1909 Kings, New York.
Certificate Number 23862 S
1910 census Fulton Street Brooklyn Ward 23, Kings, New York.
Henry Waterson 28 Head
Lena Waterson 21 Wife
Henry L Waterson 0 Son
Lucinda Waterson 65 Mother
and 1920 Elliott Street Newark Ward 8, Essex, New Jersey.
Henry Waterson 30 Head
Lena Waterson30 Wife
Raymond Waterson 10 Son
Norine Waterson 3 Daughter
1925 census Brooklyn Kings New York
Farry (Harry) Watterson45 Head
Lena Watterson 36 Wife
Raymond Watterson 15 Son
Norine Watterson 9 Daughter
Andrie Watterson 4 Daughter
Bettie Watterson 3 Daughter
Edwin Watterson 1 Son
Sandra
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WW2 Draft - Henry Raymond Waterson - 5 December 1909 Brooklyn New York. Aged 30 years
Registration Date: 16 Oct 1940 Middle Village, Long Island, New York
EmployerM H Treadwell -140 Cedar Street New York.
Weight 175 - Complexion Ruddy - Eye Color Blue - Hair Color Red - Height 5 10
Next of Kin Mrs H Waterson. 7712 - 66 Middle Village Queens. NY
Sandra
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Henry R Waterson - 5 December 1909 died 12 November 1994 - aged 85 years.
Last Place of Residence Nassau, New York.
SSDI - Name: Henry R. Waterson - Birth Date 5 Dec 1909 - 12 November 1994
Last Residence: 11545, Glen Head, Nassau, New York, USA
Issue Year Before 1951 Issue State New York
Sandra
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Raymond Waterson parents and siblings -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2DL-K3VJ
Sandra
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Is this possible..............
Name Yolanda E. Ferguson - Marriage License Date 16 Jun 1941
Marriage License Place Queens, New York City, New York.
Spouse Henry R Waterson - License Number 5210
Sandra
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With this one...........
Name Yolanda Waterson - 28 February 1905 - December 1979
Birth Date 28 Feb 1905 - December 1979
Last Residence 11545, Glen Head, Nassau, New York.
Issue Year Before 1951 - Issue State New York.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K5MY-CDC
Sandra
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You are marvellous as usual, Sandra. So Henry and Lena are in New Jersey in 1920. Also noticed six or seven years between Henry Raymond and Noreen so possibly they lost a child or two in there.
My desktop just came back but I have to hook everything up again and I hope I do it correctly.
Thanks again
Peggy
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Since Henry R. Watterson‘s last residence was Glen head and so was Yolanda, it makes sense they were a couple. You have done it again. Thank you
Peggy
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1940 census 66th Road New York, Queens, New York.
Henry Watepson 49 Head
Lena Watepson 57 Wife
Audrey E Watepson 19 Daughter (this was Andrie on the 1925)
Elizabeth Watepson 19 Daughter
Edwin E Watepson 16 Son
Francis M Watepson 14 Daughter
Name Francas M Waterson
Birth Date 16 Feb 1926 Glen Cove, New York.
Certificate Number 12058
Sandra
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Imagine that spelling in 1940. Good on you to find them.
PEGGY
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I have found Henry and Lucinda in 1880. I put in Henry, Ireland, no age, residence New York, wife Lucinda. They were found under Watison and have children Lizzie who would be Elizabeth, Mary who would be Mamie and a son transcribed as Lundy age 4. Also a brother Andrew Gallagher age 49. Since Henry is Watterson and Lucinda is Ellis, how can there be a brother Gallagher? Maybe brother-in-law.
Henry does have a sister Mary Ann that I have no further information on other than her birth abt 1837.
Peggy
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Good find Peggy. Hmmm Andrew Gallagher is interesting :-\ Maybe he didn't belong to that household, that's not an unusual thing to happen. Gaps between those children ?
Sandra
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I had a thought that perhaps Lundy is actually a daughter perhaps Lusidy aka Lucinda born 1877 died 1882.
Peggy
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Yes, I think that's probably right. :)
Sandra
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I found an Ellin Watterson who was born and died 1886 in Brooklyn, no parents given. Not likely to be Henry and Lucinda as says both parents born in USA, mother Brooklyn. However, Ellin is buried in Evergreens so I wrote to them again to see who she is buried with.
Peggy
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Mean't to ask the other day of John Watterson and Mary Drake were anything to do with your Watterson/Waterson families ?
Sandra
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I think I have found Henry's death Oct 11, 1891. I have a phone call in to Cypress Hills Cemetery and awaiting their reply. They said they don't have either of the daughters named Lucinda there, even though I could supply the exact dates. They said Cypress Hills could be the area and not specifically the Cypress Hills Cemetery.
Anyway, the first record that I found was for Henry Watson, Oct 11, 1891, born 1857 (wrong), Ireland (right), married (right), occupation Horse shoer(right), father Leonard (right), mother Sarah (wrong).
The second record was for Henry Whatson, Oct 11, 1891, born 1846 (closer), Ireland (correct), burial place Cypress Hills.
The date fits perfectly to be our Henry.
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The lost is found! Henry Watterson was buried Nov 3, 1891 in Cypress Hills Cemetery,along with his two young daughters both named Lucinda, one buried Nov 1882 age 5 and one buried Aug 1, 1884 age 11 months.
I would think his death would be more like Oct 31 instead of Oct 11. It seems like the writing was hard to decipher as per the lady I was talking to. A carriage was ordered Nov 2 from Stage Stables, and a Mary Watterson was either the owner of the plot or the person authorizing the burial. He died in Brooklyn.
They have no idea why the death is transcribed as Watson or Whatson as the burial is under Watterson. They couldn't find him at first but they found Lucinda buried in 1882 and he was with her so the correct Henry.
Yahoo
Peggy
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Sorry been out all day, so just catching up. Absolutely terrific result Peggy - well done. Perseverance pays :)
Sandra
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I decided to look for Mary Watterson in Brooklyn in 1900 and you wouldn’t believe how many of them there are. Would need more clues to find the right one. I asked Cypress Hillls if there were any more Wattersons in that plot and she said no.
Maybe I should’ve asked who else was in that plot.
Peggy
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A new development regarding the initial object of this posting - Eliza Martha Watterson nee Martin.
I found a family tree online that says the Leonard Watterson who was married to Eliza remarried in Nov 1860 to Rachel Martin nee Watterson. I believe this tree is correct because the two youngest children on this tree born to Leonard and Eliza were Leonard 1853 and William 1858, and I find Leonard and Rachel in Glasgow Scotland in 1861 with sons Lennie age 8 and William age 3. Can't be children of their marriage as Rachel and Leonard were only married in Nov 1860. So now looking for Eliza's death abt 1859 in Ireland. Will have to be a church record as online deaths only start in 1864.
Peggy
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Absolutely great, well done Peggy. :)
Daughter from first marriage -
Perhaps this was the Idaho connection. - Jane Watterson (daughter of Leonard W Waterson and Eliza Martin) 23 November 1844 Leanomorrow, Derry, Ireland - 27 December 1908 Idaho Falls, Bonneville, Idaho.
Father Leonard W Watterson - Mother Eliza Martha Martin - Spouse Hugh Caldwell (Sr) Martin
Jane married Hugh Caldwell Martin. (See reply 50 - gives marriage date - 18 June 1863)
1871 Scotland Census Raploch Lancashire.
Hugh C Martin 36 Head
Jane Martin 28 Wife
Allan Martin 6 Son
Elesa Martin 4 Daur (Daughter)
Joseph H Martin 2 Son
Jannet Martin 1mo Daur (Daughter)
Sandra
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1880 Evanston, Uinta, Wyoming.
