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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: rodhill on Tuesday 03 May 22 13:46 BST (UK)
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Hi All
I have a family coming to Tasmania on board Snow Cloud that left Glasgow as Bounty Immigrants in1855. I was hoping some one may be able to assist me in finding where they came from as all it says on the shipping list is that the came from Scotland . I have their names and ages and occupations
John aged 40 so born abt 1811 listed as a Shephard
Donald 21 born abt 1834 Shephard
Robert 19 born abt 1836 Shephard
Ann 17 born abt 1838 Housemaid
Lachlan 15 born abt 1840 Shephard
Catherine 13 born 1842
Christina 10 born abt 1845
Alexander ???? 7 born abt 1848
Allan 4 born 1851
ALL could read and wright
Is there any way some could track them down in the census ? or BDM
any assistance would be most appreciated
Rod
Hobart Tasmania
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What is their surname? You should be able to find them in both the 1841 and 1851 Scottish censuses.
There doesn’t appear to be a mother for the children in your list of names. Didn’t she travel with her family?
Added: Is the surname Campbell, and is mother’s name Catherine? :-\
If so, John was born in Kilmonivaig, Invernesshire - others also born Kilmonivaig or Kilmallie. Address on 1851 census in Callart, Inverness. If this is your family some of the children from your list are not at home - possibly working away from home. I haven’t looked for them though.
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Hi Rod
You could try sites Free Cen and Free Reg. not complete coverage throughout UK but some places 100% the Inverness-shire 1851 census is 100%. Free BMD does not cover Scotland.
When you find your Scottish family pay to view site Scotland's People is very good once you get the hang of it but you can make expensive mistakes .
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Doing a search on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk. Which you would need to register with first will give you the births of the children on the old parish registers
The parents names are John Campbell and Catherine McLachlan
Ruskie has posted where they were on the 1851 census
Rosie
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Some parts of Scotland are covered quite well on Familysearch too, so it is sometimes worth checking there before, or as well as, Scotland’s people (as it can help narrow down the possibly correct record and save you some credits).
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In 1841 the family are in Bunchuliie, Kilmonivaig.
There appears to be another son, Angus, who is 7. :-\
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=14.650141750983178&lat=56.90802&lon=-4.99635&layers=161&right=ESRIWorld
I don’t know what Bunchuilie is - possibly name of a farm?
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Many thanks for all replies very much appreciated indeed .I have just spent 3 hours checking out the sites mentioned but can only find 3 children's births Catherine , Christina and Alexander, perhaps I getting to old for this , could some one please assist me with births of the children and John and Catherine' marriage
all assistance would be extremely appreciated
Rod
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In 1841 the family are in Bunchuliie, Kilmonivaig.
I would suggest looking at the original image on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk to see what the name of the place is as Anc* come up with some strange transcriptions.
Annie
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When you find your Scottish family pay to view site Scotland's People is very good once you get the hang of it but you can make expensive mistakes .
Not near as expensive as errors on English BMDs at full price approx. £12 a cert. which would be the equivalent of 8 SP certs?
I've never understood why people keep going on about the cost of SP certs. as they're the cheapest in the world in my experience.
Annie
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In 1841 the family are in Bunchuliie, Kilmonivaig.
I would suggest looking at the original image on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk to see what the name of the place is as Anc* come up with some strange transcriptions.
Annie
Very true. :)
And yes, I agree that the the Scottish certificates are very affordable (a few wrong ones won’t break the bank for many people). ;)
Annie and the others should be able to clarify, but the amount of information on Scottish church registers (ie pre 1855) can vary from fairly useful to not much at all. In general, worth the cost I think.
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This is the marriage
John Campbell
Catherine McLachlan
30 May 1833
Ballachulish Argyll
Rosie
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If you search old parish records and just put in surname Campbell
First parent John
Second Catherine
With a range from 1833/1851 you will find the births for the children
Some born Ballachulish and Kilmonivaig
Rosie
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I agree Rossini’s I don’t think the Scotlandspeople is expensive at all.
I think the mistake people make is looking up entries randomly before narrowing it down with all the information they have to hand and deducing the best option from the index.
There is a very good entry on the header of the Scotland board called ‘Optimise Scotlands people searches’ it’s worth a read.
Also you can do a preliminary search on one of the free sites to narrow down your parameters.
I wish there was an English equivalent to Scotlandspeople as I get impatient waiting for the certificates to come and the cost. The reality is I just want the accurate information not the document.
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Bunchullie is -or rather was - an isolated croft. Just the sort of place where a shepherd would live, to be near his flocks.
From FreeCEN, which has much better transcriptions, usually done by people who know something about the areas they're transcribing.
1841 census: Bunchuile, Kilmonivaig
John Campbell, shepherd, 40; Catherine, 26; Donald, 9; Angus, 7; Robert, 4; Lachlan, 1.
