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Title: THOMPSONs of Wicklow connections to USA + ENGLAND
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 09 July 21 13:02 BST (UK)
Id like to link john joseph THOMPSONb 1858 Wicklow m ellen SHERWIN .their American born son +
 7 daughters

To Elizabeth Denise Thompson b 1948 m name Kimg
D.1992 Arlington Virginia

According to her death record her father was Noel Thompson who i believe is the one born ireland 1928 d Darlington England 8 jan 1911.
(* I do of course mean 2011 death)

# but thats the wrong noel Thompson

I think the informant ms Doherty eas not a relative

Heres link to the Wicklow descendants in USA

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=850748.0
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 09 July 21 13:08 BST (UK)
Elizabeth Denise died as  denise Passman
Divorce records for conrad Passman says it was her third marriage  another was to    Willamson also in USA they had two children.

Looking for information on her father and Thompson grandparent
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: heywood on Friday 09 July 21 14:02 BST (UK)
brigidmac,
Please could you clarify the dates re Noel Thompson.
Thanks :)
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 09 July 21 14:53 BST (UK)
Sorry Heywood have modified .
I spend too much time in 1900's
But have got WiFi back now so hopefully will answer more promptly

I suppose i should have posted this on general Ireland forum as noel Thompson could be born anywhere
I dont often research Irish data .

Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: heywood on Friday 09 July 21 14:54 BST (UK)
I usually fill births in as 18.. for the same reason   ;)
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 09 July 21 15:33 BST (UK)
Back to Wicklow Thompson s
There is a Bidelia Thompson b 27 feb 1865
With parents john Thompson and Elizabeth winterbottom
ancestry says b Aughrim Wicklow Ireland
Quite an unusual name
Other thread has family search record not seen original
A baptism or census would be good

There is also a Elizabeth FINLEY b 1865 D dies usa 1938 who gives parengts names as john Thompson b ireland+ betty Thompson b ireland maiden name winterbottom

Son Robert finlay of cambden street b dublin 4 dec 1880
A family travellimg to new York from Liverpool
 robert age 7 father robert age 31 mrs findlay30
John 5 mary 3 and infant Elizabeth
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Friday 09 July 21 15:43 BST (UK)
There is a Bidelia Thompson b 27 feb 1865
With parents john Thompson and Elizabeth winterbottom
ancestry says b Aughrim Wicklow Ireland

Here's the link-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03587/2322383.pdf

Born in Killacloran townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/wicklow/ballinacor-south/kilpipe/aughrim/killacloran/

KG

Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 09 July 21 15:58 BST (UK)
Thank you it givesfathers job as trader man
And the informant Marie Jane Thompson is another person for me to look for ..... grandmother? Or aunt ?
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: heywood on Friday 09 July 21 15:59 BST (UK)
Marriage of Robert Finlay and Lizzie Thompson 1880
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11026/8032181.pdf

Her father -John, a Slater and a witness James Thompson
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 09 July 21 16:55 BST (UK)
Witness could also have been her brother
Good to have profession s and their signatures to compare with future documents
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 09 July 21 17:15 BST (UK)
1891 England census Kendal
Westmoreland
Theres a single 25 year old cartridge packer
Bedelia ,THOMPSON b ireland
Boardimg with william and emma NEWBY + children

In 1894 theres a marriage for Bedelia jane H THOMPSON  in Kendel 10b1043

whether this is same Bedelia depends how common a name it is
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: heywood on Friday 09 July 21 17:22 BST (UK)
Possibly more family here
Marriage William Thomson, Slater with father John Thompson, Slater
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10390/5783020.pdf

1901 census - William and Violet
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/New_Kilmainham/Albert_Place/1289549/

1911 -William and Violet with children and extended family etc
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/New_Kilmainham/Emmet_Road/56340/

There is a child here Noel but he is born abt 1907  ???

Where do you have Noel born abt 1928?
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: heywood on Friday 09 July 21 17:25 BST (UK)
Here is the marriage you refer to - Noel Thompson (father William) and King
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1942/08804/5183010.pdf

So it looks as though he was born 1906
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01710/1677634.pdf

He is therefore, the grandson of John and Elizabeth.
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Friday 09 July 21 17:36 BST (UK)

There is a child here Noel but he is born abt 1907  ???


Noel Cecil Thompson born 29th December 1906.    MMN McCrodden
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01710/1677634.pdf

Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: RJ137 on Friday 09 July 21 18:23 BST (UK)
Marriage of Robert Finlay and Lizzie Thompson 1880
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1880/11026/8032181.pdf

Her father -John, a Slater and a witness James Thompson


They had a son, Robert Jr. in Dec 1880

Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRS6-5RH

The family immigrated in 1888.

Passenger Ship List: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVPN-R9N6

The family in 1900 census. Last name is mis-transcribed.

1900 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MSVL-3KB

The family in 1905 census for NY. -Ignore children as being born in the US prior to 1888.

1905 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPX5-3ZX

Robert Jr married Sarah Rosenzweig in 1906 Brooklyn, NY

Marriage: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:249Z-PYG

They have a son, Harold, born 1906.

Birth: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WHD-4RS

Ignore POB(CT) in census for Robert Jr.

1910 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M584-V4H

1915 Census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K927-SLW

Robert Jr dies in 1928.

