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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (North Riding) => Topic started by: carol80 on Friday 08 April 22 22:59 BST (UK)
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Have come to halt in my research.
I am looking for Elizabeth COLLISON"s Family. She was born in 1806 Cundall Father Francis.
She married Robert JOHNSON on 11th September 1825 at Ainderby Steeple.
They went on to have 11 children. The 10th child Mary Ann JOHNSON is my direct line. The 11 children were;
William 1826
Sarah 1829
Margaret 1831
Robert 1833
John 1835
Elizabeth 1837
Francis Guy 1839
Thomas 1841
James 1843
Mary Ann 1845
Jane 1848
I am trying to go back to my 4th great grandparents on the COLLISON side if possible.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Carol
P.s Will be out most of the day so if I don't reply I will be back tonight NZ time
I have modified this post so the surname I am Searching for is COLLISON.
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What do you know already Carol?
Where do you get the birth date of 1806 from and the fact her father was Francis?
On her marriage in 1825, or have you found her birth?
Which sites have you tried?
familysearch, findmypast. freereg etc?
There's little point somebody going over the same ground you have.
Is this where you've drawn a blank?
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The baptism is on familysearch. Transcription only. Have you seen the actual register to see what it says?
Also on familysearch a Francis Collison married Margaret Chilton 8 April 1800 at Northallerton - just a couple of miles from Ainderby Steeple. It looks as if the Banns book also survives, as the date for a 'marriage notice' is 9 March 1800 and 'Banns' 2 March.
No images viewable from home, but it looks as though they may be on one of the other sites like findmypast or ancestry.
There are a couple of other marriages for 'Francis Collinson' within a 15 miles radius. It may be the man, or different ones.
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Notes
Pallot's marriage Index says Francis Collison was of Aronby when he married Margaret Chilton at Northallerton. Both were single.
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Thanks for your help.
I no longer use paysites for searching as after 40 years of searching I find you need to subscribe to 2 or 3 sites to be able to get all the information you need to get the whole picture.
I have the baptism of Elizabeth from Family Search.
I have found Robert and Elizabeth residing at Low Worsall, Sunderland in the 1841 Census.
Robert born in 1804 dies in 1848 and Elizabeth born in 1806 dies in 1854.
I have also just found a birth for a Henry Collison born in 1818 Cundall Father Francis Mother Ann.
I know nothing about Elizabeth's parents apart from her father being Francis if I have the correct baptism.
Elizabeth had a son Francis born in 1839. He was the 4th son so unsure if this is an indication of her father's name.
Your help is much appreciated.
Carol
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Have you found any of these people in the 1851, and later, Census records?
What marriage details do you have for your Mary Ann JOHNSON, b 1845?
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I have 1851 for Elizabeth and 1861 for Mary Ann.
Can not find Mary Ann's cert on my computer at the moment but this is the reference I used to purchase; JOHNSON, MARY ANN COLLISON
GRO Reference: 1845 M Quarter in STOCKTON AND SEDGEFIELD Volume 24 Page 255
1851 Census
Elizabeth 46 b 1805 Head Black Smith Widow b Curdale
William 26 b 1825 Son Blacksmith b Sowerby
John 15 b 1836 Son Agricultural Labour b Low Worsall
Elizabeth 13 b 1838 Daughter b Low Worsall
Thomas 9 b 1842 Son b Low Worsall
James 7 b 1844 Son b Low Worsall
Mary Ann 5 b 1846 Daughter b Low Worsall
Jane 3 b 1848 Daughter b Low Worsall
Living; Low Worsall Parish: Worsall Reg District Stockton
HO 107/2383/F78
1861 Census; Mary A. Johnson, aged 17 born in Worsall, working for a farmer called John Kingston aged 38. RG9 3657 Folio 35
Mary Ann Johnson married Christopher Stonehouse on 21st May 1861 in Kirby In Cleveland.
I am now following Mary Ann's Siblings.
Francis Guy Johnson b 1839 d 1850 so not in 1851 Census.
