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Title: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: riannisuileabhain on Sunday 13 March 22 17:01 GMT (UK)
Would appreciate any help with Thomas McDonnell (b. c1858 Westmeath) and Rosanna Lynch (b. c1869 Meath). my gt-gt granparents. They had 6 children in Dublin but i cannot find a marriage record at all. Thomas and Rosanna lived in Cook street in Dublin in 1900 and 1902 but i cannot find them in the 1901 census at all. Thomas was a labourer.

Also, would them having such a large age gap maybe contribute to the fact they mightn't have married officially? their daughter Rosanna was my gt grandmother. her mother (Rosanna Lynch) died when she was young and wasnt mentioned much. would appreciate any help or suggestions as to why they wouldnt have married.

Thanks!

them in the 1911 census:
National Archives: Census of Ireland 1911 (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Arran_Quay/Beresford_Street__West_Side/37175/)
Title: Re: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: heywood on Sunday 13 March 22 17:19 GMT (UK)
Hello,

When Jane Esther was born in 1897, the family were living at 29 Cooke Street
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02129/1809131.pdf

The same address for Catherine in 1900
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01997/1768360.pdf

I can see Cook Street in 1901 and (part Cook Street) but no 29. It looks as though there are several missing entries.
Title: Re: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: riannisuileabhain on Sunday 13 March 22 17:24 GMT (UK)
yes, the census issue is very frustrating. ive emailed the national archives asking about the missing entries for cook street and they didnt really have an answer. Ive found a burial record for Rosanna Lynch so im hoping it might reveal something else.
Title: Re: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: riannisuileabhain on Sunday 13 March 22 17:28 GMT (UK)
Burial record says Rosanna, Jane Esther and Thomas are all buried together. does not reveal much else.
Title: Re: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: heywood on Sunday 13 March 22 17:35 GMT (UK)
When did they die? Who was the informant on the deaths?
Title: Re: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: Kiltaglassan on Sunday 13 March 22 17:45 GMT (UK)

This may be Rosanna McDonnell's death in 1914.   #75
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1914/05289/4470127.pdf

Title: Re: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: riannisuileabhain on Sunday 13 March 22 17:48 GMT (UK)
yes that is her death. thomas died in 1938.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1938/04770/4279726.pdf
Title: Re: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: Maggsie on Sunday 13 March 22 18:22 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: Sinann on Sunday 13 March 22 20:56 GMT (UK)
My Westmeath McDonnells changed their name to McDonnell from McDaniel around the 1870s/80s and this seems to have happened with other families in different parts of the country, might be worth keeping in mind.
Title: Re: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: riannisuileabhain on Sunday 13 March 22 21:30 GMT (UK)
Will keep that in mind. thanks Sinann
Title: Re: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: riannisuileabhain on Monday 14 March 22 11:29 GMT (UK)
would appreciate any tips on how to proceed without a marriage certificate for the two.

also forgot to mention i think this could be Thomas McDonnells father. a tragic death but my grandfather always mentioned his mothers family being chimney sweeps and steeplejacks from westmeath. this is the first record i’ve found with that occupation that matches.

death James McDonnell 19 Oct 1883

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06344/4819550.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1883/06344/4819550.pdf)
Title: Re: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: Maiden Stone on Monday 14 March 22 18:51 GMT (UK)
Would appreciate any help with Thomas McDonnell (b. c1858 Westmeath) and Rosanna Lynch (b. c1869 Meath).
Also, would them having such a large age gap maybe contribute to the fact they mightn't have married officially? 


A decade wouldn't have been considered a huge age gap. My Irish Granddad was 10 years older than both his wives, although he constantly adjusted his age on documents. There was likely a similar gap between his parents. 9 years between mine. Most of my (Irish) uncles married after age 30, wives were 2-10 years younger.
A man had to be able to support a wife, he may have had to wait years before he earned enough or took over a farm or had full-time work or could afford accommodation fit for a wife & child. He needed a wife young enough to bear several children.
Average ages at marriage rose after the Great Famine, couples in Ireland tended to marry young before then. Increase in average marriage age age was more in men.
Have you looked for a marriage outside Ireland?
 
Title: Re: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: riannisuileabhain on Monday 14 March 22 21:37 GMT (UK)
yes, i didnt think the age would really be much of a deal to be honest, im just trying to theorise why they might not have married. ive looked for a marriage in both the UK and the US but no luck.
Title: Re: Thomas McDonnell and Rosanna Lynch
Post by: Wexflyer on Monday 09 May 22 06:28 BST (UK)
For possible resolution, see this thread on Thomas' first wife:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=861924.0 (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=861924.0)