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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: Black Sheep on Tuesday 02 November 21 16:13 GMT (UK)
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Hello I have a number of relatives who I know served in both world wars but I have no idea with whom of where, is there anyway of finding this information out ?
I have George Frederick Bates born 1887 in Manchester, before the war he was living at 10 Albert Road Northenden and I know he was injured in the war - I would love to find out what happened to him during this period.
BS
edit Looking on the map Birch Street Moss side is very close to where he had other family living.
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Ww2 records are only available from gov.uk with a £30 charge and a long wait. Don’t be misled by other sites saying they have ww2 records.
https://www.gov.uk/get-copy-military-service-records
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For WW1 records only some survived. You can search for records on the National Archives website and on the well known genealogy sites. Even if their service records didn’t survive, they may have a medal index card and possibly a pension record card if they got one from being wounded. You have to pay to access these records either with a sub to the genealogy sites or a pay to view on some others. Nat Archives were offering free access to medal index cards during covid, but I’m not sure if that offer still is active.
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I have George Frederick Bates born 1887 in Manchester, before the war he was living at 10 Albert Road Northenden and I know he was injured in the war - I would love to find out what happened to him during this period.
Is there any record of him in 1914-19 which might show his regiment? Marriage, children's birth records, absent voters lists, newspaper reports, medals ?
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There is a Private George Frederick Bates 101534 Kings Liverpool Regiment, born circa 1888, resident in Moss Side, Manchester post-war.
2 war pension records on Fold 3.
Previously in 1/7th Lancashire Fusiliers 23048
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One of the Pension cards on Fold3 indicate this for Private Bates' disability:
"Shrapnel Wd: L side Septic poisoning L arm". (I presume "Wd" = wound)
Address on Pension card: 31 Birch Street, Moss Side, Manchester.
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Is there any record of him in 1914-19 which might show his regiment? Marriage, children's birth records, absent voters lists, newspaper reports, medals ?
Hi Shane, no we have nothing after 1926 when he disappeared. The address looks likely the family moved around a lot, in 1917 they were living in Hyde Street Hulme but this is the last home address I have for him.
Thank you for details of the disability Hillhurst, it sounds awful septic poisoning.
Thank you candleflame, I wondered was there a way to locate father details to research I appreciate your replies.
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Absent Voters for Hulme District.
44 Hyde Street = George Frederick Bates. Pte 521004 552 HS Em Co.
Is that the address you have for him in Hyde Street? He's the only one showing at the address.
552 HS Em Co. = 552 Home Service Employment Company, Labour Corp and the number 521004 in Labour Corps was allocated Oct 1917 to Feb 1918
The Pension Ledger Cards link this number to the Kings Liverpool 101534 number and also another number i.e 30951.
There is an Admission Register entry on Find My Past for 31 Ambulance Train where 30951 G F Bates of 1/7 Lancs Fusiliers was admitted on to the train on 18 9 1917 and taken from Etaples to Calais with Wounds to neck and abdomen.
However, Medal Card and Roll show the Lanc Fus number for 101534 to be 23048!
The Labour Corps number is not shown but that'll be probably because his service with them was UK based.
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Images courtesy of Western Front Association.
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Hello Gwil,
Many thanks for your reply there is a lot of information there for me to follow up on I have not attempted this type of research before.
Absent Voters for Hulme District.
44 Hyde Street = George Frederick Bates. Pte 521004 552 HS Em Co.
Is that the address you have for him in Hyde Street? He's the only one showing at the address.
I am sorry I do not have a door number on Hyde Street, his youngest son George was born 8th July 1917 at the address so I have no idea why his wife Florence and family were not there.
In 1923 he was in Tame Street Institute and in 1926 he was in Crescent Institute, then we know nothing more.
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The info is from the Absent Voters section of Electoral Rolls and not the full Electoral Rolls (which I haven't got) so the non military members of the family would not be on it. I'm not sure where the full Electoral Roll for that year would be (online)
It looks likely to be him doesn't it. Shame the actual number of the house is no showing on your source material.
edit: The Absent Voters Register was for 1918.