Robert and Elizabeth Johnson were buried in High Worsall but I don't know where to look for their graves
Carol
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parish marriage 21 May 1861 Kirkby cum Broughton
Christopher Stonehouse full age bach miner Broughton father Matthew Stonehouse miner
Mary Ann Johnson 17 spinster servant Broughton father Robert Johnson Blacksmith deceased
witnesses Robert Baston & Rose Hannah Simpson
Baptism Kirk Leavington
30 March 1845 Mary Ann daughter of Robert, blacksmith, & Elizabeth Johnson of Low Worsall
Burials High Worsall parish church
13 Feb 1848 Robert Johnson 44 of Low Worsall
2 July 1854 Elizabeth Johnson 49 of Low Worsall
marriage Ainderby Steeple
11 Sept 1825
Robert Johnson of Leeds & Elizabeth Collinson otp with consent of parents, only one witness Thomas White
Baptism Cundall 27 Dec 1805 Elizabeth daughter of Francis Collison of Cundall
Also same parish
13 Nov 1811 Mary daughter of Francis Collinson of Cundall
6 Sept 1818 Henry son of Francis & Ann Collison
marriage 15 Oct 1816 Francis Collison, labourer, & Ann Dunn both otp
possible burials
29 March 1825 Ann Collinson 47
27 April 1831 Francis Collinson 67
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Notes
Pallot's marriage Index says Francis Collison was of Aronby when he married Margaret Chilton at Northallerton. Both were single.
Google says there is no place called 'Aronby' in England.
It suggests a place called 'Hornby', which is small village about 3 miles from Bedale, which is 8 miles from Northallerton.
(I guess if you say 'Aronby' in a broad Yorkshire accent, it could well have been 'Hornby'!).
I seem to remember there were Francis Collisons mentioned as being from Bedale when I was looking yesterday - on familysearch.
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Thank you for all this information, some I had but you have given me extra detail. Your help is much appreciated.
So Francis Collison had 2 Marriages
Margaret Chilton 8 April 1800 and then Ann Dunn 15 Oct 1816.
Elizabeth and Mary by Margaret And Henry by Ann.
I also have 2 Baptism for Elizabeth Collison one on 12th Jan 1806 father Francis and another one on 21st Jan 1806 Father Francis both at Cundall. Now you have given me a Baptism of 27th Dec 1805 Father Francis at Cundall. So was Francis Collison a common name in the area?
Yorkshire is a big County so being in New Zealand I don't have a clue how close each of these places is.
At the time of Christopher's Marriage to Mary Ann, Christopher was a Jet Miner. So guessing he was mining jet around Whitby.
Thanks again
Carol
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Yorkshire is a big County so being in New Zealand I don't have a clue how close each of these places is.
Carol
It's very easy to find out.
Put ,say, bedale yorkshire to northallerton, into a Google search, and it should come up with a little map and the distance between them.
I'm also in NZ, and have no idea about places in Yorkshire either! :)
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So Francis Collison had 2 Marriages
Margaret Chilton 8 April 1800 and then Ann Dunn 15 Oct 1816.
I also have 2 Baptism for Elizabeth Collison one on 12th Jan 1806 father Francis and another one on 21st Jan 1806 Father Francis both at Cundall. Now you have given me a Baptism of 27th Dec 1805 Father Francis at Cundall. So was Francis Collison a common name in the area?
Thanks again
Carol
You need to be sure this is the same Francis Collison in these two marriages.
Have you checked for the burial of Margaret the first wife?
The transcriptions of these Yorkshire registers seem to be on familysearch - so free searching.
As I said, there did seem to be a few marriages for a Francis Collison around that area.
It's hard to say if this was the same person or not.
I would say Collison is not a common name, and Francis with it would make it even more uncommon. But you can never assume anything in family history research!
You cannot reply on transcriptions to find out these details. You really do need to see the actual register to see if there is any other information in it.
