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General => Ancestral Family Tree DNA Testing => Topic started by: brigidmac on Thursday 02 June 22 23:17 BST (UK)
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Joyce 1931-2020 WOOLNOUGH
+ Derek WRIGHT 1930 Bolton.lancs d .2022
This amazing couple ran A BARNADOS CHILDREN S home from the 1950s
They lived in Chatham Kent but married in Blackpool
I'm going to try and find more about the home and whether there are any articles about the couple or the cared for children
Derek Wright son of Mary Elizabeth CORNTHWAITE 1902 came from a recomposed family + didn't know his birth father .
I was pleased to find that he came from a family that had fostered relatives and non blood relatives for several generations
and that some of the research into his relatives was from adoptees who have researched their non biological family assiduously.
I'm sure Joyce's story will be just as interesting the couple had one daughter Lyn who was an adopter but unfortunately passed away in her 50s
Moderator comment: edited to reflect comments in reply #8
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Hope you find more info:
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One from me :D :D
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wonderful touch ups thank you .
I * have shared this link with their remaining close relatives
.we didnt manage a 3 way face time conversation today
but Dereks sister in Australia has given me more details about his early life .
* Quote from her email
Part 1
parents Elizabet CORNTHWAITE m Samuel WRIGHT Cameron St Astley Bridge Bolton Lancs.
Derek was first born child
Mary + Sam had bicycle accident ,
as a result of which Sam became ill and died when Derek was only 2& their daughter 4 mths
His grandma Emma CORNTHWAITE nee ROBERTS from Mold Flintshire known as Moma practically raised the children as mother Mary had to work .
Derek in royal Navy from age 17-25
went to work in child care srarting Birmingham ,various local council homes including Market Harbourough
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Part 2 #copiecd and pasted from his younger sisters email
" ...homes including Market Harborough, after which they went on to run as heads at
a number of homes in Lancashire.
In 1971 Derek got a job as a manager in
the West Midlands office of Dr Barnado's homes. He was responsible for
all the homes in a huge area encompassing the Midlands, Leicestershire,
Derbyshire, Shropshire, etc
He didn't actually run a home for the
organisation but grew into senior management. When he retired at 56
(nice and early) he then went on to lecture on child care and The Child Act at a college in Worcestershire, ending his career when he was just turned 60.
Joyce was working in clerical work and managed a shop in
Stourbridge market. They were wonderful house parents and were very
highly regarded.
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And here's the link to Derek's ancestors and success linking the descendants who have DNA tested on Ancestry
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=836614.msg7321993
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Are you looking for any specific information regarding this couple?
Is this your family Brigid? If not, do you have permission from the family to post details about, and photos of, them on this public forum? They are both very recently deceased. I’m afraid I wouldn’t be happy if these were my parents. :-\
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ONLY child deceased .
(Aus half sister has DNA tested + a first cousin )
derek is the 93 year old mentioned in reply 4 of the link supplied
They + Eden/ Jones branch( mr T )are mums second cousins
Id been helping Derek for about 2 years via his grandaughter to know more about his origins .
Descendant s of Mary Cornthwaite- Wright Brown s later marriage including their new dna have been sent links to this topic
There are no other relatives from his side .
I d like to know about the homes they ran in the late 1950s particularly
And if there was a mother baby unit attached to any of them
He's more eminent than I thought so there must be news articles from his promotions etc.
The DNA match with father unknown hopes to see more photos of his cousins uncles and aunts for family resemblance
Since last night they are all now in contact via email . Facebook and future zooms
There's another branch of even closer matches that we are trying to contact
will ask moderator to remove any sentences any FAMILY member object to.
Thanks for pm. Tomkin
Btw japeflakes I think black and white was a good idea .
I chose sepia for history film clips often ...have my own semi pro film director !
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There are mistakes in first post
I've asked moderator s to change a sentence
Also it should say
I was pleased
Not
He was pleased .
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Joyce is related by marriage so I don't have her family on my tree but I'd love to know more about her work and achievements too .
I wish I'd known them both .
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Some more details from Australia
- Joyce was from Chatham, Kent, born 15 June 1931. She had one
brother, Brian, who is now deceased and was younger than Joyce. Their
surname was Woolnough. Mother: May, father: Percy. Both parents were
from huge families of 13 children!
The family treewas sent to Joyce when she inherited from a cousin who died without family so Joyce and the other cousins shared his estate. The solicitor sent the family tree to joyce .grandaughter may have it
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From sister in Australia
"Derek and B's father, Sam Wright, our
mother's first husband, died in 1932 when Derek was 2 and B 4 months old.
Derek and Joyce married in Chatham, Kent where Joyce came from and Derek
was in the Royal Navy base there - 1951.
Lynn was 63 when she died, poor lamb."
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Some more details about the Welsh family ancestors
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=813834.msg7295020#msg7295020
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Brigid, this is the Photo board. You’ve had your photo restored. I’m not sure that it’s appropriate, necessary, or of interest, to continue to post personal identifiable details about this family on this public forum.
From this stickied thread:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=142443.msg744449#msg744449
Quote from Berlin Bob:
Firstly, anything posted on the internet is in the public domain. Anybody can see this information - including unscrupulous types. To protect people and their identities we do not encourage the posting of information about people who are or maybe still living.
