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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wiltshire => England => Wiltshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: pacaine on Friday 18 February 22 21:56 GMT (UK)
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My 5Ggrandfather George Cains and his wife Hester lived in Lacock Wiltshire in the 1820s and their 10 children were baptised there. However the same Parish registers show no sign of their marriage. In a later Census Hester claims to have been born in Bradford Wiltshire so I think it possible she could have married there. A search of Wiltshire Parish registers 1538 to 1837 for this marriage (which would have taken place circa 1818/19 according to the age of the eldest child) reveals nothing. I wonder if all Bradford church weddings are not yet digitised, and short of a physical visit which is impossible for me, is there any further research I can try. Thank You.
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Marriage of George CAINS to Hester BRICKER
6 Nov 1814
St Michael, Twerton, Somerset
Both bride and groom of Twerton parish
Witnesses: Robert Hayes, Stephen Packer
Twerton is about 9 miles from Bradford-on-Avon
See FreeReg
https://www.freereg.org.uk
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Is this is the same couple married in Twerton ? .......
Baptisms to George CAINS, a weaver and wife Hester:
(Note - four children baptised on same day, ages at baptism not given, but would suggest births of first children around 1815-1817 which would go with an 1814 marriage)
• George - 24 March 1822, Lacock, Wiltshire
• John - 24 March 1822, Lacock
• Jane - 24 March 1822, Lacock
• Thomas - 24 March 1822, Lacock
• William - 22 Feb 1824, Lacock
• James - 25 Jul 1826, Lacock
• Henry – born June 1929 Lacock
• Alfred 30 Oct 1831, Lacock; burial 27 Feb 1832
• Anne 24 Mar 1833, Lacock; died before 1838
Other children listed in census:
• Sarah 4 (born abt 1837 Yorkshire?)
• Ann 3 (born abt 1838 Yorkshire?)
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I can see no Cains in the census in Bradford-on-Avon.
I see your Cains family moved to Yorkshire in 1841 census and 1851.
Esther is recorded as born in Lacock (1851) and in Bradford (1861) born abt 1793.
Probable baptism for Esther. (Bearfield is an area in Bradford-on-Avon.)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FWX8-WPT
“Esther BRICKER, daughter of James BRICKER and Ann his wife (formerly SMITH) was born and baptised 20 Sept 1795 by me Thomas Watkins, minister.”
Baptism Place: Bearfield in Bradford, Wiltshire, England
Denomination: Countess of Huntingdon's Connexion
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Other children baptised to James and Anne BRICKER
- Jane BRICKER baptised 24 Aug 1800 (age 4 yrs, 6 months) North Bradley
- Job BRICKER baptised 28 Feb 1802 (age 9 yrs) North Bradley
- Eliza BRICKER baptised to same parents 1809 Bradford on Avon
James BRICKER (age 70) and Ann BRICKER (age 68) are still alive in the 1841 census living in Bradford; recorded as paupers.
Burial for Ann BRICKER age 74; 4 May 1846 Bradford on Avon.
Burial for James BRICKER age 83; 22 June 1850 Bradford on Avon
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I wonder if the information on Esther’s baptism record regarding mother’s name being Smith is quite correct.
There is a marriage for James BRICKER and Ann SARGENT
5 Aug 1790 North Bradley, Wiltshire, England
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Baptism in 1779 for Ann SARGENT age 6 (born 1773) in North Bradley to parents James and Ann
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Wow Neale that's a lot of information. Yes those are definitely the children and the family did move to Yorkshire, but the dates concern me. George (the elder son) gives his birth as 1819 which is five years later than an 1814 marriage but I'll have to check again as there was some "rounding" in 1841 census. Many thanks for your help.
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Just be mindful that there may have been a child or two born early in the marriage, that did not live long enough for the mass family baptism in 1822.
Also I suspect Jane may have been born before George. I think she was off and married before 1841 census (or had died) - i did not try to track her down.
