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Hi,
Can anyone shed any light on where this man was before 1911? He gives birth in Brisely Norfolk about 1864 on that Census and they are living Kings Lynn Norfolk. But search as I might I can't find him prior to this. He is with Martha Manning (Maybe wifey) but no record. She was wed to a William Manning who died around the turn of the century I think.
Its said that each time she had a child it depended on what mood she was in as to what name they were registered. Some Green some Stokeley (diff spellings). And some cannot be Greens by simple deduction. Unless I'm missing something? Was there a name change? Heaven knows.
Thanks in advance for any enlightenment. :)
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Were the family Travellers?
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What information does the 1911 give for number of years married and ages of children. What was his address
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What information does the 1911 give for number of years married and ages of children. What was his address
I'm really sorry but I don't have access to it now. I think they were in St Margaret's kings Lynn Norfolk. Some of the children i suspect were from her first marriage. Edward Green b 1909 is the one related to my partner. His father. So some of the details he remembered. is the name registering etc. There was a Reggie (Reginald) born after Edward in 1911. They remained in local area and lived in Wisbech when Reg was in the army.
Its just his father Alfred Ambrose that I can't find at all before 1911. I searched high and low for wedding cert, but nothing. I'm not sure they wed. off top of my head it may have said they had been wd 10 yrs...but may be mistaken. My subscription has lapsed :-\
Thanks
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Were the family Travellers?
Im unsure. But I think the address was some yard, so possibly. Sorry, just noticed its you Carole. Edward married into traveller's, also called Green. But as its not my family I'm not sure. Thanks Carole.
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I suspect as Carol has mentioned that they may be 'Travellers', his occupation on this link is given as 'Dealer'
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7R3-NHW
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I suspect as Carol has mentioned that they may be 'Travellers', his occupation on this link is given as 'Dealer'
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7R3-NHW
I believe you may be right rosie99 ...
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Were the family Travellers?
Possibly Carole.
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GREEN, ALFRED AMBROSE STOAKLEY mmn MANNING
GRO Reference: 1901 Dec Quarter in KING'S LYNN Volume 04B Page 311
GREEN, FRED STOAKLEY mmn MANNING
GRO Reference: 1903 March Quarter in KING'S LYNN Volume 04B Page 316
GREEN, JACK STOKELEY mmn MANNING
GRO Reference: 1905 June Quarter in KING'S LYNN Volume 04B Page 302
GREEN, EDWARD mmn MANNING
GRO Reference: 1909 June Quarter in KING'S LYNN Volume 04B Page 293
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Marriage Jun qtr 1887
GREEN William John
Manning Martha
King's L. 4b 556
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1891 Kings Lynn
William Green 26 Iron founders labourer
Martha Green 35
James Green 3
Arthur Green 5 months
Susan Maning Mother in law Widow 60 occ Hawker
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In 1901 Martha is a widow aged 35 (same as 1891) - all b Kings Lynn
Martha 35 washer woman
Susan 17 (not on 1891 entry)
James 12
Arthur 10
George 8
William 5
Kate 3
Elsie 2
RG13/1888/30/3
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Thank you Carole and Rosie99. Those are the family. And who is Alfred Ambrose? Before he's with Martha.. He is a mystery man.. 😕
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There's a John William Green buried 29 Jan 1900 aged 34
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There's a John William Green buried 29 Jan 1900 aged 34
Thanks Mabel..
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There is a Fred Stokeley with wife Clara in 1901 at Red Lion, Brisley
RG13/Piece 1875 folio7 page 5
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSFR-8T3
Fred is 37 born Brisley and Clara is 30.
In 1911 Clara is a servant (Married) in Brisley but her husband is not in the household ::)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7R9-HGG
Clara died in 1920.
There is a Alfred Stokeley who could be him living with grandparents on 1871/81 census in Brisley
Will have to leave this for now
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There is a Fred Stokeley with wife Clara in 1901 at Red Lion, Brisley
RG13/Piece 1875 folio7 page 5
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSFR-8T3
Fred is 37 born Brisley and Clara is 30.
In 1911 Clara is a servant (Married) in Brisley but her husband is not in the household ::)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7R9-HGG
Clara died in 1920.
There is a Alfred Stokeley who could be him living with grandparents on 1871/81 census in Brisley
Will have to leave this for now
Wow, that's a real contender. Thank you so much. At least he now may well be who he says he is... Something to get my teeth into.
Once more Thank you. And Thank Carole. You guys are a real help when we get stuck. :D
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That could be Frederick William Stokeley who married Clara Elizabeth Willmerson in Dec qtr 1891
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There is a tree on Ancestry showing his parents as John & Susannah. It also shows John's parents as Trafalgar & Mary
There is an 1861 marriage on freebmd - John Stoakley to Susanna Allison Howell.
