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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: Shrop63 on Sunday 29 May 22 11:49 BST (UK)
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Hi folks, trying to find a marriage of Miles Watkiss or Wadkiss to Mary. They had 5 children, Mary 1821, Miles 1823 and Eliz, William and John, all Dawley Magna. Cant find any record from around 1820. Thanks in advance.
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Miles Watkiss married Mary Ellis 19 July 1807 in Wrockwardine. Witnesses were Thomas Ellis and John Houlston (he witnessed many weddings si is probably a Parish Clerk).
I have also found baptisms in Dawley Magna for Emmah 1808, Drusillah 1809 and Elizabeth 1812
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Miles Watkiss married Mary Ellis 19 July 1807 in Wrockwardine. Witnesses were Thomas Ellis and John Houlston (he witnessed many weddings si is probably a Parish Clerk).
I have also found baptisms in Dawley Magna for Emmah 1808, Drusillah 1809 and Elizabeth 1812
Somethings not right here tho. Mary would have been born around 1785 which would make her 48 when Elizabeth was born?
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Can I suggest that you do your sums again.
If Mary was born c1785 and Elizabeth was born 1812 then Mary would have been 27 at the time of Elizabeth's birth. She would only have been 38 in 1823 when son Miles was born.
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Can I suggest that you do your sums again.
If Mary was born c1785 and Elizabeth was born 1812 then Mary would have been 27 at the time of Elizabeth's birth. She would only have been 38 in 1823 when son Miles was born.
No, the Elizabeth born in 1833.
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The 1833 looks as if it's definitely Miles and Mary's daughter as it's the same residence, Rock, and occupation of Miles. Also, it is entirely possible for Mary to have a child at 47-48.
Do you have death/burial dates for Miles and Mary?
Gadget
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Is this the family in 1841
Rock, Wellngton HO107/907/5/39/25
Mary, 54 (widow but struck out)
Miles, 17, collier
John, 14, do
Willaim, 11, do
Eliza, 7
Gadget
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Miles Watkiss was buried on 4th Jan 1835, Wellington
His residence was Rock and he's aged 40.
I'd think that the 1810 marriage looks likely.
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Is this the family in 1841
Rock, Wellngton HO107/907/5/39/25
Mary, 54 (widow but struck out)
Miles, 17, collier
John, 14, do
Willaim, 11, do
Eliza, 7
Gadget
What is the struck out?
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Widow is written in the occupation column and has been struck out. Possibly because it should not be entered there.
See attached.
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Have you considered this Mary in the 1851
Machin Street, Kingswinford, Stourbridge
HO107/2036/855/23
William Hayward, 34, coal miner , b. Dawley
Rebecca, wife, 33, b. do
Ellen, d, 11, b. do
Emma, d, 9, b.Staffordshire
Mary Watkiss, visitor, widow, 63, b. Dawley
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William Hayward m Rebecca Watkiss on 1 April 1839 at Wrockwardine.
Rebecca's father is given as Miles Watkiss
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The baptism in 1833 is for an Eliza (not Elizabeth).
Following on from the baptisms given by Gadget i.e. Emmah 1808, Drusillah 1809, Elizabeth 1812 we then have Ellen 1814, Rebecca bc.1817 who married William Hayward (can't find baptism), Leah 1819, followed by Mary 1821, Miles 1823, John 1826, William 1829 and Eliza 1833, so 11 children in all.
Annette
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Miles Watkiss was buried on 4th Jan 1835, Wellington
His residence was Rock and he's aged 40.
I'd think that the 1810 marriage looks likely.
But this means he was born in 1795?
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Baptism
Miles Wadkiss 23 October 1785 Dawley Magna parents Thomas and Mary
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Miles Watkiss was buried on 4th Jan 1835, Wellington
His residence was Rock and he's aged 40.
I'd think that the 1810 marriage looks likely.
But this means he was born in 1795?
I did correct but seems to have disappeared or line went down. He was 50 when he died.
PS - no Thank Yous to any of us!
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What might be of interest is the burial entry. His surname was first written as Ellis and then amended to Watkiss. I think that is further evidence that the 1807 marriage is correct.
Miles Watkiss married Mary Ellis 19 July 1807 in Wrockwardine.
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Have you considered this Mary in the 1851
Machin Street, Kingswinford, Stourbridge
HO107/2036/855/23
William Hayward, 34, coal miner , b. Dawley
Rebecca, wife, 33, b. do
Ellen, d, 11, b. do
Emma, d, 9, b.Staffordshire
Mary Watkiss, visitor, widow, 63, b. Dawley
Thats a good shout, thanks. Pretty sure this is the Mary born Mary Ellis in1789 to John and Catherine.
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Given her age is given as 63 on the 1851, this is the most likely baptism
Wellington 12 April 1789
Mary d of John and Catherine Ellis
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The reason i,m trying to find Miles is thus: Joseph Vaughan married Margaret Ellis 1805, it was signed as witness by Miles Wadkiss. The only one of age i can see is the one born in 1786. Margaret had a brother, John who married Catherine. In 1841, Catherine lived next door to Miles,s sons before they married
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Why marry in Wrockwardine? Miles from Dawley. (No pun intended)
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The reason i,m trying to find Miles is thus: Joseph Vaughan married Margaret Ellis 1805, it was signed as witness by Miles Wadkiss. The only one of age i can see is the one born in 1786. Margaret had a brother, John who married Catherine. In 1841, Catherine lived next door to Miles,s sons before they married
It was 1807 according to the parish register
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The reason i,m trying to find Miles is thus: Joseph Vaughan married Margaret Ellis 1805, it was signed as witness by Miles Wadkiss. The only one of age i can see is the one born in 1786. Margaret had a brother, John who married Catherine. In 1841, Catherine lived next door to Miles,s sons before they married
I was 1807 according to the parish register
Ok same yr as Miles and Mary. Can anyone see the marriage cert of Miles/Mary? Witness might be interesting?
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The signatures look different,
1 is as a a witness
2 is as groom
Add - unless Miles was practicing different writing styles
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Unless Miles was practicing different writing styles as only the first letters (capitals) are different
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Can anyone see the marriage cert of Miles/Mary? Witness might be interesting?
Miles Watkiss married Mary Ellis 19 July 1807 in Wrockwardine. Witnesses were Thomas Ellis and John Houlston (he witnessed many weddings si is probably a Parish Clerk).
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Unless Miles was practicing different writing styles as only the first letters (capitals) are different
Could he write? That would be unusual for the time. Yes thanks Emeltom for that. Think Thomas would be Marys uncle and i,m 95% sure my GFX5
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Thomas Ellis baptised 1 January 1792 Wellington All Saints. Parents John and Catherine. Looks like he is Mary's brother.
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Thomas Ellis baptised 1 January 1792 Wellington All Saints. Parents John and Catherine. Looks like he is Mary's brother.
Yep i guess it could be him. Two doors away from Catherine, and next door to Watkiss was Carter. Rachel (Parton) married Joseph Carter in 1799. My GFX5 Thomas married Mary Parton. Just too many coincidences going on
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Just to say that Miles' signatures were definitely his. He did not make his mark on either as you can see on his marriage to Mary and the witness to Margaret's marriage.
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Thomas Ellis baptised 1 January 1792 Wellington All Saints. Parents John and Catherine. Looks like he is Mary's brother.
Yep i guess it could be him. Two doors away from Catherine, and next door to Watkiss was Carter. Rachel (Parton) married Joseph Carter in 1799. My GFX5 Thomas married Mary Parton. Just too many coincidences going on
Rachel turns out to be Mary Partons sister