Hugh C. Martin 45 Self (Head) Born Scotland. Labourer.
Jane Martin 34 Wife. Born Ireland.
Allen Martin 15 Son. Born Scotland.
Eliza E Martin 13 Daughter. Born Scotland.
Joseph Martin 10 Son. Born Scotland.
Jennette Martin 8 Daughter. Born Scotland.
Agnes Martin 6 Daughter. Born Scotland.
Martha Martin 5 Daughter. Born Wyoming.
Hugh Martin 3 Son. Born Wyoming.
Sandy Martin 1 Son. Born Wyoming.
Jeanette was Jeanette Osburn/Osborne Martin - 10 October 1870 Hamilton Lanark.
Allen was Allen Osborne Martin -
Sandra
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1900 census Higham, Bingham, Idaho.
Hugh C Martin 65 Head. Married 36 years.
Jane W Martin 55 Wife. Married 1864. Had 10 children. 9 still living.
Joseph S Martin 31 Son
Hugh C Martin 23 Son
Alexander W Martin 21 Son
Margaret B Martin 16 Daughter
Joseph was Joseph Smith Martin 8 September 1868)
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Jane Watterson Martin - 1844 - 1908
Burton-Irwin Cemetery Irwin, Bonneville County, Idaho.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/59252553/jane-martin
Hugh Caldwell Martin Sr. - 1834 - 1903 (Death Cert and photograph)
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/59252423/hugh-caldwell-martin
son - Allen Osborne Martin
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/207269060/allen-osborne-martin
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSX-S82B
son - Joseph S Martin
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/75795532/joseph-s-martin
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVSX-SFWZ
daughter - Janet Osborn Martin Williams
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/59252641/janet-osborn-williams
son - Alexander William Martin - death certificate attached.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/150330439/alexander-william-martin
Sandra
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Millennium File
Name Hugh Caldwell (Sr) Martin Birth Date 30 Nov 1834 Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scottland
Death Date 26 May 1903 Swan Valley, Bonneville, Idaho.
Marriage Date 18 Jun 1863
Father George Leadley Martin - Mother Janet Martin Osborne - Spouse Jane Watterson
Children Hugh Caldwell (Jr) Martin
Spouse Father Leonard W Watterson Spouse Mother Eliza Martha Martin.
Sandra
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https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/sources/KWJC-4W9
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Sandra, I am absolutely blown away by what you have uncovered. You are incredible. Now I am wondering if Eliza did not die before 1860 but she and Leonard separated and he remarried. I found Leonard and his second wife Rachel Martin nee Watterson in Scotland in 1861 and then I found Rachel's death in Glasgow, Scotland May 4, 1869. Before death, Rachel and Leonard had two children Mary Ann Watterson Oct 21, 1861 and Richard Aug 25, 1863. Then Leonard must have returned to Ireland as I don't find him in Scotland in 1871. He was a lemonade salesman when Rachel died. Rachel was 38 which is exactly what I had calculated so born abt 1831 to John Watterson and Mary Sands.
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The implication is there that Eliza died in Idaho even though they have her husband as Leonard Martin. I looked for Eliza in 1900 with Jane and the Martin family but Eliza wasn't with them and doesn't show up on familysearch on her own in 1900.
Eliza's parents were Alexander Martin and Jean/Jane Leadley whereas Hugh's parents were George Leadley Martin and Janet Osborn. Hmmm.
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I think probably Leonard remarried to Rachel after the death of Eliza Martha Watterson.
There was an interesting 1881 census 64, Stevenson St. Glasgow Lanarkshire.
John Waterson 47 Head. Born Ireland. Labourer In Iron Work.
Helen Waterson 44 Wife. Born Wigtonshire.
Mary Waterson 4 Daughter. Born Selkirk, Selkirkshire.
Leonard Waterson 30 Brother. Born Glasgow. Lemonade Bottler.
William Waterson 22 Brother. Born Glasgow. Lemonade Worker.
Jane Brown 55 Servant
Sandra
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Obit for Alexander Watterson (with photo) - son of Hugh and Jane
The Ogden Standard-Examiner Ogden, Utah 18 Oct 1964, Sun Page 29
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/77912413/obituary-for-alexander-w-martin-aged/
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE - Margaret Booth Martin Butler 1881 - 1968 (wonder where Booth come from)
Rose Hill Cemetery Idaho Falls, Bonneville County, Idaho
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/72248612/margaret-booth-butler
Sandra
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That 1881 census is very interesting. Says Leonard and William born Scotland which idea I discarded when I saw the 1861 census when they lived with Leonard Sr. and Rachel. But maybe I should look into that. Maybe Leonard and Eliza lived in Scotland for a while. Leonard and William's births are not at Woods Chapel in Ireland. Maybe even Eliza's death is in Scotland. Food for thought.
Peggy
PS There is a James Watterson who married Matilda Booth and their daughter Sarah Ann went to New York and their daughter Isabella Dotson died in Los Angeles.
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Of course - James and Matilda Booth
Another version - https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/K2FP-VG4/jane-watterson-1844-1908
When Jane Watterson was born on 8 November 1844, in County Londonderry, Northern Ireland, United Kingdom, her father, John Watterson, was 28 and her mother, Martha Martin, was 42. She married Hugh Caldwell Martin Sr. on 18 June 1863, in Motherwell, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom. They were the parents of at least 4 sons and 6 daughters. She lived in Larkhall, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom in 1871 and Evanston, Uinta, Wyoming, United States in 1880. She died on 27 December 1908, in Swan Valley, Bonneville, Idaho, United States, at the age of 64, and was buried in Swan Valley, Bonneville, Idaho, United States.
Sandra
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Well, I'm glad you straightened that one out. I did have John Watterson, born abt 1816, to Joseph Watterson and Mary Woods. Leonard Watterson born Aug 21, 1812 who married Eliza Martha Martin is a brother to John and I believe Martha is a sister to Eliza Martha - all in the family. I also had that Martha was born 1802 so 14 years older than John which bears out with Jane's birth in 1844.
It seems that somewhere along the way, Jane's parents were wrongly named.
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Wait a minute. John Watterson and Martha didn't marry until 1848 so how could Jane born 1844 belong to them? When I can get into Scotland's People, I will look at Jane's marriage which will give her parents' names.
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There are a few anomalies about this family ? Asking if anyone can see the marriage on Scotlands People here ? More questions than answers ? Maybe the marriage was in Ireland ?
Check out this link, Gadget has been very helpful adding information.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=848953.new#new
Jane's birth was recorded on the 1880 as 1846 so even that could be varying.
Could Jane (1844) be the last born daughter of Leonard Watterson and Eliza Martha Martin.
Eliza Martha perhaps died shortly after that. ?
Sandra
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I have found Henry and Lucinda in 1880. I put in Henry, Ireland, no age, residence New York, wife Lucinda. They were found under Watison and have children Lizzie who would be Elizabeth, Mary who would be Mamie and a son transcribed as Lundy age 4. Also a brother Andrew Gallagher age 49. Since Henry is Watterson and Lucinda is Ellis, how can there be a brother Gallagher? Maybe brother-in-law.
Henry does have a sister Mary Ann that I have no further information on other than her birth abt 1837.
Peggy
This name is coming up on that Magherafelt marriage that Gadget found on the Lanark board - Jane Gallagher and Hugh Martin - 3 August 1863 - withness's Andrew Gallagher and Thomas Gallagher ?
Wonder if that is significant ?
Sandra
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Potential red herrings - you may have already checked these, sorry if I missed seeing:
Newspaper notice in 1855
. I will not be RESPONSIBLE for any D E B T S contracted by my Wife, Miss. JANE M'LAREN or WATERSON, after this date. LEONARD WATERSON. 16 Great Dovehill, Glasgow, 23d March, 1855.