You would struggle to find anywhere much more remote than this. It's on the first edition of the Ordnance Survey six-inch map as Bunchaolie
See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=57.07451&lon=-5.30199&layers=5&b=1
I think it was mostly submerged when the Loch Quoich dam was built in 1955.
See https://www.geograph.org.uk/snippet/1566
1851 census: Callart, Kilmallie
John Campbell, shepherd, 35; wife Catherine, 34; children Lachlan, 10; Catharine, 6; Christy Ann, 4; Alexander, 2. All born Kilmonivaig except Catherine senior and Lachlan, who were born in Kilmallie.
This is Callert, on the north shore of Loch Leven - quite a busy place by comparison. It's a mile or two west of North Ballachulish.
See https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=16&lat=56.69833&lon=-5.11363&layers=5&b=1&marker=56.69725,-5.11282
Callert House https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NN0960
Callert Cottage https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NN1060
This was the property of Sir Duncan Cameron. It would be reasonable to suppose that he was John Campbell's employer.
It looks as if John's age on at least one of the censuses is incorrect, as he can't have been aged 35 in 1851 if he was aged 40 ten years earlier in 1841.
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If you search old parish records and just put in surname Campbell
First parent John
Second Catherine
With a range from 1833/1851 you will find the births for the children
Some born Ballachulish and Kilmonivaig
Ballachulich was a quoad sacra parish erected in 1833 out of Kilmallie.
What this means is that for the purposes of the church, Ballachulish was a separate parish from 1833, but for civil purposes it remained part of the parish of Kilmallie. This is why the baptisms are recorded in Ballachulish but the census records refer to Kilmallie.
Quoad sacra parishes were erected when there was a significant enough population to warrant setting up a new kirk, and/or the people involved lived far enough away from the main parish kirk to make it an onerous undertaking to attend services there.
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I see some”sheepfolds” on those maps Forfarian. :)
Beautiful country.
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many thanks for very ones assistance which is much appreciated
Rod
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I see some”sheepfolds” on those maps Forfarian. :)
Yes.
You can just about make out the dyke round the infield at Bunchaolie on the satellite view.
Beautiful country.
Yes, but I personally wouldn't want to live there in this day and age. 20 miles of single-track to the nearest main road, twice as far to the nearest town, Fort William, and three-and-a-half times as far to Inverness, both via the A82, which passes through magnificent scenery but is a busy road, especially in the summer months.
And as for the climate - it is pretty much the wettest part of Scotland. Then there are of course the midges.
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I see some”sheepfolds” on those maps Forfarian. :)
Yes.
You can just about make out the dyke round the infield at Bunchaolie on the satellite view.
Beautiful country.
Yes, but I personally wouldn't want to live there in this day and age. 20 miles of single-track to the nearest main road, twice as far to the nearest town, Fort William, and three-and-a-half times as far to Inverness, both via the A82, which passes through magnificent scenery but is a busy road, especially in the summer months.
And as for the climate - it is pretty much the wettest part of Scotland. Then there are of course the midges.
You hadn’t put me off till you mentioned midges. ;D
John and family must have had a hard life.
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I see some”sheepfolds” on those maps Forfarian. :)
Yes.
You can just about make out the dyke round the infield at Bunchaolie on the satellite view.
Beautiful country.
Yes, but I personally wouldn't want to live there in this day and age. 20 miles of single-track to the nearest main road, twice as far to the nearest town, Fort William, and three-and-a-half times as far to Inverness, both via the A82, which passes through magnificent scenery but is a busy road, especially in the summer months.
And as for the climate - it is pretty much the wettest part of Scotland. Then there are of course the midges.
You hadn’t put me off till you mentioned midges. ;D
John and family must have had a hard life.
You would soon get used to it just take plenty Antihistamine creams ;D ;D
Rosie
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You would soon get used to it just take plenty Antihistamine creams ;D ;D
You never get used to it. I speak from experience.
Antihistamine cream helps with the itching after you've been bitten, but it doesn't stop them biting in the first place.
There are dozens of supposed midge repellents on the market, but none of them are really effective.
Fortunately midges don't like sunshine or wind. They only emerge in dull to dark, still, damp weather.
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You would soon get used to it just take plenty Antihistamine creams ;D ;D
You never get used to it. I speak from experience.
Antihistamine cream helps with the itching after you've been bitten, but it doesn't stop them biting in the first place.
There are dozens of supposed midge repellents on the market, but none of them are really effective.
Fortunately midges don't like sunshine or wind. They only emerge in dull to dark, still, damp weather.
It was meant as a joke ;D.. I myself know what like it is to be bitten by these midges and my bites becoming infected ..very wet here in the we coast so plenty about ;D ;D
Rosie
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Rain and midges are two of the reasons why I moved back from the west coast to the east coast! :)
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Rain and midges are two of the reasons why I moved back from the west coast to the east coast! :)
That's strange I came from the East Coast to the West Coast been here to long to move now ;)