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Hi I'm researching my great grand mother her name was Rose Coogan she married three times. First marriage was to George Fletcher second marriage was to William Carr and third marriage was to george kemp as far as i know William Carr and George Fletcher where in army there is no trace on their deaths any help and advice on where to go would be much appreciated
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You need to give some dates of the marriages.
I have asked the moderator to move your post to the Louth board
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Marriages all took place in Dundalk first marriage was in 1890 in Dundalk second marriage was 1895 in velfast and third marriage was 1905 in dundalk
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So George Fletcher died between 1890-1894. Were there any children to that marriage - when was the last child born to help narrow down a timescale for his death?
William Carr presumably died between 1895-1904 - same question as above re children
Have you looked for Rose on the 1901 census under Carr to see if William was still alive at that time? http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
You don't give any birthyear or birthplace for Rose
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Yes Thomas coogan born 1896 In Belfast dosent give dads name but could be George fletcher. William l car died between 1901 and 1905 had two children one died in 1901
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It says Reverend George Fletcher on the wedding doc.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10708/5903803.pdf
Oops, no it doesn't... it says coachman , now that I have my glasses on.
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If Thomas was born 1896 - surely he would have been Carr if Rose married William Carr in 1895?
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The Rose Anne Coogan who married William Carr in 1896 in Belfast (see below) was a 22 year old spinster, other than having the same father's details, why do you think this is the same person as Rose Anne Coogan of the 1890 marriage - who was of full age)?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10495/5822453.pdf
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The Rose Coogan who married George Kemp in 1905 in Belfast (see below) was a 23 year old spinster, other than having the same father's details, why do you think this is the same person as Rose Anne Coogan who was of full age in the 1890 marriage or Rose Anne Coogan who was 22 in the 1896 marriage?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1905/10150/5692991.pdf
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Just clutching at possibilities, but could the following 29 year old Rose in the 1901 Ireland census be the one of the 1890 marriage (note: all born England)?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Pembroke_West/Beggars_Bush_Barracks_Haddington_Road/1287486/
In 1911, what looks like the above Rose and 2 children are with husband / father George Fletcher in Stockport England.
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It says Reverend George Fletcher on the wedding doc.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1890/10708/5903803.pdf
Oops, no it doesn't... it says coachman , now that I have my glasses on.
George Fletcher was a private in the East Lancashire Regiment stationed at the barracks, Dundalk. His father Samuel Fletcher was a coachman.
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Census for Rose ann coogan in battack St dundalk she was 23 on 1901 census
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Louth/Dundalk_Urban_No__4_/Barrack_Street/1561729/
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1911 census Rose
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Louth/Dundalk_Urban_No__4/Barrack_Street/905511/
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http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Louth/Dundalk_Urban_No__4/Barrack_Street/905500/
1911 census William Carr on it aged four his father was William born in 1873 and his gra d father Charles I can't find a birth or death for William Carr or George fletcher
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If Rose was your great grandmother - which of her children are you descended from? Please give that child's full name, birthyear & birthplace
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Thomas Coogan born in 1896 Belfast workhouse. Their is no name of his father on on the birth cert. I have a dna done im wondering what cm would confirm a connection to a great grand fathers brothers his grand childrennor great grand children
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Thanks everyone for chipping in, I just want to put these details here for clarity as I am also a descendant of Rose Coogan and would like to assist Fire1905 in hopefully connecting with anyone who can fill in any blanks there are.
Here are the facts as we already have them documented:
Rose Coogan b. 23rd Dec 1870 Dundalk Father - Andrew Coogan / Mother Mary Lambe
Rose Anne Coogan m. George Fletcher (Private East Lancashire Regiment) 30th Aug 1890 Dundalk / St. Nicholas Church of Ireland.
We have no confirmed birth or death records for George Fletcher (yet) nor any records of children from this marriage. We confidently are presuming,through Fire1905 research, that he was British (possibly Manchester region)
George Fletcher must have died approx some time between 1890 and 1896.
I am no military expert but the 2nd Battalion of the East Lancs was based partly in Ireland and I could not find any active service for them between 1890 and 1896 to account for his death.
Rose Anne Coogan gave birth to Thomas Coogan 28th April 1896 Belfast Workhouse. No Father recorded on birth cert.
Rose Anne Coogan m. William Carr (Labourer) July 26th 1896 Belfast / St. Annes Church of Ireland.
Rose Anne Coogan gave birth to William Carr 20th July 1897 Dundalk /William Carr recorded as Father.
Rose Anne Coogan gave birth to George Henry Carr 12th October 1901 Dundalk/ William Carr recorded as Father.
George Henry Carr d. 1902
The Husband William Carr died between 1901 and 1905, we have no confirmed records as yet.
Rose Anne Coogan m. George William Kemp ( Royal Field Artiliery ) 6th July 1905 Belfast / St. Marys Church of Ireland.
Even with the disparity of ages given on the wedding certificates by Rose Anne Coogan We absolutely think it is the same person not just due to the father’s name And occupation on the wedding certs and but also the census results that can corroborate her family and whereabouts at the time of the census. (She must have been very evasive about giving her correct age!)
Rose Anne Coogan gave birth to George Robert Kemp on 8th April 1912 Dundalk/ George William Kemp recorded as Father.
The branch we are trying to clear up is Thomas Coogan born 28th April 1896 Belfast Workhouse. with No Father recorded on birth cert it posed obvious questions , he didn’t have the name Fletcher nor Carr recorded as his birth name. So that is the Million dollar question. We do know he married a Rose Kimmins and had 3 Children and we also know of the grandchildren etc.