This chap?
WATERSON
LEONARD
1841 Census
M
31
644/2 37/ 33
Gorbals
Lanark
born Ireland
with wife, Jean (born Ireland) and sons John, David, James and William (born Scotland)
also, coincidence or otherwise,
a Marriage
WATERSON
LEONARD
BEATTIE
JANE
1856
644/1 254
Glasgow Central District
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So far we believe that Leonard Watterson was married to Eliza Martha Martin and then to Rachel/
Here he is with Rachel on the 1861 census 44 Trongate Glasgow.
Leonard Watterson 50 Head. Born Ireland
Rachel Watterson 30 Wife. Born Ireland.
Lenny Watterson 8 Son Born Glasgow
William Watterson 3 Son Bon Glasgow.
Someone claims Eliza Watterson died in Idaho in 1902 but no records were found to confirm that.
Rachel died 1869. Leonard returned to Ireland and died in 1892
Sandra
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Confirmation the marriage date for Hugh and Jane was 18 June 1863 (maybe it was Motherwell - it doesn't say)
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Hello, I finally was able to access Scotland's People and yes, strange records are being found. Since Leonard and Rachel are found in 1861 with sons Leonard age 8 and William, age 3, I went in search of the boys. I did not find Leonard but then again he is born before 1855. I did find a William, born Nov 27, 1857 to Leonard Watterson and Jane Beattie - What! Leonard is a lemonade dealer. So I looked for the marriage to Jane and found it July 22, 1856. Leonard is a widower, and a Salesman. Leonard gives his parents as Leonard Watterson and Mary Evans, both deceased. Different Leonard??? Or not??
I did find the death of Rachel in May 1869 in Glasgow, but I don't find Leonard or the boys in 1871 so presume Leonard returned to Ireland. Rachel's parents are given as John Watterson and Mary Sands and when she married, her father was John Watterson. Rachel is age 38 at death which corresponds exactly to my estimated dob of 1831.
Now for that interesting sworn statement of Hugh Martin regarding his marriage to Jane Watterson. I can assure you that the marriage did not take place in 1863. I found the birth of Allen Osborn Martin June 27, 1864 and he is illegimate. So I looked for the next child, Eliza, and I don't find her. Next, Joseph Smith Martin, born Sept 8, 1868. Date of marriage for parents was given as Aug 28, 1865 in Magherafelt, Co. Derry. I looked for the marriage in 1865 and couldn't find it on irishgenealogy. Then when Agnes Jones Martin is born, in 1872, the date of marriage is now given as Aug 28, 1863 in Magherafelt, Co. Tyrone (Magherafelt is in Co. Derry). I will look for marriage on Groni. Is Allen mentioned as a child in Hugh's statement of marriage?
Another item - I had the wrong date of marriage for John Watterson and Martha Martin, who are given as the parents of Jane Watterson,according to one source. I had the marriage as 1848 but it was actually 1829 which would make John only 13 if he was born 1816 as per some sources. He was possibly born abt 1806 which corresponds more closely to Martha's dob in 1802. Apparently, the baptisms are missing between 1780 and 1805 at Woods so I don't have John's birth. Jane's baptism is not found belonging to either John Watterson and Martha Martin or to Leonard Watterson and Eliza Martin but if the info on findagrave is any clue, Eliza Martin is given as her mother, along with Leonard N. Martin as father. Why would a Jane Watterson have a father with last name Martin?
Onward!
Peggy
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. but I don't find Leonard or the boys in 1871
The sons could very well be the two already posted living with older brother John in 1881 see reply #54. John could fit with being the son, John, with a Leonard and Jean in 1851, so possibly half rather than full brother of either or both.
There is a death for a 77yr old Leonard in 1886:
WATERSON
Leonard
age 77
mmn RANKIN
year of death 1886
644/4 876
Calton (Glasgow)
which general location and agewise, seems to fit the chap in the various census records, but mmn Rankin doesn't fit the chap married to Jane Beattie, nor does it fit the Leonard returning to Ireland and dying there in 1892.
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Thank you scotmum. I was also thinking that the two boys with brother John in 1881 could be the same two as with Leonard and Rachel in 1861. John in 1881 is born Ireland whereas the John on the 1851 census is born Scotland.
I don't find a John born to Leonard and Eliza Martin abt 1835. What a mess. I have been looking for John's marriage to Helen with daughter Mary age 4 in 1881. I don't find marriage or birth of Mary. I thought Mary's birth would give mother's maiden name and parents date of Marriage as they do that in Scotland.
I thought the same with the marriage of Hugh Martin and Jane Watterson but I haven't found the marriage. If in Ireland, it would at least give the father's names.
Thanks again scotmum.
PS. I was thinking that Jane McLaren who left Leonard in 1855 might be the Jean on the 1841 census and the date could correspond with Leonard's remarriage in 1856 to Jane Beattie. Strange that William's father Leonard in 1857 is a lemonade dealer and Rachel's husband Leonard at her death iin 1869 is a lemonade salesman. On the 1861 census, Rachel's husband Leonard is a furniture salesman whereas at their marriage in 1860, it just says salesman. maybe we need to see what happened to Jane Beattie between William's birth in 1857 and Leonard's marriage to Rachel in 1860 to see if any chance same Leonard.
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. . I was thinking that Jane McLaren who left Leonard in 1855 might be the Jean on the 1841 census
Jane/Jean were and are, interchangeable in Scotland (as is Helen/Ellen etc).
It might be helpful to look at the 1886 Leonard death, particularly the address, occupation and who registered the death.
Wasn't the 1892 chap more likely to have been the one who married a Jane Reid in Cookstown district in 1854?
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Thanks Scotmum for your thoughts. First of all, the Leonard that married Jane Reid died 1909 in Ballymulderg Beg and Jane died Nov 8, 1910.
Secondly, I did purchase the death record of Leonard who died 1886 in Glasgow and it was very interesting +++. He was age 77, a widower, and gives his parents as Leonard Watterson, carpet weaver, and Mary Rankin. If you recall, the one who married Jane Beattie had parents Leonard Watterson, laborer, and Mary Evans.
Anyway, Leonard who died 1886, 64 Stevenson Street, was a carpet weaver and had 3 prev. wives listed - Mary Rae, Rachel Watterson, and Jane Robertson. Yeah, Rachel. Hmmm. Notice this Leonard did not have Jane Beattie listed or Eliza Martin. I don't find a marriage to Jane Robertson or Mary Rae so may have been other than in Scotland. Now one has to wonder if the 1861 census with Leonard and Rachel is NOT the same Rachel that I found the marriage for in Ireland in 1860. But the Rachel that he married in 1860 is the same one who died in 1869 as her father is the same - John Watterson. And her Leonard was a lemonade salesman. Wait a minute - in 1861, Leonard married to Rachel was a furniture salesman. So different Leonard than the carpet weaver.
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I decided to look for the death of Jane Beattie who married Leonard Watterson in 1856, age 24, and mother of William in 1857. I found the death of a Jane Waterston, age 26, drowning, wife of a salesman, Leonard Waterson. So it fits that Leonard's wife Jane nee Beattie dies in 1859 and Leonard remarries in 1860 to Rachel Martin nee Watterson, father John, and then Rachel dies in 1869 of phthisis, father John. In 1861, we have Leonard and Rachel on the census with sons Leonard and William. I didn't find the birth of Leonard and it can't be Jane Beattie if Leonard and Jane married in 1856 when Jane was only 24 - unless illegitimate son Leonard.
