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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: Nova67 on Sunday 10 April 22 00:32 BST (UK)
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Hello :)
I have noticed that at least four of my close family have DNA matches to multiple people who further back in their trees have a Sarah Chandler marrying William Ovens on 19 Aug 1761. No further explanation as to where this marriage was and no records attached. Ancestry shows the same on public trees.
The couple had children baptised in Rangeworthy to a William Ovens and Sarah.
I assume the burial of Sarah Ovens is on 22 Oct 1826 at Holy Trinity, Rangeworthy, Gloucestershire aged 85, OTP.
I have looked at Ancestry, FindMyPast and Free Reg.
I am wondering where the idea that she is Sarah Chandler comes from and the parish marriage, which I cannot find?
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Presumably you’ve asked the tree owners where they got the information about the marriage?
Have you looked on Familysearch? This shows coverage:
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Rangeworthy,_Gloucestershire_Genealogy
(but you may need to expand the search to other areas.)
Public trees all showing the same info obviously could have been copied off each other. :)
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Thank you Ruskie.
There are 82 public trees, so no idea who started it ??? The rate of replies is such that I do not bother too much with contacting people, as it is too disheartening.
The following children of William Ovens and Sarah (unknown) are all baptised at Rangeworthy:
Sarah Ovens 25 Jul 1762
William Ovens 27 Nov 1763
Charles Ovens 17 Dec 1769
Most of the trees have Sarah born in 1724 and death date 19 Feb 1782. I have worked out where the origins of the dates come from a transcription of a memorial inscription:
https://places.wishful-thinking.org.uk/GLS/Rangeworthy/MIs.html
Sarah, w/o William OVENS,
Of this parish, 19 Feb 1782, 57
William, 12 May 1797, 67
Charles, s, 20 March 1817, 48
William, s/o Charles OVENS,
13 Sept 1876, 82
Helen his wife, 14 April ****, ** [looks like] (1838, 67)
She would have been older having the children estimated age based on above would be 38, 39 and 45. It could even be a second marriage as such.
Maybe the Rangeworthy parish marriages (re a potential marriage) are not online on the major sites?
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No joy here either:
England & Wales Hardwicke Marriage Index
Marriages 1754 - 1837
Rangeworthy Holy Trinity
http://www.tinstaafl.co.uk/eandwhmi/gloucestershire/church%20pages/rangeworthy.htm
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William son of Charles has to be the grandson of William and Sarah.
He has to be the son of Charles who died 1814 age 48.
Burial 1876 age 82 gives a birth circa 1794
There is a William Ovens buried 9 January 1852 age 88 birth circa 1764 abode Rangeworthy who would be the son of William and Sarah.
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Look at the 1841 census of Thornbury
Charles Chandler 80
Richard Chandler 48 Hatter
George Chandler 19
William OVENS 77
All born in county.
Perhaps this is where they got the idea his wife was a Chandler.
1851 Thornbury
William Ovens 85 born Rangeworthy pauper formerly Hatter.
Note 1841 Richard Chandler is a Hatter. Possible apprenticeship records
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Checking on the Forest of Dean Family History (free, just register)
https://forest-of-dean.net
Under heading: Resources, Marriage Licence Allegations 1637-1837 and Marriage Bonds 1730-1823
There are 281 records CHANDLER (sometimes there are 2 per marriage i.e. Bond/Licence) -
3 for Thornbury, (2 of them for Levi CHANDLER in 1786 who was a felt maker.
There are only 18 OVENS Listed ranging from dates 1708 til 1837.
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Thank you amondg.
In the earlier apprentice records on FindMyPast multiple Chandler's in Rangeworthy are feltmakers.
Charles Chandler and his wife Amy are both Master Feltmakers
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Thank you also Capetown :)
I was interested as x6 grandmother is Jane Chandler baptised 1754 Wedmore, Somerset? to John Chandler and Anna(h). The only dates I have for John Chandler are probable burial in 1771 in Wedmore. Different county, but otherwise will have to go back to the drawing board with the DNA matches nearest common ancestors.
