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Hi Everyone
Has anyone come across this family in their research?
GEORGE GALL
Born: Possibly Inverarity and Methy, Angus
Occupation: Farmhand / Shepherd
Residence: Angus, From 1860 Buchanan, Stirling
1841 Census not located in Angus
1851 to check
1861 to check
Date of Death: 08/10/1869
GEORGE GALL Marriage Banns (1) 23/05/1849 JANE CLARK at Inverarity and Methy, Angus Marriage Banns (2) JEAN CLARK 06/07/1849 at Kirkden, Angus.
JANE CLARK
Christened: 20/10/1822
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Residence: Angus, from about 1860 Buchanan Parish, Stirling
Date of Death: 18/03/1899 aged 77
Place of Death: Townfoot, Drymen, Stirling
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Children of GEORGE GALL and JANE CLARK are:
1. WILLIAM GALL b.1852
2. ANN GALL. b.01/07/1854, Woodhill, Barry, Angus
3. MARY GALL b. 12/05/1856, Woodhill, Barry, Angus
4. MARGARET LUMGAIR GALL b.22/03/1859. Brechin, Angus
kind regards
Keith Scott
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Hello Keith, Found your site,re-gall family.I have Robert Mcgregor married to Ann Gall, Robert is the brother to my great grand father Peter Mcgregor born Callander,Perthshire,Scotland.
Peter born 1832 married 1860,Stirling,Scotland to Mary Mcgibbon,they immigrated to Australia,1862. If you would like the information of their family please e.mail me.
Kind Regards
Janet Brechin
Australia.
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Hello Janet
Thank you for your note. Ann Gall is my G Grandmother's sister and I am not really following that family. However you should make contact with Jim McGregor - who is part of your McGregor family
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kind regards
Keith
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Hi Keith and Janet
These are the list of children showing to George Gall and Jean Clark, from IGI. A few gaps there, so there may have been more:
1. JANE GALL Birth: 22 JUL 1848/ Christening: 03 SEP 1848 Carmyllie, Angus, Scotland
2. WILLIAM CLARK GALL Birth: 17 MAR 1852/ Christening: 12 APR 1852 Port Of Monteith, Perth, Scotland
3. WILLIAM GALL Birth: 31 JAN 1853/ Christening: 28 FEB 1853 Kirkden, Angus, Scotland
4. ANN GALL Birth: 01 JUN 1854/ Christening: 01 JUL 1854 Barry, Angus, Scotland
5. MARY GALL Birth: 12 MAY 1856 Barry, Angus, Scotland
6. MARGARET LUMGAIR GALL Birth: 22 MAR 1859 Brechin, Angus, Scotland
7. DAVID GALL Birth: 20 JUL 1861 Drymen, Stirling, Scotland
8. GEORGE GALL Birth: 13 JUN 1863 Drymen, Stirling, Scotland
9. MAY MARTIN GALL Birth: 10 AUG 1865 Drymen, Stirling, Scotland
Regards.
Monica
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This looks likely for Jane Clark Gall, with George away from the home, in the 1851 Census:
Jane Gall 27, farm labourer's wife, b. Monikie, Forfarshire
Jane Gall 2, b. Carmyllie, Forfarshire
Agnes Gall 10 Mo, b. Oathlaw, Forfarshire
Address: Cotton Carrot, Inverarity, Angus
There's also a George Gall working in a farm at the Peter's household:
Geroge Gall, 27, farm labourer, b. Tannadice, Forfarshire
Address: Garth, Forfar, Angus
The index doesn't show marital status. You would need to view the original image, on Scotlands People, to confirm.
Regards.