Even with permission from the subject of a post we would seriously advise against giving too much information as to betray their identity.
The Rootschat moderators reserve the right to delete or edit posts that we believe may contain information that could be misused to the detriment of the subject.
Secondly, if information is given about living people or of the recently deceased and this is found by them or their close relatives there is a risk of upset and trauma.
So please be prudent in the information you post.
I don’t wish to spoil your fun, but you might like to consider the above.
Have you thought about doing a website or blog along the lines of https://chiddicksfamilytree.com/? It would still be advisable/essential to get permission from all family members prior to doing so.
Not sure if you are doing the right thing here ….. :-\
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Deleted no point in commenting to an individual who is not family and not helping.
My wording may have sounded sarcastic ..sorry
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I was a bit panicked by some comments
Have staved off a panic attack and would like to explain a miscommunication
I was told Derek didn't know his father and must have jumped to conclusion or mis understood wording
I thought that he didn't know who is father was which would have been a challenging task without DNA.
But he didn't KNOW his father because he was 2 when he died .
I enjoyed linking Derek to my great grandfather s sister Dorcas Jones and we knew lots about her history through mums cousin Olive whose mother died soon after birth OLIVE RIP brought up by grandparents and researched trees ...and organised cousin parties from 1980- 2000...welcoming new half steps and spouses
Which region should this topic be on ?
Link to Welsh history
Family lore + Olives research
: 15 year old Dorcas ran away with farmhand was disowned by father had no children for 10 years then 10 children in quick succession
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Moved to the 'England' board as requested as there seem to be multiple locations involved.
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Ruskie not sure you are doing right thing posting on thread when it could be in pm 😜
Read reply 12 + 14
I've asked moderator to transfer to a local board
The family want to know more and find more pics .
Can’t you do that via private email contact?
Do not understand the relevance of advising me to read replies 12 and 14. I have read them. :)
I’m bowing out now as I feel I’m wasting my time and going round in circles.
PS. What I’ve said is not private so I didn’t feel the need to say it via PM.
*amendments made after a request by the OP (which may change relevance of replies which follow).
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Thanks daawnish
Rudkie The photo board is also for dating photos and investigating them .
In future if people search Derek OR Joyce WRIGHT they will find this topic .
Dereks daughter agrees that above comments are making assumptions
& Spoil topic
when we join dots with the other DNA matches .
* Redacted topic too long
" I've now asked moderator to transfer to DNA forum
3)We don't have contact for one set of relatives yet so can't use email or other
4)"you haven’t asked for help with anything "
I DID ASK had to word diplomatically because involves living person nor n between 1955 and 1965
Some reading between lines is required
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How many times did I post this message !
No wonder posts or PM's sound incoherent
But I am also having problems seeing and focussing and rushing to do other things
The photo board is also for dating photos .
In future if people search Derek and Joyce they will find this topic . But I think the family will understand and be tolerant of grammar spelling or non linear thought .
If anyone has any suggestions for improved wording do let me know in pm so the post doesn't become to long .
We Don't have contact for one set of relatives yet
"you haven’t asked for help with anything "
I asked about children's homes
and had to word diplomatically because involves living person nor n between 1955 and 1965
Some reading between lines is requiired
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I have requested transfer to DNA board as that links more to the other underlying queries
ruskies & my definition of what rootschat is for ...differs
& I do not describe them as " this poor family "
Rootschat has many purposes and some of us usr certain. Forumd more than others this particular story is a combination of tree building finding in depth details if a couple's life sharing photos and contacting an identified cousin of Derek and his family
Am I being oversensitive.?.i am sad that the cousin was identified before Derek's death but we have been unable to contact any of them.
It think it's disrespectful to have a technical ethical discussion on derek and joyces topic . So will delete or shorten this post tomorrow .
If I'm expressing myself badly sometimes lack of punctuation change sense .hard to see on mobile phone
I have visual problems and technophobia & appreciate everyone's patience
I am overcoming healtn problems to become a time travel detective + must be doing something right because have had a legacy towards my costs to help other NPE descendants.
I will delete this post when I have reassurance that it is not me that 'does not get it " or a gentler clearer personal explanation of what is wrong none of us (Derek's relatives) want to read long posts for diverse reasons which I won't reveal and shouldnt have to justify
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The family facetime reunion did not occur due to my illness but the ones who know each other but are distant and the new relative can friend each other on Facebook and have email and phone contact
I look forward to calling Australia..putting a voice to a face is special .
The JONES in DUBAI branch with grandad ( Derek's cousin) in UK will eventually get notification from Ancestry . Facebook or word of mouth .and they will have a ready made tree ! The grandaughters are very lucky ...to have exciting female relatives descending from Dorcas JONES 1847 who ran off with James ROBERTS.+ Had 15 children
Another distant DNA match lives in llanorman and has checked graveyard details I have for Abiah Roger JONES & is now investigating their mother Rebecca THOMAS 1825
Rebecca is at the top of my tree and likely where the connection is from.with these Welsh names it's really slow going verifying identity .