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Trying to find out names and info on parents and siblings of:
Alexander Cecil Bell (Born: 1903 approx)
private royal canadian ordance corp, married Elizabeth Sherman Colquhoun 1/12/1945 in Patrick
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Where was Alexander born?
You say he married Elizabeth in “Patrick” - which country is that? Do you have the marriage certificate? I think most marriage certificates would name at least the bride and groom’s fathers.
You could also look for them in the census in whichever country they were born. You might find them with parents and siblings.
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Sorry ment to add Patrick, glasgow, scotland I dont have a certificate just going off family at the moment
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Righto I just found the marriage. In case it helps, it’s Partick not Patrick.
The marriage is on Scotland’s People, so if you register, and buy some credits you can buy the certificate - instant download - will help a lot as there are likely to be several Alexander Bells.
The 1911 census can be searched on Scotlands People too - you will need to use credits to view it.
There are many COLQUHOUN and BELL families on the censuses.
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Thank you. I'm guessing Bell being a popular name there will be heaps will have a look on scotlands people and try work out which one it is think parents maybe James Bell and Martha ??
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The marriage Cert will usually have his and her parents names, including mother's maiden name.
I don't think I've seen one yet from Scotlandspeople that doesn't.
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You can buy a minimum of 30 credits from Scotlandspeople for around $14 Au (£7.5) by card online.
To purchase the marriage cert will cost 6 credits.
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It’s very good value.
The marriage certificate is easy if you enter both names - onl6 one result.
You might have to be a bit more careful using credits to find the families on the 1911 Scottish census (if the families are in Scotland).
Colquhoun sounds like an Irish name so your trail may eventually head that way. :)
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Having a hard time trying to read the hand writing for Martha Bell maiden name. Can anyone help please?
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Moodie? Tweedie?
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What a dreadful copy. I would normally suggest requesting another copy, but I think I read that SP aren’t doing any re-copying of illegible certificates. Unsure if that is permanent or temporary.
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Could Alexander possibly been born in Lanark, Canada?
Alexander C Bell
Born 19 June 1902 County Lanark, Ontario, Canada.
Parents James S Bell, Martha Moody.
Looks like he was a twin brother of James H.
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Yes thankyou that's possible as my father was born in canada. May I ask where you found this information?
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It's likely worth requesting a clearer copy as in my experience (3 times) they will refund the cost because they aren't currently re-copying illegible certificates.
This was in Oct/Nov 2021.
Mick
What a dreadful copy. I would normally suggest requesting another copy, but I think I read that SP aren’t doing any re-copying of illegible certificates. Unsure if that is permanent or temporary.
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Mick was very disappointed to recieve such is a terrible copy was really hoping to confirm the maiden name for Martha.
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See these Familysearch links
Birth of Alexander C Bell, looks like there is a document which needs to be searched for.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLG9-WTY
Parents and Siblings
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LYLY-XCY
His parents and and 2 siblings are duplicated on familysearch
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GH2P-8WV
Mick
Yes thankyou that's possible as my father was born in canada. May I ask where you found this information?
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This link should take you to one of the Birth registration document on family search for Twins
Alexander C Bell
and
James H Bell
Parents are James S Bell and Martha Moody
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-645Y-2?i=1354&cc=1784212&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AKZ1D-BM3
Mick
See these Familysearch links
Birth of Alexander C Bell, looks like there is a document which needs to be searched for.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FLG9-WTY
Parents and Siblings
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/LYLY-XCY
His parents and and 2 siblings are duplicated on familysearch
Mick
Yes thankyou that's possible as my father was born in canada. May I ask where you found this information?
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Yes thankyou that's possible as my father was born in canada. May I ask where you found this information?
The record was on FindMyPast
1911 census
Lanark South, Ontario
James S Bell, b. Oct 1864 Ontario, race Irish, Occ. Farmer
Martha b.Nov 1869 , race Scotch
Lorne S 1896
Rebeca E 1898
Alexander c 1902
James H 1902
Elizabeth 1904
Lloyd A 1908
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Wow thank you so much help!! :) I'm interested in knowing more about Alexander Cecil Bell (my grandad) he was private royal canadian ordance corp how would I find info on this. Also interested to know more about him going to Glasgow where he married my grandmother
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See the image for them on this census which is from from Library and Archives Canada
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1911&op=img&id=e001998793
Mick
Yes thankyou that's possible as my father was born in canada. May I ask where you found this information?
The record was on FindMyPast
1911 census
Lanark South, Ontario
James S Bell, b. Oct 1864 Ontario, race Irish, Occ. Farmer
Martha b.Nov 1869 , race Scotch
Lorne S 1896
Rebeca E 1898
Alexander c 1902
James H 1902
Elizabeth 1904
Lloyd A 1908
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Was he in the military when he married?
This link is for applying for his military file.