Monica
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And in 1861:
George Gall 59, shepherd, b. Inverarity, Forfarshire
Jean Gall 37, b. Monikie, Forfarshire
Jean Gall 12, b. Carmylie, Forfarshire
William Gall 9, b. Port of Menteith, Perthshire
Ann Gall 6, b. Barry, Forfarshire
Mary Gall 4, b. Barry, Forfarshire
Margaret Gall 2, b. Brechin, Forfarshire
Address: Ibert, Drymen, Stirlingshire
With George's age showing as 59, not sure if this is a transcription error on the index. If not, then the George I posted for 1851 can't be him! Again, the original image would confirm.
Regards.
Monica
Added: SP have him also indexed on the 1861 census as age 59. However, his age at death in Buchanan, Stirling in 1869 is 47....so the 1851 census entry could still be him...
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Last one on the censuses :) The best fit for George in the 1841 cens, all showing as born in the county:
George GALL, 18, agricultural labourer
Andrew Lowdon, 18, agricultural labourer
Andrew Colvile, 12, agricultural labourer
Address: Bothey Of North Mains Of Inverighty, Kinnettles, Angus
And for Jane Clark, working in a Beattie household, as a Female Servant:
Jane CLARK, 18, FS, born in the county.
Address: West Downie, Monikie, Angus
Regards.
Monica
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Thanks, Monica, for all the detail. I'm descended from Ann Gall, born 1854. Janet is descended form Ann's bother-in-law, Peter McGregor. Keith is descended from Jane Gall, born 1848.
Keith's query is a little old. After Rootsweb upgraded its Mailing List search feature late last year, I was able to find a similar query, establish our relationship and also find a query from Ian Hodges, a descendant from Mary Gall, born 1856.
I hadn't found Jane Clark in the 1841 Census. Thank you.
The 1851 Census for George Gall at Garth,Forfar has his status as Married and I've assumed that he was Jane Clark's husband. His birthplace is in the IGI as Inverarity (George Gaul, b. 07Jul1822), not Tannadice. His brother David (David Gall, ch. 11Apr1816) was from Tannadice, however.
The 1861 Census image does show George as age 59; he was 39.
The 1871 Census has Jean Gall (with Mary, Margaret, David, George and May) living as an annuitant at Tenunich, which was probably near Balmaha on the shore of Loch Lomond.
The 1881 LDS Census CDs do have a transcription error for the family. Jane Clark's birthplace is listed as Berry, Forfarshire, not Barry (of Monikie Parish). Berry was sometimes used as an abbreviation for Broughty Ferry, the home of many Galls (and Gauls and Gaulds). Some of George's siblings are listed as Gale in the IGI; the writing in the OPR could be interpreted as either Gall or Gale. The LDS transcribers weren't the only one's to make errors. Two of David's sons came to Canada and had children/grandchildren occasionally registered as Fall or Hall. One of David's grandsons was registered as Kemp Stevens Sutherland Gall when born but the family called him Robert Alexander Stephen Gall.
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Hello again
I note in your last posting that you have me descended from Jane (Jean) Gall born 1848 but my g grandmother was Mary Gall born 1856. Are you sure Ian Hodges is descended from Mary also? If so I would like to get in contact
kind regards
Keith
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Sorry. I really screwed that up.
- Jane married John Sutherland in 1866 and they raised seven children in Dunbartonshire; Andy Gibson is the descendant I was able to find in Rootsweb, not Keith Scott.
- Agnes Gall and William Clark Gall both seemed to have died as children.
- William Gall married Sarah Ferguson McGillvray in 1888.
- Ann Gall married Robert McGregor in 1874. I'm descended from their only son.
- Mary Gall married James Laird Scott in 1879. They left for New Zealand the next day and had nine children. Keith Scott is their descendant, not Ian Hodges.
- Margaret Lumgair Gall married Samuel McDiarmid in 1875.
- David Gall married Mary Gourlay. Like his father and Robert McGregor, he worked at Ibert Home Farm,Drymen and Buchanan Smithy,Buchanan for the Duke of Montrose but died in 1949 at Lesmahagow, Lanarkshire.
- George Gall married Jessie Lowe in 1889.
- May Martin Gall married Robert Candlish in 1892.