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? There is a Licence : 12 May 1750
John CHANDLER (Widower)
and Ann HARRIS (Spinster)
To marry at Badgeworth.
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Who know!! looking at the map, although Wedmore, Somerset is over 72 miles away from Badgeworth, the River Severn is very close. On the Forest of Dean records, marriages and births, belong to people working/living on the River - and do see marriages up and down the Severn. Sometimes, the children from the same family are baptised in different places.
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Hi Capetown,
I did see that. It gets hard to know this far back. On some of the baptisms she is Anna or Annah, so could equally be Hannah!
Meanwhile, I have discovered another ancestors occupation on the apprenticeship records, so thank you!!!
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Looking at Genuki, Somerset
WEDMORE - From the National Gazetteer of Great Britian and Ireland (1868)
WEDMORE, a parish in the hundred of Bempstone, county Somerset, 8 miles from Wells, 6 S.E. of Axbridge, and 4 from Shapwick railway station.
It is situated on the turnpike road from Highbridge to Wells. The parish, which is divided from the hundred of Wells by the river Axe, and bounded on the S by the Brue, contains the tythings of Wedmore, the Borough, Churchland, Blackford, and Northload.
Its name is said to have been originally WET-MOOR, owing to its having been under water nine months in the year, but within the present century it has been extensively drained.
Wedmore is a polling place for the county elections, and an ancient borough governed by a portreeve chosen yearly at the manorial court, with water bailiffs, constables, and other officers.
A court leet is held annually.
----Must have need boats in the 18th century to get about.
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Oh dear!!!
Jane Chandler married Edward Wride 25 May 1772 • Bedminster, St John, Somerset, England. Basing the Wedmore baptism on DNA result.
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Quite a difficult challenge to know where the people, who married in Bedminster came from.
Just looking again at the Forest of Dean Licences etc.
There are about 19 for Bedminster, Somerset.
For example, this one will show you how people travelled up and down the River.
20 Jan 1786
Sydenham TEAST, aged 25, occupation: Shipwright, residence: Bedminster in the County of Somerset
Eleonor BUCKLE aged 21, residence: Mythe in the Parish of Tewkesbury
by Licence: To marry at Tewkesbury.
Seems Eleanor, (was on the boats up and down the River Severn, with her family)
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I hadn't considered the River Severn and travelling, particularly given the era. I am only always thinking of land travel. Thank you.
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Four of my family have what looks like two separate matches to people with Chandler from Wedmore, Somerset. I will try messaging one as their tree comes up as Private and searchable.
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Just out of curiosity: is William OVENS in your tree or is Sarah CHANDLER in your tree. It's unclear from your query. I have numerous generations of CHANDLER in my tree from Stroud/Randwick area. Although I've not yet added her to my tree, I found a Sarah CHANDLER baptised 1739, in Stroud, to Nathaniel - right age to be married in 1761 (not that I've found a marriage to William OVENS)
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Thank you for your interest.
Sorry to say that I do not have William Ovens or Sarah Chandler in my tree. Some of my close family DNA matched to people who do. I think Sarah (Chandler) might not exist as there seems to be no record of this marriage apart from on public trees on Ancestry. I do not know where the information stems from?
I am a direct descendant of Jane Chandler who married Edward Wride in St John, Bedminster, Somerset 25 May 1772. I think she must have been baptised 10 Mar 1754 Wedmore, Somerset as my family has had multiple DNA matches to her niece Betsy/Elizabeth Chandler's descendants who emigrated to the USA.
Chandler was the only name I recognised back from what appeared to be the shared matches common ancestors. Just not known to be in common with us!
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Thanks, Nova67.
I think we've all experienced this phenomenon where numerous people have added things to their trees with no evidence at all. Unfortunately, we must be very vigilant when accepting Ancestry Hints as they have often emerged from these 'rabbit holes'!
Good Luck with your Chandlers.