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/transparency/atippr/Pages/Access-information-military-files.aspx
Mick
Wow thank you so much help!! :) I'm interested in knowing more about Alexander Cecil Bell (my grandad) he was private royal canadian ordance corp how would I find info on this. Also interested to know more about him going to Glasgow where he married my grandmother
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He married my grandmother Elizabeth Sherman Colquhoun in Partick, Glasgow (1.12.1945 End of ww2) he had been previously married according to their marrige certificate, they had my father in 1947 in Ottawa, Canada. Been trying to find records of his travels but so far have had no luck.
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Hi Hydes
Did your grandfather Alexander marry for a third time?
There is an obit here for Lois J Stewart, widow of Alexander Cecil Bell who died on 26 April 1998 www.icfo.info/biblio/icfo2766.pdf This is from The Ottawa Citizen, 1 May 1998.
There is also another obit for Alexander Cecil Bell in the same publication: 10 Mar 1998 — Alexander Cecil Bell, age 95. Beloved husband of Lois J. Stewart....
This obit is showing on www.newspapers.com/newspage/465789549/ I don't have access to this site nor can I find a direct link to it elsewhere.
Monica
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I'm interested in knowing more about Alexander Cecil Bell (my grandad) he was private royal canadian ordance corp how would I find info on this
Have a read through these notes regarding following up on your grandfather's service files www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/how-to-find-service-records
There are lots more links to help you further with this.
Monica
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Mick has already provided you with lots of Family Search links for the family of Alexander. These are the marriage details for his parents in 1895 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMK8-VRT Also here http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/lanark95.htm
Burial details here for parents www.findagrave.com/memorial/133573998/james-s.-bell
When you are ready to work back on his line, there is one main well researched family tree on A/try which includes lots of original sources/documents that is worth looking at www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/85606649/person/312102203464/facts You need a subs to view it, not sure if you have this at present?
Monica
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Monica Thankyou very much for the information provided. I dont have a subscription to ancestors
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Not sure about the 3rd marriage of alexander cecil bell my father would never speak of his father I dont believe he was around after my dads birth in 1947. I do know that elizabeth sherman colquhoun was issued with a decree of divorse on 3 July 1956 ( i have a copy) and the where abouts of Alexander Cecil Bell was unknown
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Ancestry will give you 2 weeks free trial if you subscribe as a new member, you do have to remember to tick cancel subscription before the 2 weeks is over if you don't want to continue with the subscription so that you won't be charged.
Mick
Monica Thankyou very much for the information provided. I dont have a subscription to ancestors
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Thanks that might be my next step as maybe able to find more on my Colquhoun side on there too as I'm a bit stuck on them too
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What are the details showing for Elizabeth Sherman Colquhoun from the 1945 marriage cert you have? In particular:
- her parents' names
- father's occupation
- Elizabeth's age when she married
- address showing for her
- witnesses' names
Hopefully this info will be helpful in finding her details :)
Monica
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Did Elizabeth come back to Glasgow following the breakdown of her marriage?
There is this death showing on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
Elizabeth Sherm. Colquhoun died at the age of 85 in 2009 in Glasgow
Other indexed surnames include BELL and MONTGOMERY.
Mother's maiden name Sherman.
I can only see one marriage on SP for Colquhoun and Sherman:
Alexander Colquhoun and Violet Sherman married 1923 in Scotstoun and Yoker, Glasgow. You can view the image of the marriage registration online as it is within the period where you can.
There is a birth, also in Scotstoun and Yoker, for an Elizabeth S Colquhoun in 1923. This is outside the period that you can view online and would need to be ordered (100yr closure for viewing births online).
Is this the second marriage for Elizabeth?
ELIZABETH SHERM. COLQUHOUN
and
NORMAN MONTGOMERY
1956
644/1 924
Provan
Elizabeth is also indexed for this marriage as Elizabeth Sherman Bell.
This is also outside the period that you can view online and would need to be ordered (75yr closure for viewing marriages online).
Does this fit with any of the facts you have?
Monica
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There is this shipping manifest entry:
Elizabeth Bell age 26 (born c. 1923)
Port of Departure: Quebec, Canada
Arrival Date: 18 May 1949
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Quebec
Ship Name: Samaria
Shipping Line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Travelling with her is a toddler (likely your dad?).
The address she gave for the UK was 1 Glen Crescent, Yoker, Glasgow. Yoker fits with what we have now for her.
Monica
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The 1956 Electoral Rolls for Glasgow shows the following people living at 1 Glen Crescent, Yoker:
Alexander Colquhoun
Violet Colquhoun
Elizabeth Bell
William Colquhoun
Violet and Alexander Colquhoun must have lived there for a long time. They show in the electoral rolls at this address from at least 1938.
Monica
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Violet Catherine COLQUHOUN/ SHERMAN died at the age of 71 in 1968 in Glasgow (ref 644/4 709).
You can view this image online. The rules for viewing death registrations online on SP are that the death took place more that 50 years ago.
You can see from this entry whether husband Alexander is still alive and do further searches with that info.
