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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Rodger on Wednesday 30 March 22 18:24 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to find more information on Edward George Hill who was born in 1877 in Wendron Cornwall England and came to Canada probably about 1881. He is in the 1881 census of Chinguacousy Ontario with his bother Richard and Richard's family and older sister Elizabeth who later married Thomas Leck.
I believe he is in the 1891 census of Trafalgar in Halton County working for Jacob Olmstead. An older sister Mary Pearce and her family are living in Trafalgar at this time so I believe he may have moved close to them. That is the last I can find for him and I was hoping to get more information if possible. Thanks for any help.
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No birth reg for him
Where did you get his middle name & birthplace from as the 1881 only shows him as Edward b England. How do you know he was Richard's brother? Nothing on the entry to indicate his relationship?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVF8-DWF
Richard Hill married Grace Eddy 1879 in Cornwall & Daughter Elizabeth Mary Eddy Hill was b Sept qtr 1879 in Cornwall
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Marriage of Richard & Grace
www.rootschat.com/links/01rew/
The 1861 census for Richard shows a brother Edward aged 7. It is therefore unlikely that the Edward aged 4 in 1881 was his brother.
2 possibilities - he was the illegitimate son of sister Elizabeth or the illegitimate son of Grace Eddy
There is a birth for an Edward Hill - no mothers maiden name - March qtr 1877 Helston
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Edward George Hill baptised 4.5.1879 Wendon, parents Richard & Elizabeth
HILL, EDWARD -
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in HELSTON Volume 05C Page 204
John
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The 1881 has Richard Hill 54 & Elizabeth 50 in Cornwall - youngest child Louisa aged 10.
I think Edward may well be their grandson by daughter Elizabeth (1881 Canadian census)
Did Elizabeth marry & possibly Edward is under her married name?
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2 possible 1891 entries
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MWL7-64V
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MW2D-67D
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The Edward in the 1861 census was Edward Faul Hill who died in 1863. They had several more children before the second Edward was bon in 1877 and was baptised in 1879. His brother Richard and wife Grace came to Canada in 1880 and Edward probably came with them then.
The baptism shows Edward parents as Richard and Elizabeth. His sister Elizabeth as I mentioned married Thomas Leck.
I thought when I started researching Edward that maybe he was the son of Elizabeth, Richard and Elizabeth's daughter, but I am now convinced because of the baptism record that he was the youngest child of that family.
Either way I can't find any records of him after 1891 if that is him working for Jacob Olmstead. I think that is him in Halton County because his sister Mary Pearce lived ther with her family.
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Edward George Hill baptised 4.5.1879 Wendron, parents Richard & Elizabeth
He was baptised along with 4 siblings Eliza, Louisa, Samuel John & William 4.5.1879 Wendron
The above 4 have mmn TREZISE but cannot find a birth for Edward George or marriage of parents
John
added, parents marriage 1850 Helston her surname TRESISE
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Yes those were 4 of his siblings and his mother's maiden name was Trezise.
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I have checked census after 1891 to see if he was living with any of his siblings in Ontario or maybe near them, but his name doesn't come up. I have checked marriage and death records but although Edward Hill comes up there is nothing to connect him to my Hill family. His brother Richard was my great grandfather.
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The Edward in the 1861 was not Edward Faull Hill - he was Edward Hill b 1853 mmn Tresize
Edward Faull Hill was b 1854 - mmn Faull
www.freebmd.org.uk &. www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
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I cannot understand why a child aged 4 would emigrate to Canada while both parents were still alive & living with their other children in Cornwall. Makes no sense
Richard & Elizabeth married 1850 - Edward was b 1876/77 - a long time after
The block christenings of some of the older children may have resulted in an assumption that he was the child of Richard & Elizabeth
If he was Richard & Elizabeth’s son - why are there birth registrations for all their other children with mmn Tresize etc but none for Edward??
I still feel he is the illegitimate son of Elizabeth hence the emigration
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Well you may be right and for a long time that is what I suspected. But I have to go by the baptismal record that says he is the son of Richard and Elizabeth. The reason why he came to Canada probably with his brother Richard and Grace may be by 1877 his parents, who had 11 other children, may have been too old to raise a young son and the opportunity in Canada would have seemed much greater.
So until I can find a record of his birth I will continue to list him as a son of Richard and Elizabeth in my family tree.
However my main direction now is to try and find out what happened to him. He did come to Canada, he is in the 1881 census that much is known for sure and I would love to know if he ever married, where he lived and worked and when and where he died.
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Rodger, I believe that Richard born sq 1859 Helston with mother's maiden name as Trezise is the brother of Elizabeth Hill born jq 1852 Helston mmn Trezise. This ties in nicely with the 1881 Canadian census.
Where I differ from what has been already posted in some of the research is I think he is the illegitimate son of Elizabeth Hill. His birth as below and already posted.