We haven't established for sure that the same Leonard married Eliza Martin and then Rachel Martin nee Watterson but looks likely. However, it would seem then that Eliza would have died between 1844 and Leonard's son Leonard's birth abt 1850-1853. The last baptism that I have for Leonard and Eliza was Joseph, Mar 5, 1844. And there is a possible Jane 1844-1846 but I don't have her baptism.
Peggy
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With a great lot of luck, I found the marriage of William Watterson in 1881 to Helen Lang. He was an aerated water bottler and was the son of Leonard Watterson and Jane Beattie. Didn't find a marriage for Leonard 1881-1891 or him on the 1891 census.
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So this death?
WATERSTON
Jane
26
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1859
644/3 750
Bridgeton
without a mmn indexed.
Oddly, I'm not seeing Jane's death also indexed under Beattie, which in Scottish records, it normally would be. Is her maiden name given as Beattie on the death certificate?
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No parents given. Says age 26, wife of a salesman, and Leonard Waterson, widower, as informant. Event at Springboards River Clyde, domicil 7 High Street, Glasgow.
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Report in newspaper of drowning. States 'the unfortunate woman' had given birth to a son about 8 days previous and was observed to have fallen into a very desponding state of mind. It then goes on to suppose she threw herself into the water in this state. The child is noted as having been remarkably fine and healthy, so not a reason, presumably, for her actions.
Another paper reports the matter as Melancholy Suicide.
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No parents given. Says age 26, wife of a salesman, and Leonard Waterson, widower, as informant. Event at Springboards River Clyde, domicil 7 High Street, Glasgow.
And maiden name not recorded? Were the parents also missing on marriage record?
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There's this birth in Midlothian:
WATERSTON
William
M
1859
680/ 8
Cranston district
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Goodness, Jane WATERSTON's death was Sept 19, 1859. So baby was born abt Sept 10, 1859. Informant signs as Leonard WATERSON. Can't be same William as born Nov 1857 to Leonard and Jane Beattie. So lets find a baby William born Sept 1859.
I found a William Waterston born 1859 but it was in March and his parents were John Waterston and Margaret Corvan.
Ah, here it is. Joseph Waterson, Sept 8, 1859, 7 High Street, Leonard Waterson, lemonade Salesman, Jane Beattie.
On the marriage record, Jane's parents given as William Beattie and ?Jannet (can't read it) Ramsay.
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Birth:
WATERSON
William
M
1857
644/1 1756
Glasgow Central District
so where was young Joseph in 1861? No obvious death for him.
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No death found for Joseph between 1859 and 1861. Not on 1861 census. Adopted?
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Which Leonard?
Name George Waterson
Sex Male
Birth Date 26 May 1860
Birthplace Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Birthplace (Original) Central District, Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland
Father's Name Leonard Waterson
Mother's Name Jane Ferguson
Death?
WATERSON
GEORGE
8
FERGUSON
1868
573/1 180
Paisley High Church
And another son of Leonard/Rachel:
Name:
Richard Waterson
Sex:
Male
Birth Date:
25 Aug 1863
Birthplace:
Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland, United Kingdom
Father's Name:
Leonard Waterson
Mother-s name
Rachel Waterson
Death:.
WATERSON
RICHARD
14
WATERSON
1878
644/4 351
Calton (Glasgow)
Where was he in 1871?
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On a refreshing note:
... apparently, there were 33 lemonade firms in Glasgow alone by 1880. ;D
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Yes I knew about Richard’s birth. Didn’t know about death. They had a daughter Mary Ann in 1861.
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I looked up Richard’s death. He was at 3 Tobago St. And his father Leonard was there in1878. A lamplighter, peasant. So they must have been around in 1871 but I didn’t find them.
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I have worked tirelessly to find out if it is the same Leonard who married Eliza Martin and the one who married Rachel Martin nee Watterson. And have come to the conclusion - No.
Most trees have parents of Leonard Watterson who married Eliza Martin as Joseph Watterson and Mary Woods. Wish there were parents for their marriage so we could be sure that Joseph is his father.
Leonard Watterson married Rachel Martin in 1860, a salesman, father Leonard. In 1861, they are in Scotland, he is lemonade salesman, with sons Leonard age 8 and William age 3, can't be theirs. I looked for the births of the boys and found a William born 1857, parents Leonard Watterson and Jane Beattie. So looked for marriage of Leonard and Jane Beattie and found one in 1856, his parents Leonard Watterson, Mary Evans, and he is a widower. There is a couple Leonard Waterhouse and Mary Evans in Drumenagh where Leonard says he is residing when he married Rachel. All the Waterhouses changed their surname to Waterson about 1811 for some reason. Leonard and Jane Beattie had 2 children before she committed suicide in Sept 1859. Then Leonard married Rachel. Rachel dies 1869 after having 2 children. Then I find a John Watterson in 1881 living with brothers Leonard and William, lemonade bottlers/workers. Sounds like same boys as in 1861. So who is John? He was born Ireland about 1834 and I think it is them in 1841, wife Jane, son John, age 8, born Ireland. David and James and William born Scotland. Same people in 1851 but no William. So the Leonard who is 8 in 1861 either belongs to this couple or Leonard squeezed in another marriage before Jane Beattie.
I have found what I think is Leonard's death in Scotland in 1886 and he lists 3 wives, one of whom is Jane Robertson. Leonard is back to being a carpet weaver. There is also a newspaper notice in 1855 by a Leonard Watterson who will now longer be responsible for the debts of Miss Jane McLaren. So which Jane might it be?
Also I think Leonard changed his occupation from cotton weaver to lemonade saleman and back again. One reason I think it is the same Leonard who dies in 1886 is that the address is the same one as where John lives in 1881 with his brothers Leonard and William - 64 Stevenson. and his son John is present at death. There is no mention of Jane Beattie at Leonard's death but there is a Mary Rae. Never heard of her.
Anyway, that is my two cents worth. What do you think?
Peggy
I still haven't found the baptism of Jane Watterson who married Hugh Caldwell Martin but she wasn't baptised at Wood's COI.
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I did extend my profound thanks to all those who helped and steered me in the right direction but I don't see it here. I couldn't have done it without you and I want everyone to know that. Sandra and scotmum worked particularly hard. I am going to look for baby Joseph born 1859 back in Ireland as Leonard was back in Drumenagh when he married Rachel in 1860 so I am thinking he may have taken the baby to grandma.
Peggy
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I find myself in another quandary and looking for more help. When Rachel Waterson, nee Waterson, died in 1869, her address was 55 Bell Street. Her husband was Leonard, lemonade salesman.
When Leonard died in 1886, there are 3 wives listed- Mary Rae, Rachel Waterson, and Jane Robertson. So thought the Jane on the 1841 and 1851 censuses was Jane Robertson, with sons John, David, James and William (who was not on the 1851 census).
However, I found a James Waterson who married Ann Nelson in 1869 and his address was 55 Bell Street, with parents Leonard Waterson, ginger beer salesman, and Jane McLaren, deceased. Aha. Was Leonard's death record wrong about Jane's surname? Also, in 1855, there was a newspaper ad regarding a Jane M'Laren having left Leonard Waterson and he would no longer be responsible for any of her debts (I can't find the posting at the moment as everything seems to be out of order). So did she die before 1869 when James married or was she just dead to James.
I can't find James and Ann in 1871 or 1881.
thanks for any help
Peggy
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I guess Leonard and his wife Jane McLaren got back together as Jane died just under a year after Leonard's newspaper article of Mar 23, 1855 saying that he would no longer be responsible for the debts of his wife Miss Jane McLaren. His address was 16 Great Dovehill, Glasgow which is the same address that Jane Waterson died at on Feb 29, 1856, wife of a cotton weaver and Leonard Waterson was widower. Her parents were David McLaren and Esther Stanley. So I guess Leonard's death record had the wrong name of third wife which should be McLaren instead of Robertson. Fits with the name of mother of James Waterson who married in 1869 who gives parents as Leonard Waterson and Jane McLaren, deceased.
