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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Somerset => England => Somerset Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Walmer on Tuesday 21 December 21 20:07 GMT (UK)
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I’m looking for a marriage between George maggs born around 1795 in midsomer Norton and Elisabeth also born around 1795 surname unknown. On the 1841 and 1851 census she listed her birthplace as chew magna. The only marriage I could find of a George and Elisabeth was in bedminster to Elizabeth Pickering but that surname is not in the chew magna parish records. Any help would be appreciated.
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There is this marriage:
George Maggs and Elizabeth Tripp on 15th May 1826 in Chew Magna, Somerset.
Did they have any children? If so, when and where?
Queenie :)
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1851 shows George b Compton Martin
Only child with them in 1851 was William b 1836. Elisabeth is 58 so it’s possible there were no children born after 1837
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I saw this marriage too but the 41 and 51 census have them living in west harptree. They have 4 children baptised there in west harptree from 1815 through to 1820 the last one Sarah is my ancestor so the 1826 marriage is to late
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In 1841 George is a tailor aged 35 & Elizabeth is 35. 2 children Joseph 7 & William 4
In 1851 George is a tailor aged 55 & Elisabeth is 58.
Both censuses are West Harptree but big difference in ages
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There are two George and Elizabeths in West Harptree in 1851. The tailor above, and another older couple (George a labourer) living with a married daughter who would was born there c1817. Neither George says he was born in Midsomer Norton
Are you sure you have the right one?
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Looking at the West Harptree baptisms 1815-1827, they're the children of George the labourer. Sarah was not the last. There's also Mary in 1823 and Maria in 1827
George the tailor is baptising children in Chew Magna from 1828 onwards, which might fit the marriage 1826 marriage to Elizabeth Tripp
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There are two George and Elizabeths in West Harptree in 1851. The tailor above, and another older couple (George a labourer) living with a married daughter who would was born there c1817. Neither George says he was born in Midsomer Norton
Are you sure you have the right one?
In the 1851 census he states he was born in Clapton Somerset, Clapton is a hamlet in the parish of midsomer Norton which is where his baptism was registered
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On the 1841 and 1851 census
Can you post the full details please to ensure we are looking at the same entries as you
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On the 1841 and 1851 census
Can you post the full details please to ensure we are looking at the same entries as you
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1851 census
George maggs age crossed out
Born 1784
Clapton Somerset
Residence west harptree
Wife Elizabeth maggs
Child Mary larner
1841 census
George maggs aged 45
Born 1796
Somerset
Res west harptree
Wife Elizabeth aged 45
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I think the rounded down ages on 1841 census are incorrect.
Going by 1851 census George Maggs bc.1784 Clapton, Somerset and wife Elizabeth bc.1783 Chewton Mendip (not Chew Magna).
There were Pickerings in Chewton Mendip.
Annette
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I was looking in the Parish records for midsomer Norton and there are no George maggs recorded as being born there in the 1780’s but there are 2 born around 1795 in the parish. So maybe it’s the 1851 census dates that are wrong
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Just to be clear
Family 1
1841 - Towns-end, West Harptree
George Maggs 45 - ag lab
Elizh Maggs 45
Mary Maggs 15
HO107; 939; 12; 19;
George Maggs 67 - ag lab b Clapton
Elisabeth Maggs 68 - b Chewton ??
George Larner 34 - son in law
Mary Larner 30 - wife, b West Harptree
HO107; 1938; 54; 10;
Family 2
1841 - West Harptree
George Maggs 35 - tailor inmate (??)
Elizabeth Maggs 35
Joseph Maggs 7
William Maggs 4
HO107; 939; 8; 11;
1851 - Hedging
George Maggs 55 - Compton Martin, tailor
Elisabeth Maggs 58 - Chew Magna
William Maggs 15 - Chew Magna
HO107; 1938; 64; 30;
There's clearly an issue with the ages between 1841 and 1851 in both cases. i feel inclined to trust 1851 - Mary Maggs Larner was baptised in 1823 and WIlliam's age is also correct. George the tailor's age in 1861 is fairly consistant with it too
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I tend to agree with you on that evidence. the mystery still is the marriage where it happened and what Elisabeth maiden name was.
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There is also the fact though that there is no baptismal records for a George maggs in midsomer Norton or the surrounding area in the 1780’s
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Walmer
"I was looking in the Parish records for midsomer Norton and there are no George maggs recorded as being born there in the 1780’s but there are 2 born around 1795 in the parish"
But there is a George Maggs baptised at Ashwick in the Presbyterian church in 1780. Father John, a waggoner. On FreeReg. Ashwick is no more than about 10 km from Midsomer Norton. Coiuld this be your George? No time to look for his marriage just at the moment.
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Thankyou yes it could be ! there is only 5 miles between them. I know people didn’t really move around alot in those days from there local area and it also ties in with the birthdates
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Hello Walmer
I'm still trying to get things straight: bear with me.
Your ancestor is a Sarah Maggs, child of a George, right?
The Somerset family (mentioned by Mabel) with a Sarah, daughter of a George is the one in West Harptree baptising (in West Harptree) Ann & Hester in 1815, Thomas in 1817, Sarah in 1820, Mary in 1823 and Maria in 1827.
There is however a Sarah born to a George and Leah baptised in Midsomer Norton in 1809 - this could tie in with the George baptised in Ashwick 1800.
However: The family in West Harptree called their first daughter Ann and their first son Thomas. If their father George is the baptism recorded in 1794 in Midsomer Norton then his parents were Thomas and Ann - a likely naming pattern can be seen.
Do you know for certain that your ancestor Sarah was born in 1820 (and that therefore her father George would seem to have married an Elizabeth). Perhaps you already knew the names of her siblings?
Or could she possibly be the one born eleven years earlier to George and Leah, also in Midsomer Norton?
By the way, I think people travelled a lot more than we think they did. My ancestors were non-conformists in 18th century Somerset and baptised their children, if they could, in presbyterian churches 3 and 5 miles away - rather than in their own village with a potentially absentee Anglican rector/vicar .
Have you found Sarah on a census? Was she married by 1841?
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Hi I have the baptism record of Sarah maggs baptised august 1820 in west harptree father was George mother was Elizabeth
Sarah married William chapple in 1842 in Bristol father listed as george
In the 1851 census the dob was 1822 west harptree 1861 census dob moved to 1826 again born west harptree. 1871 was back to 1822 and again west harptree
From this I believe Sarah maggs must have been the child of George and Elizabeth
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In the 1841 census I found a Sarah maggs dob listed as 1821. She is living in chewton mendip 5 miles from west harptree. She is not living with the maggs though she is living with John and Mary lane so possibly she is working as a servant there.
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In the 1841 census I found a Sarah maggs dob listed as 1821. She is living in chewton mendip 5 miles from west harptree. She is not living with the maggs though she is living with John and Mary lane so possibly she is working as a servant there.
Her occupation in 1841 is female servant.
Debra :D