HILL, EDWARD - No mother's maiden name strongly suggests he is illegitimate
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in HELSTON Volume 05C Page 204
I know that it "appears" he was baptised with siblings in 1879 the son of Richard & Elizabeth Trezise this I think is incorrect and assumptions/cover up were made at the time.
If your finances allow I would strongly suggest you purchase that birth record to establish who his mother was as it will leave some doubt in your research/tree to the actual relationships.
John
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Hi Rodger,
I have found one fellow that might be who you are after, although not a perfect match.
You have Edward George Hill born 1877, and this fellow is George Edward Hill, who believes his birth date to be 16 Apr 1876, and born Helston, Cornwall. He served in WW1.
Army records are here: https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B4350-S033
They are slow to load, and many pages are "over-digitized" and hard to read.
Going from memory, I think he was a mechanic by trade. It will be on the first page.
Page 37 of 80 states born Cornwall, separated from wife Ellen Louise and has four children:
John Edward, age 11
George William, age 9
Elizabeth Wilhelmina, age 7
James Frederick, age 5
The page with the children was dated 1916.
Page 38 of 80 states both parents are deceased.
Page 65 0f 80 states birth town/city of Helston, dob 16 Apr 1876
The next of kin was William Bollman (or Bullman). He was listed as trustee, as George's army will leaves his assets to the children. William is brother to the estranged wife, Ellen Louise.
A quick search of the family in the 1911 census did not reveal them.
There was a 1916 census, and the children are living with William Bullman, and William's mother, Wilhelmina.
Three of the children are still with William in the 1921 census.
After the war, George Edward applied for a soldier's land grant in Abee, Alberta. (He enlisted in the army in Edmonton, Alberta).
The birth dates of the children (born Manitoba) can be searched here: https://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php
I had a hard time finding Elizabeth,so will include her here. Her middle name was misspelled and transcribed as follows:
Elizabeth Wilhilmena Hill
28 Dec 1908
Rapid City, Manitoba, Canada
If you think this is the right family, I, or others, can expand on it, as there is marriages etc for the children. The last sighting of this George was Abee, Alberta, and unfortunately, Alberta is one of the more "difficult" provinces to find BMD's in.
Edited to add:
In the 1901 census, Rapid City, Manitoba, George E. Hill, born 16 Apr 1876, working at farming. Immigration year to Canada was 1880, so age 4. Single (he married Ellen Louise Eliza Bollman in 1904)
In the 1921 census, George lists himself as single, and farming in Abee, Alberta. He is living alone.
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bbart, good find, it could well be our man. Quote from your post
"A quick search of the family in the 1911 census did not reveal them."
Look for HELEN Hill, Marquette, Manitoba, Canada.
Whilst his year of birth is 1 year out the jq quarter in which he says is his birth date took place fits well with the birth as previously posted in 1877.
John
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I had a hard time finding Elizabeth,so will include her here. Her middle name was misspelled and transcribed as follows:
Elizabeth Wilhilmena Hill
28 Dec 1908
Rapid City, Manitoba, Canada
Great stuff bbart -
FIND A GRAVE with obituary attached.
Wilhelmina Elizabeth Mulvey Stuart - 28 December 1908 Rapid City, Western Manitoba Census Division, Manitoba, Canada.
Death Date 3 Dec 2003 Vernon, North Okanagan Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
Cemetery: Vernon Cemetery
Burial or Cremation Place Vernon, North Okanagan Regional District, British Columbia, Canada
Spouse Robert Thompson Stuart.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rf1/
https://www.tributearchive.com/obituaries/20257347/Wilhelmina-Stuart
Sandra
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George William Hill - Birth Date 9 Jul 1907 Rapid City, Manitoba, Canada
Mother Ellen Bollman.
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
George William Hill - George W Hill Birth Date 7 Jul 1907 Rapid City M, Canada
Death Date 1 Jul 1993
Father George E Hill - Mother Ellen L Long.
FIND A GRAVE
Pinecrest Memorial Park and Garden MausoleumAlexander, Saline County, Arkansas.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rf2/
1930 census Alcester, Union, South Dakota.
Peter E Long 43 Head.
Ellen L Long 45 Wife. Born Canada. Imm 1914. NA. Parents born Germany.
George W Hill 22 Stepson (Step Son) Imm 1919. NA.
Sandra
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Ellen L Long - 11 November 1884 Rapid City. Manitoba. Died 1977. (aged 92 years)
Marriage Date 1904 - Marriage Place Huron
Residence Place: Alcester, S.D.
Obituary Date: 16 Jun 1977
Obituary Place: Sioux Falls, South Dakota, USA
Newspaper Title: Argus-Leader
Spouse George Hill
Children :- John Hill - George Hill - Wilhelmina Stuart.
FIND A GRAVE
Pleasant Hill Cemetery Alcester, Union County, South Dakota.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rf3/
Sandra
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A quick search of the family in the 1911 census did not reveal them.
Under HILT on ancestry.
1911 census Marquette, Manitoba.