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I had another piece of good fortune today. I found the death of John Watterson, son of Leonard Watterson and Jane McLaren. Confirms he is the brother of James who married Ann Nelson in 1869 and confirms that the mother was Jane McLaren, not Jane Robertson as per their father Leonard's death record. Gives John's wife as Helen Allison. His dod was Jan 19, 1897 in Glasgow, District of Calton.
I did find it odd before that John was the informant at his father's death and he should know his mother's name.
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Thank you scotmum, for pointing out the birth and death of a George Watterson, parents Leonard Watterson, Jane Ferguson. I do believe it is the same Leonard Watterson, lemonade dealer, but he did not marry Jane Ferguson. Son George died of scarlet fever at age 8 in 1868.
I have not been able to find Leonard's son David born Scotland about 1836 to Leonard Watterson and Jane McLaren/McClernon. He is on the 1841 and 1851 censuses and then disappears. Wonder if he emigrated. I did find William born 1857 who married Helen Lang in 1881, his parents Leonard Watterson and Jane Beattie. Didn't find baby Joseph born 1859.
Thanks for any help
Peggy
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I have now found the death of William Watterson, in 1887, son of Leonard Watterson and Jane Beattie. William's brother John was present at death. William's wife was Helen Ryan not Lang.
Peggy
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I have now found the death of David Waterson in 1882, single, age 42, son of Leonard Waterson and Jane McLaren, one more son confirming the surname of Leonard’s first wife. Leonard is a lamplighter, same as when Richard died. David was on the 1841 and 1851 censuses.
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A bit ago, I found the marriage of James Watterson, son of Leonard Watterson and Jane McLaren to Ann Nelson in 1869. James is a Private 42nd Foot. Then I found the birth of their daughter Helen Elizabeth in 1870 and James has same occupation. In 1871, I find Annie and daughter Helen aka Ellen on the Glasgow census, and she says married but James is not with them. In 1881, Annie is a widow. In 1890, Helen dies and her father James is given as a soldier, deceased. In 1903, Annie dies in Glasgow, and she is the widow of James, Bandsman, 42nd Royal Highlanders. However, I am unable to find the death of James which must be between 1871 and 1881. Any suggestions? Since he was a soldier, might his death be in another country?
Thanks for any help
Peggy
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Earlier in this posting, Isabelle Dotson's death in Los Angeles in 1948 was mentioned. She was the daughter of James Waterson and Matilda Booth. Today I received her obit and I will try to attach it. Names 7 children but they must be from 2 marriages as some are named Rigby.
Peggy
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Earlier in this posting, Isabelle Dotson's death in Los Angeles in 1948 was mentioned. She was the daughter of James Waterson and Matilda Booth. Today I received her obit and I will try to attach it. Names 7 children but they must be from 2 marriages as some are named Rigby.
Peggy
Attached for you :-
The Los Angeles Times Los Angeles, California 12 Feb 1948, Thu Page 10
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/78465206/isabella-dotson-12-february-1948/
Sandra
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1940 census Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California.
Edward Rigby 35 Head. Born New York.
Marie A Rigby 41 Wife. Born Mississippi.
Edward C Rigby 7 Son
Isabelle Dodson 70 Mother-in-law. Mother-In-Law.
William Getz 40 Boarder
Alice M Shaw 61 Lodger
Sandra
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Marriage Rigby/Durrow.
The Los Angeles Times Los Angeles, California 12 Apr 1932, Tue Page 18
California Death Index - Name: Edward James Rigby - Birth Date 31 Jul 1903 New York
Death Date 24 Jun 1990 Los Angeles - Mother's Maiden Name Watterson.
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
Edward J Rigby 1903 - 1990
Forest Lawn Memorial ParkGlendale, Los Angeles County, California.
PLOT Garden of Remembrance, Lot 1990, Space 1
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/85497639/edward-j-rigby
Marie A Rigby - 1898 - 1975
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/85497648/marie-a-rigby
Death Notice- The Los Angeles Times Los Angeles, California
27 Jun 1990, Wed Page 24
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/78465305/edward-j-rigby-27-june-1990/
Death Notice- The Los Angeles Times Los Angeles, California
25 Jan 1975, Sat Page 20
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/78465323/marie-rigby-25january-1975/
Sandra
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1920 census https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MH79-TP8
1910 census West 24 th Street Los Angeles Assembly District 71, Los Angeles, California.
Charles Rigby 47 Head
Isabel Rigby42 Wife. 7 children 7 survive. Imm 1886. Married 20 years.
Florence Rigby 18 Daughter
Edith E Rigby15 Daughter
Isabel Rigby 11 Daughter
Charles Rigby 9 Son
Edward Rigby 7 Son
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MV2Y-Q22
1900 census Hamilton Street Geneva, Ontario, New York.
Charles Rigby 44 Head
Isabella Rigby 31 Wife. married 13 years. Imm 1883. Had 6 children 5 living.
Harriett Rigby 13 Daughter
Matilda Rigby 10 Daughter
Florence Rigby 7 Daughter
Edith Rigby 4 Daughter
Isabella Rigby 1 Daughter
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSLM-83V
If Harriet was the first born, they were living in Geneva New york
Harriet Rigby - Baptism Age 0 - Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 2 Jan 1888 - Baptism Date 8 Jan 1888 Baptism Place Trinity Church, Geneva, New York,
Church Trinity Church
Parent Charles Rigby - Parent 2 Bella Rigby
Sandra
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1930 census Ramond Ave Los Angeles California
Samuel C Dotson 68 Head
Isabel Dotson 68 Wife. Age at first marriage 17. NA.
Edward J Rigby 26 Stepson (Step Son)
Harry Svoyter 28 Boarder
Samuel Dotson - died 1931
The Los Angeles Times Los Angeles, California 16 Aug 1931, Sun Page 3
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/78465404/obituary-for-samuel-c-dotson/
Sandra
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California Death - Name: Charles Rigby - Birth Year abt 1861
Death Date 6 Mar 1923 - Age 62 Los Angeles, California.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGFH-M5JZ
Death Certificate - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9SV-MZPP?i=1615&cc=2001287&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQGFH-M5JZ
Sandra
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Name Bella Watterson - Marriage Date 8 Jan 1888 Geneva, New York.
Spouse Charles Rigby - Certificate Number 531
Charles Rigby and Bella Watterson.
New York, U.S., Episcopal Diocese of Rochester Church Records - Bella Watterson
Marriage 8 Jan 1888 Trinity Church, Geneva, New York.
Spouse Charles Rigby
Residence of Samuel and Elizabeth Quigley.
Sandra
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Earlier in this posting, Isabelle Dotson's death in Los Angeles in 1948 was mentioned. She was the daughter of James Waterson and Matilda Booth. Today I received her obit and I will try to attach it. Names 7 children but they must be from 2 marriages as some are named Rigby.
The Geneva Gazette
Jan 13, 1888
pg: 3
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Sandra, You have done a marvellous job of tracing the family descendants down from Isabella Watterson with names of spouses and dates of death. Thank you very much. Will take me a while to get all this entered not that I’m complaining, certainly not. It is much appreciated.
Saw the name of Samuel Quigley in the last posting regarding Bella’s marriage. Likely a relative of some sort as there is a Nancy Ann Quigley on the tree but with a different branch of the Wattersons.
On my end, I have written to two different churches in Ireland looking for the baptisms of the children of John Watterson and Martha Martin since the baptisms are not at Woods Chapel.
