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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Banffshire => Topic started by: Craigellachie2019 on Saturday 12 June 21 13:51 BST (UK)
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Hello all, I am hoping someone may be able to help. I have been searching these people for a while and recently bought a few certs but can't determine a person's birth. Her name is Ann Anne or Annie Stewart - supposedly born about 1865. Her two marriages and death certs state her parents as John Stewart and Jessie Thomson. I have also purchased and found census for 1871 1881 1891 and 1901. As a 6 and 16 year old Annie is living with her grandparents William Thomson and Margaret Cowie. (1871 and 1881 census). In the 1891 census she is still living with her grandparents, but this time has her 3 children living with them Margaret, John and James. She is widowed from John McIntosh 1862-1887. She married again in 1892 to James Cowie who died in 1927. Annie died in 1961. William Thomson and Margaret Cowie married in Sep 1846. Margaret died in June 1902. Annie Cowie - granddaughter, notified of her death. I cannot find any children they had - so can't verify Jessie/Jane/Janet Thomson as theirs. I cannot find any marriage of John Stewart and Jessie Thomson. I cannot find an Ann/e/ie Stewart Stuart born to a John Stewart and Jessie Thomson. I would love to sort this out as I believe the John Stewart may be part of my Stewart line which may also help fill in some missing links. Thanking in advance for any help you may be able to offer.
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The thought that springs immediately to mind is that Ann/Anne/Annie was probably illegitimate.
For example, Ann Thomson, born 31 March 1865 in Rathven, mother Jessie Thomson, father not named?
There's a 24-year-old Jessie Thomson, daughter, in the household of William Thomson and Margaret Cowie in 1871.
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I think Forfarian is right.
In 1871 you mention that Ann is with her grandparents, so if I have the correct census this is Ann.
STEWART ANN 1871 F 6 164/ 8/ 43 Rathven Banff
Also at this reference the THOMSON family.
WILLIAM 52, MARGARET 51, JESSIE 24,, ALEXANDER 17
1881
William Thomson Head Married 56 1825 Fisherman Buckie, Banffshire,
Margaret Thomson Wife Married 57 1824 - Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
Jane Cowie Servant Unmarried 45 1836 Domestic servant Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
Ann Stewart Granddaughter - 16 1865 General servant Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
William Milne Grandson - 5 1876 Scholar Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
WILLIAM THOMPSON Married MARGARET COWIE 29/09/1846 Rathven
I do not see any children on SP for the above?
Looking at the 1861 census I think Jessie on the 1871 census is the 14 year old daughter of William & Margaret called Janet.
Is this the mother of Ann 1865?
Colin
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The thought that springs immediately to mind is that Ann/Anne/Annie was probably illegitimate.
For example, Ann Thomson, born 31 March 1865 in Rathven, mother Jessie Thomson, father not named?
There's a 24-year-old Jessie Thomson, daughter, in the household of William Thomson and Margaret Cowie in 1871.
Thank you Forfarian - I had thought Annie was probably illegitimate, but for some reason the thought to look for her under Thomson instead of Stewart hadn't occurred to me. I am also wondering about Jessie as I haven't found her birth nor any children by William Thomson and Margaret Cowie.
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I think Forfarian is right.
In 1871 you mention that Ann is with her grandparents, so if I have the correct census this is Ann.
STEWART ANN 1871 F 6 164/ 8/ 43 Rathven Banff
Also at this reference the THOMSON family.
WILLIAM 52, MARGARET 51, JESSIE 24,, ALEXANDER 17
1881
William Thomson Head Married 56 1825 Fisherman Buckie, Banffshire,
Margaret Thomson Wife Married 57 1824 - Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
Jane Cowie Servant Unmarried 45 1836 Domestic servant Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
Ann Stewart Granddaughter - 16 1865 General servant Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
William Milne Grandson - 5 1876 Scholar Buckie, Banffshire, Scotland
WILLIAM THOMPSON Married MARGARET COWIE 29/09/1846 Rathven
I do not see any children on SP for the above?
Looking at the 1861 census I think Jessie on the 1871 census is the 14 year old daughter of William & Margaret called Janet.
Is this the mother of Ann 1865?
Colin
Yes Colin, that is what I found too. I also think Forfarian is right, but I also wonder about William and Margaret. I can't find any children either, let alone Janet/Jessie's birth. I might buy William's death cert. There is a Margaret born to a William Thomson and Isabel Cowie 1840. I wonder if this is the same William.
Anne
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On the 1861 census there are three children.
Janet/Jessie 14, William 11 & Alexander 7
WILLIAM THOMSON Died 19 Mmn - COWIE 1869 Rathven
1871 census would suggest they only had those three all before Statutory Registration.
I did discover two baptisms on family search, William 1864 & Helen 1870,
however there was a later marriage, just to confuse.
WILLIAM THOMSON Married MARGARET COWIE 1863 Rathven
Colin
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Yes thats the information i found too. Janet or Jessie just disappears after 1871. I found that later marriage too. Had found the right one earlier though.
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Janet or Jessie just disappears after 1871.
Janet/Jessie Thomson married William Milne, apparently on 12 Feb 1875 at Tulliallan (according to the birth records of two of their children), although I can find no record of the marriage on SP. The William Milne, grandson, who appears in the 1881 census with William Thomson and Margaret Cowie is their son.
This is the family in 1881, 1891 and 1901 in Buckie:
1881
William Milne, head, fisherman, 39, Buckie, Banffshire (think the age may actually be 29)
Jessie Milne, wife, 36, Buckie, Banffshire
Jane Milne, daughter, 3, Buckie, Banffshire
1891
William Milne, head, fisherman, 38, Buckie, Banffshire
Jessie Milne, wife, 44, Buckie, Banffshire,
Jane Milne, daughter, 14, Buckie, Banffshire
Williamina, daughter, 9, Buckie, Banffshire
Helen A Milne, daughter, 5, Buckie, Banffshire
1901
William Milne, head, fisherman, 48, Buckie, Banffshire
Jessie Milne, wife, 50, Buckie, Banffshire (age might be 56)
Jeannie Milne, daughter, 22, Buckie, Banffshire
Helen A Milne, daughter, 14, Buckie, Banffshire
William Smith, nephew, 3, Buckie, Banffshire
Alexander Milne, nephew, 1 mo, Buckie, Banffshire
Jessie Milne (ms Thomson) died in 1927 in Newhills, Aberdeenshire.
Ruth
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I wonder if this is them and the date on the birth records was wrong?
WILLIAM MILNE to JANE THOMSON
1873 Tarves
Colin
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I would love to sort this out as I believe the John Stewart may be part of my Stewart line which may also help fill in some missing links.
On Annie Stewart’s marriage to John McIntosh in 1885, she names her father as John Stewart, mason.
On the 1861 census for Rathven, there is a suitable John Stewart, 19, mason. This John Stewart is the son of James Stewart and Georgina Munro, b. abt 1841, Buckie. He married Jane Cormack in 1869 in Buckie. They had 12 children (according to several trees on Ancestry). John Stewart died in 1914 in Buckie.
Ruth
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Thank you Ruth Helen. Im just in a bis on my way to work so will check him out later to see if he is in my tree somewhere