However - GRO online confirms that Frederick William Stokeley & Albert Howell Stokeley were born to that marriage so the info on the tree linking Alfred Ambrose Stokeley to those parents is wrong. In 1871 John plus both children are with Trafalgar & Mary but no Susanna although John is shown as married
Susanna is with her parents plus 5yr old daughter Sophia
I will message the tree owner with the link to this post as he appears to be interested in Alfred Ambrose
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That could be Frederick William Stokeley who married Clara Elizabeth Willmerson in Dec qtr 1891
Yeah Carole, I did think that when I looked into it. Can't see any Alfred for for John Stokeley, who I found to be the son of Mary and Trafalgar Stokeley. But has I can only find him and Susanah, or Susan before and after 1864 I can't tell if they had Alfred Ambrose. He would have been left home on the later census maybe. Its likely the right family.. Only ones for Brisley at right time. I'll just keep digging. I think the Frédérick who wed Clara could have been a younger brother of Alfred.
Much more to go on than I had.
Thanks very much. And if anything else springs up please pass it my way :)
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I think the Frédérick who wed Clara could have been a younger brother of Alfred.
I don't think he was connected to Alfred. Alfred was 47 in 1911 so born 1863-64. If he was connected - why is he not with either John or Susanna in 1871? Where is his birth reg?
1861 June qtr STOKELEY ALBERT HOWELL mmn HOWELL
MITFORD Volume 04B Page 291
December qtr 1863 STOKELY, FREDERICK WILLIAM mmn HOWELL
MITFORD Volume 04B Page 290
1866 Sept qtr STOKELY, MARY SOPHIA mmn HOWELL
MITFORD Volume 04B Page 267
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I think the Frédérick who wed Clara could have been a younger brother of Alfred.
I don't think he was connected to Alfred. Alfred was 47 in 1911 so born 1863-64. If he was connected - why is he not with either John or Susanna in 1871? Where is his birth reg?
1861 June qtr STOKELEY ALBERT HOWELL mmn HOWELL
MITFORD Volume 04B Page 291
December qtr 1863 STOKELY, FREDERICK WILLIAM mmn HOWELL
MITFORD Volume 04B Page 290
1866 Sept qtr STOKELY, MARY SOPHIA mmn HOWELL
MITFORD Volume 04B Page 267
OmGoodness you are right. Though, thinking on it, Rosie99 did say something about being with grandparents 71/81. I found trafalgar and Mary by that. Possibility?
I really appreciate the time you mods give. Thanks.
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There is a Fred Stokeley with wife Clara in 1901 at Red Lion, Brisley
RG13/Piece 1875 folio7 page 5
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSFR-8T3
Fred is 37 born Brisley and Clara is 30.
In 1911 Clara is a servant (Married) in Brisley but her husband is not in the household ::)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7R9-HGG
Clara died in 1920.
There is a Alfred Stokeley who could be him living with grandparents on 1871/81 census in Brisley
Will have to leave this for now
rosie99 where was the Alfred living with Grandparents please? I can't find any with an Alfred? Thank you
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There is a tree on Ancestry showing his parents as John & Susannah. It also shows John's parents as Trafalgar & Mary
There is an 1861 marriage on freebmd - John Stoakley to Susanna Allison Howell.
However - GRO online confirms that Frederick William Stokeley & Albert Howell Stokeley were born to that marriage so the info on the tree linking Alfred Ambrose Stokeley to those parents is wrong. In 1871 John plus both children are with Trafalgar & Mary but no Susanna although John is shown as married
Susanna is with her parents plus 5yr old daughter Sophia
I will message the tree owner with the link to this post as he appears to be interested in Alfred Ambrose
Oh only just realised you posted this Carole. Yes. I can see I was on the wrong track. Thank you. Alfred Ambrose is a hard man to find :o
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Hi,
Can anyone shed any light on where this man was before 1911? He gives birth in Brisely Norfolk about 1864 on that Census and they are living Kings Lynn Norfolk. But search as I might I can't find him prior to this. He is with Martha Manning (Maybe wife) but no record. She was wed to a John William Green 1887 who died around the turn of the century I think, aged 34. And in 1911 she is still 35 despite being so 10 years before.
Its said that each time she had a child it depended on what mood she was in as to what name they were registered. Some Green some Stokeley (diff spellings). And some cannot be Greens by simple deduction. Where did Alfred Ambrose Stokeley come from?
Thanks in advance for any enlightenment. :)