Oh, I see a new posting by RJ137. This is great. Thank you for the marriage posting.
Peggy
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The surname Quigley also came up in this marriage entry - along with Waterson
Mary J. Waterson - Marriage Date 12 Oct 1882 Geneva, New York
Certificate Number 5714 - Robert Weir.
Mary J. Quigley - Marriage Date 12 Oct 1882 Geneva, New York.
Certificate Number 5714
Names
Mary J. Quigley
Mary J. Waterson
Robert Weir
Sandra
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1900 census the couple are in High Street Geneva Ward 2, Ontario, New York.
Robert Weir 43 Head
Mary J Weir 40 Born May 1860. Wife. Married 27 years. Spent 30 years in the USA. Imm 1870.
Sandra
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New York Death - Mary J Weir - Death Date 11 May 1914 Geneva
Certificate Number 29985
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG5X-53B9
1920 Pulteney Street Geneva Ward 2, Ontario, New York - Richard is widowed in the Durnin household - - boiler tender - natruralized -
Sandra
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Hmm. I wonder if Mary Jane was the daughter of George Watterson and Rachel Clarke as I have a note on my tree that she went to New York Sept 16,1878 which would fit with a subsequent marriage date of 1882 to Robert Weir. I see that the 1900 census says imm. 1870 but that may be wrong or my note may be wrong. Or she had come home for a visit in 1878 and was returning.
Are there parents listed on Mary Jane's death record in 1914? I have her date of baptism as June 15, 1858.
Thanks so much.
Peggy
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Haven't found any parents yet - just those bare details. Strange entries though.
Sandra
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This might not have any bearing but the names Quigley - Waterson stuck out, although the year of birth would be earlier than 1860 :-\
1875 census Geneva
I think it should be Mary J Waterson (not Mary I Waterson) born 1854 working as a servant for the Quigley family.
Mary was not with them in 1880
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VTDD-4QY
Sandra
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That could well be her and I see that the J in Mary J is the same as the first letter of Joseph Davis just below. Her age could be wrong unless I have her baptism wrong or its a different Mary Jane. But odds are, it is the correct Mary Jane.
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I have Mary Jane's baptism (parents George Watterson and Rachel Clarke) as June 15, 1858 which means she was born before that date but usually the baptism would take place within a year of birth not 4 years. Also her possible parents marriage was July 6, 1855.
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I see on that 1875 Geneva census that you sent there is a Margaret Quigley age 55. I am thinking she might be my Margaret Ann Watterson bapt June 5,1819 who may have married a Quigley and Benjamin is her son - it says Grandmother on census but must be mother as per the ages on census. So if Mary Jane is the daughter of George Watterson, who is Margaret Ann's brother, that would make Margaret Quigley age 55, Mary Jane's aunt. And Benjamin would be Mary Jane's cousin - all in the family. Why don't they just say cousin? But I have seen before when an adult son is in a household, he might be listed as servant, instead of son.
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This is the possible death of Margaret Quigley who died 30 April 1913
That was the last Ciry Directory I found her listed.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QGP6-Y915
Sandra
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Benjamin Quigley
Democrat and Chronicle Rochester, New York 15 Apr 1926, Thu Page 4
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/78486140/benjamin-quigley-15-april-1926/
Sandra
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I am thinking the Margaret Quigley who died 1913 would be Benjamin's wife, not his mother Margaret born 1819.
Thanks greatly for Benjamin's obit.
Peggy
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I see that on the 1880 Geneva, New York census, Benjamin Quigley no longer has mother Margaret Quigley living with him. She was 55 in 1875. Did she die between 1875-1880 or return to Ireland (doubtful) or move in with a different son such as possible Thomas living nearby in 1875.
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Sorry got held up on the phone. :)
FIND A GRAVE
Margaret Quigley - 1812 - 9 December 1906 (with obituary)
Glenwood Cemetery Geneva, Ontario County, New York.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/116964028/margaret-quigley
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVG6-XML1
Sandra
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1892 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X36K-Y21
Margaret Quigley Birth Year abt 1822
Age 70 - Residence Place Geneva,
Sandra
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1880 census Geneva
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZXG-XR1
Sandra
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I see on that 1875 Geneva census that you sent there is a Margaret Quigley age 55. I am thinking she might be my Margaret Ann Watterson bapt June 5,1819 who may have married a Quigley and Benjamin is her son - it says Grandmother on census but must be mother as per the ages on census. So if Mary Jane is the daughter of George Watterson, who is Margaret Ann's brother, that would make Margaret Quigley age 55, Mary Jane's aunt. And Benjamin would be Mary Jane's cousin - all in the family. Why don't they just say cousin? But I have seen before when an adult son is in a household, he might be listed as servant, instead of son.
There are tons of articles in the various Geneva papers about Quigley and Watterson with marriages and deaths.
This would be Margaret at Find A Grave with obit attached. A lot of the family seems to be buried in Glenwood Cemetery.
Margaret Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/116964028/margaret-quigley
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Both Robert Weir's obit in 1924 and his wife Mary J's obit in 1914 list Glenwood Cemetery as place of burial, though I don't see them listed on Find A Grave.
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Also, there is an Elisa Jane Watterson Quigley listed there.
Find A Grave: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/117116455/elisa-jane-quigley
Eliza married a Samuel Quigley in 1883.
Geneva Gazette
Friday, October 26, 1883
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Aha, so Margaret who died 1906 must be the mother Margaret on the 1875 census living with Benjamin. In 1880, she is with daughter Mary and is still 55. In 1892, she is back with Benjamin, age 70.
The marriage that you found earlier was a Mary Jane Watterson married to Robert Weir in 1882. So Margaret Quigley's daughter Mary Jane Quigley must also have married a Weir since she is listed on Margaret's obit as a daughter Mary Weir. Unless it should say niece (I doubt it).
Still betting mother Margaret Quigley was a Watterson by birth and awaiting a reply from Woods regarding the marriage of Margaret Watterson to a Quigley and the subsequent births of Benjamin and Thomas.
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Thank you RJ137 for the info on Eliza Jane Watterson and Samuel Quigley.
Also, need to sort out if Mary Jane Quigley also married a Weir as Margaret Quigley's obit because the earlier marriage was Mary Jane Watterson to Robert Weir in 1882. I must get this all entered on the tree so I can make better analysis of the situation.
thanks again
Peggy
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The surname Quigley also came up in this marriage entry - along with Waterson
Mary J. Waterson - Marriage Date 12 Oct 1882 Geneva, New York
Certificate Number 5714 - Robert Weir.
Mary J. Quigley - Marriage Date 12 Oct 1882 Geneva, New York.
Certificate Number 5714
Names
Mary J. Quigley
Mary J. Waterson
Robert Weir
Sandra
Both surnames were given Peggy
Sandra
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Ok. Wonder why both names are there.
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I am now looking at a couple William Quigley and Peggy aka Margaret Boothe who had a son Benjamin in 1847. Looking for the other siblings of Benjamin's to verify if this is this family. Margaret Quigley nee Boothe had parents Benjamin Boothe and Mary Ellison. On my tree, I have a James Watterson married to Matilda Boothe, who had father Benjamin, wondering if she is a sister to Margaret Boothe and wondering if they had a daughter Mary Jane in 1854 who might be 21 yr. old Mary Jane Watterson on the 1875 Geneva census with the Quigley family. If you recall James and Matilda had a daughter Isabelle Dotson who died in Los Angeles in 1948.
All of this bears further research.