I also mentioned Ian Hodges. He is related to Robert McGregor's sister-in-law. Robert's brother Duncan McGregor married Ann MacGregor of Aberfoyle in 1856.
George Gall, Sr was working at Buchanan Castle Estate of the Duke of Montrose by 1861, when his son David was born. George drowned in Loch Lomond in 1869. Duncan McGregor was working on the Estate by 1869, when his daughter Janet was born. By the 1871 Census, Robert was living at the Ibert Home Farm (now called Buchanan Home Farm) Bothy in Drymen Parish. The ninth hole of the Buchanan Castle Golf Course is called Ibert.
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The George Gall who drowned in Loch Lomong in 1869 was my 3rd grandfather. I am trying to find any record of the circumstances of the drowning ,can you help
thanks gallgeo49
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The George Gall who drowned in Loch Lomong in 1869 was my 3rd grandfather. I am trying to find any record of the circumstances of the drowning ,can you help
thanks gallgeo49
Have you got the death certificate? If not, go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, invest in 30 credits at modest cost, and use 6 of them to find and download the death certificate. This may or may not have a stamp or note in the left margin indicating the existence of an entry in the Register of Corrected Entries (RCE). If so, use another 2 credits to see what it tells you.
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I have a copy of the death certificate which unfortunately just states "drowned Loch Lomond"but I am hoping to find more detailed info.
I have just started researching a whole generation of my Gall ancestors who lived and worked in the Drymen/ Buchlyvie area most of them worked at Ibert Farm/Buchanan home farm and resided at Buchanan Smithy Buchlyvie. My 2nd grand father George Gall was born in Buchlyvie and I believe worked at Balfron Station before he got the job of station master at the newly built station at Whistlefield Garelochhead in 1896 whence he created the next generations in this area.
Thanks for your help
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I had a rake around in the Gale 19th century newspapers but found nothing there. You could try the British Library Newspaper colection, which is more extensive.
The Glasgow Herald archive is online, but incomplete and unindexed, so you'd have to start with the day after the death and work through them to see if you can find anything. I have forgotten exactly where, but I'm sure someone else will be along shortly to remind me.
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George gall was drowned in Loch Lomond while working for the duke of Montrose. They were herding cattle across the lake using two boats when George tried to jump into the second boat to control some cattle. He went under and never surfaced.
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Hello Cousin,
My name is Jane Spencer and my Grandmother was Mary Jean Gall (born in Buchannon Smithy) her father (my grandfather David Gall). My great, great grandfather was also George Gall who was drowned. I have a family tree that was sent to me covering most of the Galls. I have visited George's grave and the Buchannon estate houses where they lived - beautiful.
I very much hope you will contact me so that we can exchange information and photos.
Very best wishes,
Jane
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Pleased to meet you cousin. Mary Gall was my great grandmother, born at Woodhill, Barry, and George Gall was my 2x great grandfather. In the 1871 census Mary Gall was 14 years old and there is a David Gall who was her younger brother. He was 9. is he your relative? Keith is also my cousin.
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Hello Nancy?
My gt, gt grandfather/grandmother was George Gall (who drowned) and Jane Clark.
My gt grandfather was their son David who married Mary Gourlay. My grandmother is their daughter Mary Jean (not mentioned in Keith Scott's tree as Mary Jean was not in the census as she had left home to work). I am in contact with her brother William's daughter Nancy who has given me some photos. William went with his father David from Drymen to a farm they bought in Lanark.
I would like to visit Drymen again next year 2016. It would be wonderful if we could arrange a Gall Clan get together.
I would really like to chat to find out more information and family tales. So many of us have been given family first names.
Looking forward to hearing from as many Galls as possible.
Best wishes,
Jane
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Hi jane,
Id love to visit the places they lived but dont know if i could do it in 2016. I would also love to see any photos. Im living in western australia.