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Thanks again Neale1961. I forget where, but I did come across Jane marrying someone called Greenman and they also moved to Yorkshire.
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Further to George Cains born circa 1781 living in Lacock in the 1820s, someone (anonymous) posted on the Family Search Tree that George's parents were Thomas Cains and Betty. There is a record of Thomas Cain's baptism in Lacock October 1773 but not of any siblings. If baptised as a child this would make him too young to be George's father. Assuming Thomas to be the eldest are there any records of other Cains children of parents William and Rebecca in Lacock later in the 1780s maybe.
Thank You.
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Can I ask what gives you George's birth at circa 1781? Is it from census or death or ..?
If there are no sources on the tree you mention, and it makes no logical sense ... then it probably is incorrect. :)
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Yes I have taken George's birth year as approximate because it was taken from the 1841 Census and I believe age numbers were rounded at that time. In the 1851 census he gave his age as 60.
It is possible that if Thomas Cains is related he could be George's brother and if so there may be a baptism record for him 8 or so years later. All maybes of course.
Thanks again.
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We are using different calculators.
If aged 60 in 1851, was he not born in 1791 (not 1781)?
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The only Lacock baptism for George to parents Thomas & Betty Cains, (that I can see), is in 1810.
I do not believe that could be correct.
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It came to me in bed last night that I had put 1851 when in fact it was 1841 when his age was given as 60 and I thought it must be rounded and he could have been older.
My information about Thomas Cains came from the Family Search tree where it was claimed he was baptised in Lacock on 21st October 1773. All the other information about George and Hester posted by this anonymous member proved to be false.
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I believe that although the marriage of George and Hester Cains may not have taken place in Lacock, I think that in the 1841 Census George claimed to have been born there . Is there any sign of a baptism for him between 1775 and 1785 (say) as he gives 60 as his age but they rounded the numbers on that census. Many thanks again.
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I believe that although the marriage of George and Hester Cains may not have taken place in Lacock, I think that in the 1841 Census George claimed to have been born there . Is there any sign of a baptism for him between 1775 and 1785 (say) as he gives 60 as his age but they rounded the numbers on that census. Many thanks again.
On the 1841 census you only see if a person was born in the county or not. Yes or No, but no specifics of birth place. George indicates he is not born in Yorkshire.
Added:There is a George CAINS baptised 15 Sep 1776 in Horsington (St John) Somerset.
Father- Noah CAINS
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George's death entry in 1849 Halifax gives his age as 74 i.e. bc.1775.
Annette
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There is also this baptism in Bitton (St Mary), Gloucestershire
(Bitton is about 18 miles from Lacock & even closer to Bradford upon Avon)
George CAINS - father Benjamin; mother Ann
Bapt 19 Dec 1784 (age 7) therefore born 1777.
(Bishops Transcripts)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NF55-8V8
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Thank you Annette7 and Neill61. I can't find my copy of the 1841 census page and was relying on memory. Can I take it that if he was baptised, at any age, between 1775 and 1785 in Lacock, that there would be a record? It seems odd that from the baptisms of the son George in 1922 to the present day I have verified records of my family, but before then nothing at all.
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Correction 1822 not 1922.
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George and family lived in Lacock for about 10 years - between about 1822 and 1833. I can see no evidence to suggest that George was born in Lacock. His wife was born in Bradford. Their marriage was in Twerton.
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I agree that there is no evidence that George was born in Lacock, or indeed anywhere else:-}
But Cains there were because we have Thomas Cains (Parents William & Rebecca) baptised in 1773 in Lacock. I doubt that he was an only child so there may be others. The names George and Thomas are in the family all the way down to my father and my brother but I see no Benjamin or Noah. Clutching at straws maybe but I have nothing else.
There is a child death of a William Cains in Lacock and we know that Hester had a later son named William so that also seems popular within that family. She also named Anne after a previous one died.