Peggy
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Sorry got held up on the phone. :)
FIND A GRAVE
Margaret Quigley - 1812 - 9 December 1906 (with obituary)
Glenwood Cemetery Geneva, Ontario County, New York.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/116964028/margaret-quigley
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVG6-XML1
Sandra
We know that the other son was Thomas born 1850 - lived 10 Grant Avenue. Spouse Elizabeth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSLM-6F8
This might be worth investigating - ancestry tree says the parents of Thomas were :- John Quigley 1820 Londonderry - 1881 and Eliza Boothe 1830 - 21 November 1909 Sligo Ireland ??
Sandra
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If this marriage is correct then Thomas born 1850 is listed as the first born. No Benjamin or William ?
This marriage doesn't fit with the birth of William or Benjamin.
Eliza Boothe - Age 22 - Birth Date 1830 - Marriage Date 9 Jan 1852 Magherafelt, Derry, Ireland - Father Benjamin Boothe - Spouse John Quigley.
Sandra
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1875 census Geneva, Ontario, New York. (listed same page - below Benjamin Quigley)
Thomas Quigley Age 26
Elizabeth Quigley Age 24
James Quigley Age 23 Brother
Ester Quigley Age 22 Wife
John Quigley Age 1 Son
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:VTDD-47W
1900 census Grant Avenue Geneva
Thomas Quigley 50 Head. Teamster.
Elisabeth Quigley 48 Wife
Benjamin Quigley 24 Son
Mary M Quigley 19 Daughter
William Quigley 16 Son
Annie E Quigley 7 Daughter
Margaret R Quigley 6 Daughter
Sandra
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It would be the Thomas age 26 in 1875 that would be a brother to Benjamin who had his mother Margaret age 55 living with him. Also living with Benjamin is a brother William. All of that bears out with Margaret's obit in 1906. Also a daughter Sarah born Mar 1863 (some records say 1865 but if 1865, Sarah's birth should be on irishgenealogy)married to Charles Coddington and a daughter Mary Jane married to Robert Weir in 1882.
I have been told that Margaret Quigley nee Boothe and Matilda Watterson nee Boothe are not sisters but I still think we are looking at the family of William Quigley and Peggy Boothe in Geneva, New York. William must have died in Ireland.
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William Quigley (under Anigkey) is living with Sarah Coddington in 1910 Geneva Ward 5, Ontario, New York,
Sarah Codington 46 Head
William Anigley 65 Brother. Imm 1875. Single. NA. Contractor.
Minnie Codington22 Daughter
Carrie Codington 19 Daughter
and 1900Burrall Avenue Geneva Ward 5, Ontario, New York.
Charles Coddington 40 Head
Sarah Coddington 37 Wife
Meinnia D Coddington 12 Daughter
Carrie Coddington 9 Daughter
William Quigley 55 Brother in Law (Brother-in-law) Imm 1872. Day Labourer. Single.
Sandra
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Death of William Quigley - 1 March 1921
FIND A GRAVE
Glenwood Cemetery Geneva, Ontario County, New York.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/142188458/william-quigley
Sandra
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So far, the only verified baptism I have is a Benjamin Quigley bapt Oct 3, 1847 at Magherafelt Presbyterian to William Quigley and Peggy Boothe. That fits perfectly with Benjamin age 28 in 1875 in Geneva. Looking for the baptisms of his siblings William age 30 (he must be firstborn son) and Thomas age 26 on this census, also Sarah born 1863 and Mary Jane. Seems like correct family to me but not confirmed as yet.
I just noticed a brother James age 23 living with Thomas Quigley in 1875. If Margaret's obit is correct, and Thomas age 26 is one of Margaret's sons, James must have died before 1906.
James Watterson and Matilda Boothe had a daughter Eliza Jane Oct 15, 1858 who may be the one who married Samuel Quigley in 1883. Beginning to wonder if Matilda and Margaret could be half-siblings but don't know as yet.
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This was the one I was working on 1900 census - Allis Street Prattsburgh, Steuben, New York.
James Quigley 48 Head.
Esther Quigley 46 Wife. Married 1874.
S James Quigley 22 Son
John C Quigley 20 Son
Thomas L Quigley 17 Son
Anna Quigley 14 Daughter
Benjiman Quigley 12 Son
Florence Quigley 5 Daughter
Charles H Smith 48 Boarder
https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:MSGX-Q6L
1910 Water Street Prattsburg, Steuben, New York.
James Quigley Sr. 57 Head
Esther Quigley 56 Wife
John C Quigley 30 Son
Thomas L Quigley 24 Son
Annie L Quigley 24 Daughter
Benjamin Quigley 21 Son
Florence Quigley 15 Daughter
Mary Henderson 15 Ward
A John Legett 66 Boarder
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M54Q-RC8
1915 census - https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:K9PJ-8L
Sandra
1880 census - https://www.familysearch.org/search/ark:/61903/1:1:MSGX-Q6L
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Star-Gazette Elmira, New York 24 Nov 1928, Sat Page 16
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/78522787/obituary-for-james-quigley/
Sandra
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FIND A GRAVE
James Quigley 1853 - 1928 (interesting write up)
Prattsburgh Rural Cemetery Prattsburgh, Steuben County, New York.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15602652/james-s-quigley
Esther Quigley - 1853 - 1930
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/15602652/james-s-quigley
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QG66-NDVV
Sandra
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Obituary Esther Quigley -
Star-Gazette Elmira, New York 24 Sep 1930, Wed Page 15
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/78523159/obituary-for-esther-quigley/
Sandra
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pedigree tree
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/L8BD-FFW
Sandra
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Great work Sandra in chasing down William Quigley. Has to be right person as he is living with Sarah Coddington in 1900 and 1910. Quite the name mistranscription to Anigley in 1910. Since his age at death is 75, he was born abt 1846 which is in close agreement to his age of 30 in 1875.
Thanks ever so much.
Peggy
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Wow, that is quite the obit for James Quigley of Prattsburg. I will be devouring it very carefully. On the 1875 census, we have Benjamin with brother William in one household, and Thomas with brother James with wife Esther in another household. But is he really a brother, as James is 23 and Thomas is 26, and James' obit says he was the oldest of a family of 5 sons and 1 daughter whereas Margaret's obit says she had 3 sons and 2 daughters surviving her and doesn't mention this James who is still living. Maybe James is really a cousin. I have to study this.
Regarding his wife Esther Love, that brings us full circle to Nancy Jane Watterson, nee Love, that we were researching in Lincoln, Rhode Island, widow of Jonathan Watterson, who died in 1884 in Ireland and Nancy Jane aka Annie emigrated with all her children abt Sept 1890. Nancy and Esther's sister Mary Love married Samuel Henderson and they had a daughter Elizabeth in Dec 1897 after which Mary died, maybe a week later. The fourth sister Sarah Love married Robert Henderson.
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1900 census says Margaret Quigley Snr had 1 child and 1 living !! :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VTDD-4QT
1875 said Margaret Quigley was a grand-mother !! :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VTDD-4QT
Democrat and Chronicle Rochester, New York 26 Nov 1947, Wed Page 24
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/78527020/sarah-coddington-26-november-1947/
FIND A GRAVE
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/117116451/sarah-a.-coddington
Sandra
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Thoughts - Margaret Quigley, age 55, on the 1875 census, should be transcribed as mother, not grandmother, to the head of household who was Benjamin, age 28. On the 1900, she is back with Benjamin, and she is now age 79, and is his mother. Why on earth it would say 1 child, 1 living, I don't know. Misunderstood question? Alzheimers? Both?
Back to the 1875 census, maybe the Thomas Quigley living with brother James, is not Margaret's son Thomas. There is a puzzle though. When James dies in 1928, his obit says he has a brother Thomas in Geneva (maybe this is him in 1875), but his bio says he was the oldest of 5 sons and 1 daughter but .... Thomas in 1875 is older than him.