I suspect the two baptisms for ELizabeth in 1806 - 12th January and 21st January, is the same entry. It may be the date is very difficult to make out, or whoever has transcribed them, one of them has entered the wrong date, - swopped the numbers around. The one on the 27th Dec 1805 is so near the January dates, it's difficult to say what is going on without again looking at the original register.
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Thanks for that.
I found a Buriel on F.S. for a Mary Ann Stonehouse in Darlington 1915 but the last address I have is 1911 in Stokesley.
Using maps I see it's just over half an hour away. Age fits so could be her. I will see if I can find her in Darlington's remembrance book.
I made need to ask for a lookup of the marriages and baptism's as it's just a transcription on F.S. The records seem to be held at North Yorkshire County Records Office.
Carol
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The banns for the marriage state that Francis Collison is of the parish of Topcliffe & Margaret Chilton is of Northallerton
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Lots of these records are on findmypast.
I had a look at the baptism register for Elizabeth's baptism.
There is no baptism December 27th 1805.
Whoever has done that transcription, has taken the date of the entry above that of Elizabeth.
As far as I can tell, the date of her baptism is Jan 19th - not 12th or 21st.
Interesting that there is an entry for the 1800 marriage in the 'Banns book', but in the actual register it says 'by licence'.
findmypast have the Yorkshire licences, but I can't find this one. That's a shame, as it may have given more information about him.
If it was by licence, it adds to the theory he may have been married before. It was not always the case that widowers got a marriage licence for their next marriage, but it was one of the reasons why they may have applied for one.
Both Francis Collison and Margaret Chilton 'make their marks'.
There is also a marriage in 1796 of a Francis Collison at Bedale to a Jane Prest.
The Francis Collison buried in 1831, was aged (about), 67, so born in 1764.
If his first marriage was to in 1800, he would have been 36 years old. Quite old for a first marriage.
I can't see any burials for previous wives, but this is not uncommon.
Unfortunately, Francis Collison does not seem to have left a will, which might have cleared up a lot of things.
Francis Collison baptised 7 JAn 1768 Bedale of Christopher and Frances.
Also a Francis Collison baptised 22 Dec 1777 Bedale to Francis and Mary. He was buried 1 Dec 1840.
Looks as if there was quite a family of them around there.
If you live within the Auckland city library area, you can access findmypast through the library website - you have to sign in.
Maybe other city libraries have the same facility.
You can also access familysearch records for free at the library.
I see familysearch have the Cundall registers on film, but they can only be accessed at an LDS library, or an affiliate library - which Auckland library is.
You really do need to be able to look at original records to make sense of these parish registers.
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I am in Tauranga. LDS is just up the road a couple of km.
Our Main Library has just moved otherwise I would be there but will wait until people have had a look before going down.
We have a library Edition for Ancestry and Find my Past, also Newspaper.
For Elizabeth, I have born on the 12th and baptised on the 19th.
I will find out when LDS are open to the public and see if I can get there.
I have found I had the wrong Robert Johnson married to Elizabeth but now sorted I think.
The Stonehouse family belong to my Mum And Grandfather both now deceased. But they have left me with Johnson, Johnstone and Johnston as surnames to research. The Stonehouse line was done by my Great Uncle in the 70's.
Thanks for all your help.
Carol
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Whoever has done that transcription, has taken the date of the entry above that of Elizabeth.
That was me. As the year 1806 seemed to start underneath the entry I thought the baptism was in 1805. :-[
All the info I gave was from the registers and not from transcriptions.
On the 1816 marriage, there is no mention of bachelor or widower for Francis.
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Thanks for that osprey.
I remember when I used to transcribe. I would be sent a cd from England, then transcribe it, then upload it.
It was hard as they were all English towns and I didn't know all of them so made a guess at what I saw. They said just copy what you see.
Thanks for taking the time to do the transcribing.
So it's just a matter of finding the right Francis with the right marriage.
Carol
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Hi carol80,
i have Elizabeth in my tree, Annie Johnson b1894 Trimdon d 1916 Pruhoe
Thomas b1863
John b1835
Robert b1806
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