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Hello Nancy,
Certainly I can send you the photos I have and the family tree kindly sent to me by Keith Scott (Gall) who has done an extensive search into his Scott side and Gall (he is related to Mary Gall who married James Scott and moved to NZ). I assume you know him as he lived in Sydney and is now back in New Zealand. Unfortunately, I don't have his new contact details.
Can you send your email address to mine: (*)
I think it would be easier for me to send you all photos etc via this.
Best wishes,
Jane
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Hi ,Have just come across your post on Roots chat re George Gall. George was my g/ grandfather, the account of his death can be found in the Dumbarton herald October 14th 1869, and reads>fatal boat accident. on Friday afternoon, two men in the service of the Duke of Montrose proceeded to Inchmurrin in a boat to take a cow to the mainland on the Buchanan side of Loch Lomond, on the return voyage the cow became restive and ultimately leaped out of the boat dragging with it the herd who had a rope attached to its head, the man left in the boat which was fortunately not capsized was unable to render any assistance to his companion who seems to have been hurt in being dragged out of the boat as he only once came to the surface, the body of the deceased was recovered the same evening. The cow contrived we understand to swim back to the island. The conveying of cattle to and from the islands on Loch Lomond in open boats seems to be attended with great danger, and this fatal casualty may be expected to lead to the introduction of some safer plan. My father and myself both worked on the Buchanan estate until the late 1960s. I have the full family tree going back to 1674 with many of the certificates. DA Gall.
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Hi David, its absolutely wonderful to hear from you especially as you actually worked on the Buchanan Estate! What was it like working there and did they improve the way they conveyed cattle?
When I first started researching family historu, I was terribly sad to learn that my 2x great grandfather had drowned in Loch Lomond. Family history doesn't always bring great stories to life but some sad ones as well. In fact, some of my French Canadian ancestors were massacred by Indians!
Mary Gall is my great grandmother. I think she was 14 when her father drowned. It seems some of the Scotts didn't approve of james scott and Mary getting married so they married at Buchanan with very few people being there and two days later were on The Nelson, sailing to the south island of New Zealand.
They did really well in Gimmerburn and had two farms, Diamond Hill and Idaburn. As a child I lived at Idaburn which I loved so I lived in the same house as Mary Gall although I never knew her.
I would absolutely love to have a copy of the full family history. i think Jane Spencer would too. I will try and work out the system to give you my email address. I certainly would like to know more about your life, Buchanan and the Galls.
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Hi. I believe I am related to you. My great grandfather was George Gall. He was born at Ibert Drymen, married Jessie Lowe and went on to become stationmaster at Whistlefield Garelochhead. His son Robert Gall was my grandfather who married Jane Hepburn of Garelochhead. They had one daughter, Mary Gall and I am her eldest daughter. I have enjoyed reading your family info especially as I have been researching my family tree.
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You certainly are! Your great grandfather George was my great grandmother Mary Gall's younger brother! And you will be related to others on this site.
Your George got married ten years after his older sister Mary left for New Zealand.
He did brilliantly to become a Stationmaster in those difficult times.
Regards
Nancy
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Hi Nancy. Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. I have been checking up on some facts about my grandfather Robert Gall. He did an apprenticeship in joinery at a small village very near to Drymen called Croftamie and while there he appears to have either visited or even stayed with his Auntie Ann in Milton of Buchanan, between Drymen and Balmaha. I believe Auntie Ann is Ann McGregor. Just another wee snippet of information. If I remember any more I'll get back to you.
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Hello,
I am researching my husband's tree and found this thread about the Galls.
His 2nd great grandfather is George Gall who drowned in Loch Lomond. His great grandfather was William Clark Gall; grandfather William Paterson Gall.
We live in Canada but have travelled to Scotland in 2022, 2023, and plan on visiting in 2025.
My husband visited Scotland with his mother in the early 1970's and remembers visiting a David Gall and his wife Chrissy. They lived in Garelochhead.
It would be great to connect with other Gall relatives!
Thanks, Elizabeth