Standby. I am trying to sort it out.
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New York Passenger List - James Quigley aged 21 years - Sarah Quigley aged 19 years and Esther Love aged 19 years. (all together) Arriving New York 27 May 1873 on the City Of London.
Sandra
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I can't bring up that passenger list in Mar 1873 but we know that James Quigley married Esther Love Sept 5, 1873 in Geneva. Who is Sarah Quigley - I don't think it is Benjamin's sister as she was born abt 1863 so was not 19 in 1873.
James' bio says he had one sister. I have found her as Ann Jane born Apr 5, 1865 in Ballymulderg to John Quigley and Elizabeth Booth.
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Just dawned on me...................In the obituary for James Quigley 1928
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/78522787/obituary-for-james-quigley/
it says he is survived by........and one brother Thomas.
Thomas Quigley died 28 January 1926 - Geneva New York - Certificate Number 5594
Sandra
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I can't bring up that passenger list in Mar 1873
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPK-QXBY
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-RWGF-S?i=653&cc=1849782&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQVPK-QXBY
Sandra
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Thank you for the passenger list in 1873.
As for James Quigley's obit in 1928, I did comment in Repy # 142
"Back to the 1875 census, maybe the Thomas Quigley living with brother James, is not Margaret's son Thomas. There is a puzzle though. When James dies in 1928, his obit says he has a brother Thomas in Geneva (maybe this is him in 1875), but his bio says he was the oldest of 5 sons and 1 daughter but .... Thomas in 1875 is older than him.
Standby. I am trying to sort it out."
So do we have an obit for Margaret's son Thomas in 1926? Might help sort out the Thomas Quigleys. The other possibility is that Thomas in 1875 is Margaret's son Thomas but James is incorrectly listed as a brother instead of a possible cousin.
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I have just now found an online tree for John Quigley and Eliza Boothe which looks like it could be accurate. James Samuel is the oldest son and Ann Jane is the youngest child and there are 5 sons, none of them Thomas. So I would now say that the relationship on the 1875 census is inaccurate. But then so would the obit be but the bio would be correct with 5 sons and 1 daughter for John Quigley and Eliza Boothe.
James Samuel Quigley who died in 1928 in Prattsburg had a younger brother Samuel James (according to this tree) born May 9, 1857 who died June 11, 1937 in Geneva.
And guess what - Ann Jane Quigley married John Watterson in 1887 at Salterland Presbyterian Church, his father James Watterson of Carraloan.
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On the 1875 census, we have Benjamin with brother William in one household, and Thomas with brother James with wife Esther in another household. But is he really a brother, as James is 23 and Thomas is 26, and James' obit says he was the oldest of a family of 5 sons and 1 daughter whereas Margaret's obit says she had 3 sons and 2 daughters surviving her and doesn't mention this James who is still living. Maybe James is really a cousin. I have to study this.
Regarding his wife Esther Love, that brings us full circle to Nancy Jane Watterson, nee Love, that we were researching in Lincoln, Rhode Island, widow of Jonathan Watterson, who died in 1884 in Ireland and Nancy Jane aka Annie emigrated with all her children abt Sept 1890. Nancy and Esther's sister Mary Love married Samuel Henderson and they had a daughter Elizabeth in Dec 1897 after which Mary died, maybe a week later. The fourth sister Sarah Love married Robert Henderson.
To help complete the circle and connect more dots, here is the obit for Thomas's wife Elizabeth. She died in 1914. Elisabeth was the sister of Ester (Love) Quigley and Nancy J (Love) Watterson.
Geneva Daily Times
Monday, January 12, 1914
pg: 9
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As for James Quigley's obit in 1928, I did comment in Repy # 142
"Back to the 1875 census, maybe the Thomas Quigley living with brother James, is not Margaret's son Thomas. There is a puzzle though. When James dies in 1928, his obit says he has a brother Thomas in Geneva (maybe this is him in 1875), but his bio says he was the oldest of 5 sons and 1 daughter but .... Thomas in 1875 is older than him.
Standby. I am trying to sort it out."
So do we have an obit for Margaret's son Thomas in 1926? Might help sort out the Thomas Quigleys. The other possibility is that Thomas in 1875 is Margaret's son Thomas but James is incorrectly listed as a brother instead of a possible cousin.
Here is Thomas's obit in 1926. Listed surviving siblings are a brother Benjamin F Quigley and a sister Mrs. Charles Coddington of Rochester. He was buried at Washington Street Cemetery, the same cemetery listed for his wife Elizabeth.
Geneva Daily Times
Friday, January 29, 1926
pg: 9
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Wow, RJ137. This is fantastic. You have solved a mystery. On the 1875 census, James Quigley married to Esther Love was actually brother-in-law to Thomas Quigley married to Elizabeth Love. I didn't know about Elizabeth, possibly because she was deceased before Nancy J. Watterson in 1926 so not in Nancy's obit.
Thank you
Peggy
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Mary Henderson, nee Love, died in Rhode Island Jan 8, 1898. I had previously found her daughter Elizabeth being raised by Nancy J. Watterson and then another daughter Mary, a ward of James Quigley in 1910. Since Mary married in 1884, to Samuel Henderson, there are probably more children which I am not aware of. Perhaps her obit would name them.
Peggy
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I found an online tree for Samuel Henderson and Mary Love. In addition, I found the date of birth for Elizabeth as Jan 24, 1898. However, her mother supposedly died Jan 8, maybe it is really Jan 28. Elizabeth is noted as the 9th child although the second child was stillborn (a male). Elizabeth was raised by Nancy Jane aka Annie Watterson. Second youngest Mary was a ward of James Quigley in 1910.
Peggy
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Sandra,
In reply #50, you have the parents of Jane Watterson as Leonard W. Watterson, and Eliza Martha Martin. Is there any way to access the Millennium File quoted beneath?
Millenium File
Name Hugh Caldwell (Sr) Martin Birth Date 30 Nov 1834 Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scottland
Death Date 26 May 1903 Swan Valley, Bonneville, Idaho.
Marriage Date 18 Jun 1863
Father George Leadley Martin - Mother Janet Martin Osborne - Spouse Jane Watterson
Children Hugh Caldwell (Jr) Martin
Spouse Father Leonard W Watterson Spouse Mother Eliza Martha Martin.
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Sandra,
In reply #50, you have the parents of Jane Watterson as Leonard W. Watterson, and Eliza Martha Martin. Is there any way to access the Millennium File quoted beneath?
Millenium File
Name Hugh Caldwell (Sr) Martin Birth Date 30 Nov 1834 Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scottland
Death Date 26 May 1903 Swan Valley, Bonneville, Idaho.
Marriage Date 18 Jun 1863
Father George Leadley Martin - Mother Janet Martin Osborne - Spouse Jane Watterson
Children Hugh Caldwell (Jr) Martin
Spouse Father Leonard W Watterson Spouse Mother Eliza Martha Martin.
Unfortunately there was no image.
https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/15730/how-reliable-is-the-millennium-file
Did you have a look thru family search ?
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/KWCH-QSN
Sandra
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Yes, I checked out these references. The millennium file has Jane‘s parents as Leonard Watterson and Eliza Martin where as FamilySearch has her parents as John Watterson and Martha Martin. Documents in Salt Lake City say John and Martha. Somewhere I saw that Jane’s baptism is at Woods Chapel but it definitely is not. I wrote to a Church in Co. Tyrone in May and I’m still awaiting a reply regarding Jane’s baptism. I checked another church nearby to Woods and Jane’s baptism is not there. At one point findagrave had Jane’s father as Leonard Martin which would not be correct.