John Bollman 73
Wilimenia Bollman 68
Jacob Bollman 32
Helen Hilt 28
John Hilt 7 - George Hilt 5 - Wilimene Hilt 3 - James Hilt 3 months.
Sandra
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Sandra, whilst your on a roll, I thought Ellen had re-married, but did George Edward as well.
Marriage
George Edward Hill to Marie Parasyczyn 8.11.1929 Dauphin Manatoba. ?
John
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Haven't come across anything yet John which leads me on that path. :-\
John Edward Hill
Birth Date 24 Aug 1905 R.M. of Saskatchewan, Manitoba, Canada
Mother Ellen L C Bollman.
SSDI - John E. Hill - Birth Date 24 Aug 1905 - 25 November 1990
Issue Year Before 1951 - Issue State South Dakota.
FIND A GRAVE
Memorial Park Cemetery Mason City, Cerro Gordo County, Iowa.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rf5/
spouse - Bernice V Hill 1905 - 2002
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/55522245/bernice-v-hill
Sandra
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Reading through the land grant records for Abee, Alberta, at some point George defaulted. The pages are out of order, but it looks like he abandoned the land and/or something to do with the disbursement loan. The Board forfeited his entitlement, and from the date stamps it looks like forfeiture proceedings started around March 1929, and were completed by May 1929.
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John Edward Hill - 1905 - marriage 7September 1930 Brown South Dakota (aged 25 years)
Residence Post Office Aberdeen
Spouse Bernice Violet Payne - Certificate 140016 - Registration Number 12047
1940 census Aberdeen, Brown, South Dakota. (also lived here in 1935)
John E Hill 35 Head. Born Canada.
Bernice Hill 35 Wife
Son B E Hill 6 Son
Shirley Ann Hill 3 Daughter (deceased)
Shirley A. Miller - Shirley A. Hill - 3 April 1936 Aberdeen South Dakota -marriage 24 August 1958 Mason City - died 29 February 2020 (aged 83 years)
Death Date - 29 Feb 2020 Clear Lake
Father John Hill
Sandra
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Obit for Shirley Hill/Miller (with photograph)
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/globegazette/name/shirley-miller-obituary?id=21360445
Sandra
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Obit for the wife (Carol Sperry Wosak Hill) husband " B E Hill" - son of John Hill and Bernice
with photograph - Published by The Burlington Free Press on Sep. 15, 2015.
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/burlingtonfreepress/name/carol-hill-obituary?id=21818936
Sandra
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Sorry for the slow response (sometimes work gets in the way). There is a lot here and it will take me some time to go over it. Thanks to everyone who has looked into this.
I am still quite certain that my Edward is in the 1891 census from Trafalgar Ontario because that is the area his sister Mary Pearce lives. If he is Elizabeth's son why isn't he with her in the 1891 census when he was only 14?
I think I should request a birth record as John suggested.
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I think I should request a birth record as John suggested.
If nothing else, it will give an actual date of birth, which could rule in or out the fellow we are chasing!
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Rodger, if you do order the birth please put us out of our misery and let us know what it says.
Happy hunting
John
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I think the George Edward Hill suggested by bbart is a strong candidate. I did order a birth certificate and will post the results when they come. I asked for a digital copy also but that could take over a month. I will post the results when I get them.
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Ellen L Long - 11 November 1884 Rapid City. Manitoba. Died 1977. (aged 92 years)
Marriage Date 1904 - Marriage Place Huron
Residence Place: Alcester, S.D.
Obituary Date: 16 Jun 1977
Obituary Place: Sioux Falls, South Dakota, USA
Newspaper Title: Argus-Leader
Spouse George Hill
Children :- John Hill - George Hill - Wilhelmina Stuart.
FIND A GRAVE
Pleasant Hill Cemetery Alcester, Union County, South Dakota.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rf3/
Sandra
Argus-Leader Sioux Falls, South Dakota
16 Jun 1977, Thu Page 2
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/98977439/ellen-l-long-16-june-1977/
Sandra
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Need a year of birth to discount this chap - George Edward Hill died 1961
Star-Phoenix Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
6 Sep 1961, Wed Page 22
https://www.newspapers.com/clip/98978054/george-edward-hill-30-august-1961/
FIND A GRAVE
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01rfe/
Sandra
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I finally got the copy of his birth record. It lists his mother as Elizabeth Hill a Domestic Servant but no name or occupation is given for his father. This would confirm the suspicion that the baptism record was incorrect and that he was born out of wedlock to Elizabeth, the daughter of Richard Hill and Elizabeth Trezise. His birth date is April 21, 1877 at Roselidden Wendron in Cornwall. But unlike his baptism, he does not have a second name only Edward. The question still is what happened to him in Canada. The most likely candidate to date is the George Edward Hill living in Rapid City Manitoba who married Ellen Louise Bollman but I have nothing tying this man to the 4 year old Edward Hill in the 1981 census from Peel County Ontario with his (now known mother) Elizabeth. Is it possible he died in Ontario shortly after the 1881 census?