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Would appreciate any help with Thomas McDonnell (b. c1858 Westmeath) and Rosanna Lynch (b. c1869 Meath). my gt-gt granparents. They had 6 children in Dublin but i cannot find a marriage record at all. Thomas and Rosanna lived in Cook street in Dublin in 1900 and 1902 but i cannot find them in the 1901 census at all. Thomas was a labourer.
Also, would them having such a large age gap maybe contribute to the fact they mightn't have married officially? their daughter Rosanna was my gt grandmother. her mother (Rosanna Lynch) died when she was young and wasnt mentioned much. would appreciate any help or suggestions as to why they wouldnt have married.
Thanks!
them in the 1911 census:
National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Beresford_Street__West_Side/37175/)
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Hello,
When Jane Esther was born in 1897, the family were living at 29 Cooke Street
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02129/1809131.pdf
The same address for Catherine in 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01997/1768360.pdf
I can see Cook Street in 1901 and (part Cook Street) but no 29. It looks as though there are several missing entries.
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yes, the census issue is very frustrating. ive emailed the national archives asking about the missing entries for cook street and they didnt really have an answer. Ive found a burial record for Rosanna Lynch so im hoping it might reveal something else.
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Burial record says Rosanna, Jane Esther and Thomas are all buried together. does not reveal much else.
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When did they die? Who was the informant on the deaths?
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This may be Rosanna McDonnell's death in 1914. #75
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1914/05289/4470127.pdf
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yes that is her death. thomas died in 1938.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1938/04770/4279726.pdf
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My Westmeath McDonnells changed their name to McDonnell from McDaniel around the 1870s/80s and this seems to have happened with other families in different parts of the country, might be worth keeping in mind.
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Will keep that in mind. thanks Sinann
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would appreciate any tips on how to proceed without a marriage certificate for the two.
also forgot to mention i think this could be Thomas McDonnells father. a tragic death but my grandfather always mentioned his mothers family being chimney sweeps and steeplejacks from westmeath. this is the first record i’ve found with that occupation that matches.
death James McDonnell 19 Oct 1883
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06344/4819550.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06344/4819550.pdf)
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Would appreciate any help with Thomas McDonnell (b. c1858 Westmeath) and Rosanna Lynch (b. c1869 Meath).
Also, would them having such a large age gap maybe contribute to the fact they mightn't have married officially?
A decade wouldn't have been considered a huge age gap. My Irish Granddad was 10 years older than both his wives, although he constantly adjusted his age on documents. There was likely a similar gap between his parents. 9 years between mine. Most of my (Irish) uncles married after age 30, wives were 2-10 years younger.
A man had to be able to support a wife, he may have had to wait years before he earned enough or took over a farm or had full-time work or could afford accommodation fit for a wife & child. He needed a wife young enough to bear several children.
Average ages at marriage rose after the Great Famine, couples in Ireland tended to marry young before then. Increase in average marriage age age was more in men.
Have you looked for a marriage outside Ireland?
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yes, i didnt think the age would really be much of a deal to be honest, im just trying to theorise why they might not have married. ive looked for a marriage in both the UK and the US but no luck.
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For possible resolution, see this thread on Thomas' first wife:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=861924.0 (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=861924.0)