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A Belated Merry Christmas to everyone
Can anyone find any information on a birth for Betsie Green DoB 1867 ?? Lincolnshire
A marriage to a Philip Nye Dob 1867 ? Bloomsbury
I think they were living in Penge S,E. London Marriage maybe 1890?
Betsie Green is a bit of an elusive butterfly at the moment trying to trace her and family
If anyone could shed any light on either of these two it would greatly be apreciated
Kind Regards
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Marriage
June 1887 Croydon vol 2a pg 421
Philip Nye and Bessie Green are on the same page
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1891 594 /164
South Norwood, Croydon
Betsy Nye, 26 yrs b Louth, Lincolnshire
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On the 1901 census, Betsy's birthplace is a place called "Whitapot" in Lincolnshire. Searching online, the only possible place I could find whose name bore any resemblance to the one on the census return was Whitepit, a hamlet close to the village of Swaby in Lincolnshire.
Working my way back, I think I found Betsy in 1881, before her marriage to Philip. She is working as a general servant for the Wood family in Friskney, Lincolnshire.
Whitepit is too small to have its own parish register, so I looked at the parish register for the larger nearby village of Swaby.
There I found this entry:
25th December 1863: Betsy Green, daughter of John & Ann Green, abode: Whitepit, father's occupation: labourer.
I would say that, on the balance of probabilities, this is almost certainly her baptism, seeing as Whitepit is such a small place. However, if you would like to confirm it beyond all doubt, I would suggest purchasing the marriage certificate from the General Register Office:
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/
Queenie :)
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By the time of the 1911 census, Philip had become a widower. This means that Betsy must have died between 1901 and 1911. There is only 1 possible death registration in that time period in Croydon, Surrey (where Philip and Betsy were living in 1901):
NYE, BESSIE 41
GRO Reference: 1906 J Quarter in CROYDON Volume 02A Page 203
Queenie :)
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Hi
Thankyou so much that has made a lot things a lot clearer, Edith Isobel Nye DoB 1903 was my wifes Grandmother and there s a lot of discrepancy over her siblings.
Those days there were large families cousins and in-laws in the same house for convenience, Penge has been mentioned by family members
Just waiting for a reduction on a well known family research site
Thank you again
Kind Regards
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Using the GRO index Philip Nye and Bessie Green had the following children registered Croydon
with mother's maiden name Green
Philip George 1891
Gladys Annie 1899
Hilda May 1901
Edith Isobel 1903
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1891 census Philip George is 3 weeks old
1901 George is 10 (Philip George)
Gladys is 1 (Gladys Annie)
1911
Hilda (Hilda May age 9) is with her grandmother Eliza Nye age 73
The other children May and Edith both age 4 are not her sisters, cousins no doubt. Her sister Edith should be 7 not 4.
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1911 census
Her sister Gladys age 11 is a visitor with Walter and Annie Bell in Wainfleet St Mary Lincolnshire
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Thank you that blew some cobwebs away looking at that Eliza age 73 would have been Philips Mother.
Just trying t assess where Walter and Annie Bell fits in.
Would they be related to Betsie Green as they are from Lincolnshire.
would Gladys be living with them to ease the situation with Philip being a widower??
thank you given food for thought
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Annie Bell's maiden name was Green, going by the GRO records for the children in 1911. censuses have her b Wainfleet c1877
This is the most likely candidate on 1881 Census - in wainfleet
John Green 58
Ann Green 47
Annie Green 4
RG11; 3254; 97; 6;
So looks like she's Betsey's younger sister. Wouldn't be surprised if they took on one of the Nye children to help Phillip out. Probably rather sexist to suggest this but all the Bell children were boys and they may have wanted a girl about the house to help out ! (that was the family explanation for my great grandmother's informal adoption by a particular couple after her parents' deaths)
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1871
John Green 48 Head b Thornton, gardener
Ann Green 36 Wife b Wainfleet
Mary J Green 11 Daughter b Burwell
George Green 9 Son b Burwell
Betsey Green 7 Daughter b South Ormsby
Piece 3389, folio 33, p9
from GRO Ann Green's maiden name was Eno
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Hi Thank you so much things are dropping in place now, Cannot thank you enough will give me some filling in the spaces tomorrow
Kind Regards
stay safe
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Census 1911 England Ancestry
67 Byron Rd Small Heath Aston Warwickshire
GREEN Edward B 35y builders assistant b. Highbury London
GREEN Mary E 41y b. Nottingham
NYE Dorothy May 10y niece b. Holborn London
Edward and Mary married 8 years, no children
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According to Freebmd James Green married Ann Eno not John Green.
There are a lot of girls named Betsy Green circa 1903
Proof will be in the certificate the marriage of Philip Nye to Bessie/Betsy Green, to get their fathers names and occupations, the names of the witnesses may also be of use.
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Census England 1911 The Fenn Wainfleet St Mary Lincolnshire (Ancestry)
BELL Walter 38y farm foreman b. Croft Lincolns
BELL Annie 34y b. Wainfleet Lincolns
BELL John Charles 12y son b. Wainfleet Lincolns
BELL Stephen Walter 7y son b. Wainfleet Lincolns
BELL Stanley Horace 5y son b. Wainfleet Lincolns
BELL Reginald 2y son b. Wainfleet Lincolns
NYE Gladys 11y visitor b. Norwood *****
DRAGE Henry 23y waggoner on farm b. Langrick Lincolnshire
WARD Richard 22y waggoner on farm b. UKN
POLKINGTON Frank 20y waggoner on farm B. Toynton Lincs
Annie married 14 years....6 children born...5 children living.
There is one child, living, and not with BELL family for the 1911 Census, and not described as son or head.
Census 1911 Beesby on the Marsh Saleby and Thoresthorpe Lincolnshire
SHAW George 43y b. Tetford Horncastle
SHAW Mary Jane 51y b. Burwell Louthy
BELL George Henry 10y nephew b. Wainfleet Lincs
Mary Jane SHAW married 16y...no children
FreeBDM SepQ 1895 Horncastle Vol 7a page 1059
SHAW George marr. GREEN Mary Jane
Possible family, your Betsey and siblings, has -
Mary Jane SHAW nee GREEN b. Burwell Lincs ~ 1860 (Census 1911)
Betsie NYE nee GREEN b. Whitapot Lincs. ~ 1864 (Census 1901)
Edward B GREEN b. Highbury London ~ 1876 (Census 1911)
Annie BELL nee GREEN b. Wainfleet Lincs ~ 1877 (Census 1911)
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Hi that is amazing will sort this out in to some sort of order
Thank you so much
just sorting fire out on this very wet morning
Thanks again to everyone
regards