Monica
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Sorry....a lot of posts all in a row ::)
With the middle name of Catherine for Violet Sherman and her approximate birth year from her age at death (c. 1897-8), I think Violet's line might take you to Ireland.
There is this birth entry www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBN6-73N in 1897 in Belfast. See birth cert here https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02142/1813225.pdf If you haven't used the Irish BMD site before, free and easy to use. Just tick the 'I am not a robot' and add your name. You can then view and search on the site.
The Sherman family in 1911 www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001394112/ Haven't found them in 1901 so far. ADDED: 1901 entry www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003970520/
You should be able to check you have the right details in Ireland from Violet's marriage and death certs. Her parents' names will be included in both.
Monica
PS. Hopefully Alexander Colquhoun's details will get a little clearer with more information.
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Monica thankyou once again you have been a huge help! I have now been through scotland people and viewed all the relevant certificates and clarified that i have all the correct details.
I was so happy that you were able to find the shipping manifest entry for Elizabeth and my father as the BELL side of the family is so unknown all i know so far is:
Elizabeth Sherman Colquhoun married Alexander Cecil BELL (1st Dec 1945, in Glasgow)
My father was born in Ottawa, Canada in 1947
According to the shipping manifest you located Elizabeth and my father returning to the UK in 1949, Is there a manifest for them departing the UK in the first place?? Trying to work out where my grandfather (Alexander Cecil Bell) seemed to have disappeared too.
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I did try searching for an outward bound shipping manifest entry for Alexander and/or Elizabeth after their marriage but couldn't see anything. Maybe Alexander returned to Canada with his regiment and Elizabeth followed separately?
The combination of names, Alexander Cecil Bell, is not that common. I would think that there could well have been a further marriage for him to Lois J Stewart. The two obits certainly point in that direction.
I think next stage may be to try and get further details on this third marriage. You have his parents' details from his Glasgow marriage to let you check and compare. His obit could also include his parents' names to let you check. Your place reference looks to be Ottawa, Ontario for now.
I am not familiar with the Canadian resources for this period. Why not put up a new post on the Canadian board here www.rootschat.com/forum/canada/ Just remember to add the link to this thread here so people can see what you have already.
Monica
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yes its a possibility they travelled separately. The canadian research has been the hardest so far so was just checking out the canada board now. I'm not much of a computer person so will need to try work out how to link it.
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This is the link to this thread:
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=859619.0
Just copy and paste to your new post :)
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Just found this, and no idea what it connects to ???
This is from the Ottawa Journal, 16 Feb 1945. Therefore, before the marriage at the end of the year for Elizabeth and Alexander:
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Could be that Mary Adeline Bell was Alexander's first wife? Bringing an action against her husband for adultery?
Monica
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:o yes that was exactly what i was thinking.... perhaps another marriage to search for
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Monica are you able to send me a link to Elizabeth Bell shipping manifest or let me know where you located it ;D
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Another thread on the Canada Board
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=860022.0
Sandra
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thanks Sandra for all your help was trying to work out how to link the 2 of my searches im not very good with this technology stuff.
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It looks like he was born in Canada; here is the link to his family in 1911:
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?app=Census1911&op=pdf&id=e001998793
Note his Dad's lineage is Irish, and Mom (Martha Moody, from his birth reg), is Scottish.
Second ex-wife Elizabeth Colquoun can be found in a couple of nursing registers (1943 Glasgow, and 1954 Yoker).
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this is amazing!! thankyou for all this information on Alexander Cecil Bell (My Grandfather) and his siblings. I was thinking he passed away around 1950s after my father was born in Ottawa as none of my family ever spoke of him.
would you know where I would search to try locate him incoming/ departing Glasgow where he married my grandmother?
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The passenger lists viewable at the Canadian Archives only go to 1922ish, after that the pay sites have taken them over. I will try to poke around this weekend and see if anything comes up, but I suspect it was the war that drew him across the pond, so it may have been a troopship.
I did just find Alexander's father's death registration, he is listed as James SAMUEL Bell.
If you register (free) at Familysearch, you can view the image, lovely and clear, and gives his parents.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JKJ1-6WM
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thankyou if you could have a look that would be fantastic and WOW that certificate is really clear. It came through right at the right time as was just wanting to check that James Samuel Bell was defiantly his father. I noticed in Alexander Cecil Bells obituary his father was named as Samuel however the more of the newspaper articles I read I started to notice the boys were all named by their middle names.
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Martha Moody and James Samuel Bell marriage:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FMK8-VRP
There are lots of free records for the family there; just keep searching all the siblings names.
Have fun with it!
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To Bikermickau:
My apologies! I had bounced in here from the thread on the Canadian board, and didn't realize I was repeating findings (from Familysearch) that you already posted. I think I am now caught up on all the posts. So sorry!
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No problem, a second look assists.
To Bikermickau:
My apologies! I had bounced in here from the thread on the Canadian board, and didn't realize I was repeating findings (from Familysearch) that you already posted. I think I am now caught up on all the posts. So sorry!