Death: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W1K-99J

Sarah is widowed in 1930 census with son Harold and her mother Anna Rosenzweig

1930 census: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4PD-11P
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: heywood on Friday 09 July 21 18:25 BST (UK)

There is a child here Noel but he is born abt 1907  ???


Noel Cecil Thompson born 29th December 1906.    MMN McCrodden
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01710/1677634.pdf

I was leaving Noel at first for brigidmac to decide but then after finding the marriage  I posted the birth with the date of birth in my next reply.
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: heywood on Friday 09 July 21 18:34 BST (UK)
Id like to link john joseph THOMPSONb 1858 Wicklow m ellen SHERWIN .their American born son +
 7 daughters

To Elizabeth Denise Thompson b 1948 m name Kimg
D.1992 Arlington, Virginia

Probable birth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F18N-223

Likely death for Noel Thompson - Dublin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1961/04330/4118831.pdf
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 09 July 21 18:45 BST (UK)
Thats marvelous
I cant keep up but it looks like youve solved the dna puzzle

I got noels age from a death record of a noel Thompson in Darlington

The KING first name was not Isabella on Denise Elizabeth Thompson s death certificate for her mother

There could be another Noel Thompson + King marriage i suppose
Ive got to go through all this information then check all the DNA matches

Busy weekend ahead
Title: Re: THOMPSON s of Wicklow connections to USA + England
Post by: brigidmac on Friday 09 July 21 21:25 BST (UK)

Are we supposing that noels father william was son of john THOMPSON and Elizabeth winterbottom

Have i missed evidence .?

William THOMPSON and Elizabeth Violet MCCRODDEN had at least 7 children
in 1911
Rose 11
 Robert 9
Albert 8
clement  noel 4
gladys 2
& Baby Sydney

With them were
 Relatives margaret MCCRODDEN 55 and Josephine MCCRODDEN widow nurse + boarders and visitors

I hope that wasnt the William thompson who died in WW1

Do 1939 records exist for Ireland ?
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: heywood on Friday 09 July 21 22:04 BST (UK)
There is so much information. What do you think?

Reply #8
Lizzie Thompson’s father was John, a slater.

Reply #11
William Thompson - father John a slater
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: heywood on Friday 09 July 21 22:08 BST (UK)
Perhaps there is a John, son of John - generation between John and William  :-\
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: heywood on Friday 09 July 21 23:02 BST (UK)
I have found these. You will have to check and see if they apply to your family. You had Bidelia b Killacloran

Marriage 1875 (Killacloran)
John Joseph Thompson, widower and Rosanna Shiel
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11212/8109855.pdf

Death of John Thompson 1902
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05696/4606028.pdf

1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Aughrim/Killacloran/1814418/

I can’t find the births of the children from 1901 nor a death for Elizabeth Thompson before 1875

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If you look at 1911 Household form, it looks as though there is an entry for William which is crossed through. It is feint and is open to interpretation.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003646971/
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: brigidmac on Saturday 10 July 21 04:10 BST (UK)
More great finds another DNA connection has Roseanne SHIELS  and John Thompson being parents of Louisa THOMPSON

looks like there is a 45 year plus age gap between the couple

In 1901  John Joseph is 96 Roseanne is 45  in 1911 she's  62

& There are 3 more sons for the couple  on both census Abraham 20 Albert 18  Fred... 16 
There's also a neice Kate I'm wondering if her surname could actually be SEILAS or Sheils mistranscribed

  the crossed out line for William says slater and married for 12 years maybe he was elsewhere on census night

I.ll try and do a summary of findings so far .it's all looking very likely
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: heywood on Saturday 10 July 21 06:56 BST (UK)
I think William who is crossed out is likely to be William who is married to Violet in reply #11 and is the father of Noel.

Birth of Louisa Thompson - 1883
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1883/02738/2006766.pdf
Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: brigidmac on Saturday 10 July 21 11:27 BST (UK)
Fully agree Heywood

So far we have  John THOMPSON of Killaclorin Aughrim  county Wicklow

1804-1903 sometimes used Joseph as middle name

Worked as Slater in most records .

First wife Elizabeth WINTERBOTTOM 1833 - 1875

Children
 John Joseph THOMPSON 1858-1938 m Nellie SHERWIN

Robert  Warren THOMPSON 1863- 1943

Elizabeth 1865-1923   m  Robert Warren FINLAY  1857-

Bidelia 1867 may have married in Kendal Westmoreland in 3rd q 1894 husband unknown

 John Thompson had 5 known children with wife REbecca SHEILL b ABT m aug 1875

 Son William THOMPSON b same year 1875 m Elizabeth Martha violet MCCRODDEN

Abraham b1880

Louisa b1883- 1923 m William John WEIR 1860-1950

Albert THOMPSON

Fred THOMPSON 1885
All born county Wicklow

There is a possibility that he had another wife between Elizabeth & Rebecca

There is also a possibility of a children born  outside marriage.or deceased between census

Not seen any Irish census before 1901

I haven't counted number of grandchildren yet





Title: Re: Thompsons of Wicklow connections to USA
Post by: brigidmac on Saturday 10 July 21 11:53 BST (UK)
I found an amusing land document which I think is for this John Thompson in 1853
 Regarding a very inferior property ..on swampy grounds ...with a waste of ? Road + river ? Unclear

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=850789.msg7183640#msg7183640

Obviously not written by an estate agent