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Title: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Monday 27 June 22 14:53 BST (UK)
Hi All,

I'm looking for more information about my 3xGGrandparents Archibald Kennedy and Jane (aka Mary Jane) Farrell.

I have a transcript of their marriage on 11 Dec 1866 at St Gregory's, Queanbeyan, NSW.

Neither party has Father, Mother, Place of Birth, Age or Father's occupation listed in the transcript, unfortunately.

James Farrell gives his consent for Jane as she is under 21 at the time, so I estimate her birth year to be somewhere between 1845-1850. James is listed as a Wood-carter, and Jane's usual residence is Wagga Wagga. It's not stated that he's her father, but I imagine he probably is, or could he be an older brother, uncle, or cousin?

Archibald's residence is Bungendore and he's a labourer (later listed in another record as a 'Hawker').

They go on to have at least 12 children, some of whom die as infants and another at age 12 :-(

I came across some newspaper entries where Archibald is wanted by the police for deserting his wife Jane, and then later a notice of divorce by Jane.

Their daughter Ellen Kennedy b. c1875 is my GGGrandmother, who dies young, in 1902, miscarrying her second child. She is married to Thomas Wade b. c1875 (about whom I know next to nothing also. I will post separately for him.)

Any information on the origins of Archibald and Jane - their parents, birthplaces, siblings etc. - would be much appreciated!

Kind regards :)

Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 June 22 15:09 BST (UK)
There are 8 births in various parts of Scotland between 1840 & 1845 for an Archibald Kennedy - he may have emigrated to Australia

With so little info it's difficult to say.  Have you considered DNA?
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Monday 27 June 22 15:14 BST (UK)
There are 8 births in various parts of Scotland between 1840 & 1845 for an Archibald Kennedy - he may have emigrated to Australia

With so little info it's difficult to say.  Have you considered DNA?

Hm, he may have and yes I agree, it's very difficult to say! I'm hoping someone who may also be connected to these families may know more, or someone with access to more records can shed some light.
 
I have considered DNA... perhaps when funds allow I'll go down that road.
I expect to find I'm very much English, Irish, Scottish and Welsh, but who knows what surprises there may be in the mix!
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 June 22 15:23 BST (UK)
Have you checked whether anybody has a tree on Ancestry for this family
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 June 22 15:27 BST (UK)
Just checked - yes there is one & it has him b Antrim Ireland 1842 father John mother Elizabeth nee Laverty

He died 20.12.1903 Narrabri NSW

Tree has a ship manifest showing the Kennedy family arriving NSW 28.4.1855??
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Monday 27 June 22 15:59 BST (UK)
Just checked - yes there is one & it has him b Antrim Ireland 1842 father John mother Elizabeth nee Laverty

He died 20.12.1903 Narrabri NSW

Thanks Carole! Yes I saw that there are a couple of trees on Ancestry with him and Jane Farrell, however I don't have full access at the moment and was going to see if I could look them up at the library when next I go.
 
There was another Archibald J(oseph?) Kennedy around Mudgee and Narrabri, who's not my ancestor, and the above could be him instead...

However, I think you're right! All the other bits seem to line up, now that I've looked at John and Elizabeth's gravestone in Bungendore... right next to it, is a memorial I knew about for MY Archibald and Mary Jane's deceased infants/child.

On that memorial plaque, is also mention of a Thomas and Elizabeth's deceased 15 year old son Archibald b.1854 d.1869.
On my Archibald and Jane's marriage transcript, the witness is a Thomas Kennedy, and I had thought perhaps a brother.

I don't know what Archibald is then doing all the way out at Narrabri at the time of his death, but the find-a-grave site lists him, Thomas, a James and a Margaret as all children from John and Elizabeth from County Antrim, Ireland!

Thank you very much for your help!
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Monday 27 June 22 16:10 BST (UK)

I don't know what Archibald is then doing all the way out at Narrabri at the time of his death, but the find-a-grave site lists him, Thomas, a James and a Margaret as all children from John and Elizabeth from County Antrim, Ireland!


Now I understand - his sister Margaret and her husband William Fitzgerald live at Narrabri and are also buried there. It's starting to fit together. Thanks again.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 June 22 16:11 BST (UK)
You are welcome😄
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Monday 27 June 22 16:23 BST (UK)
Now to find out about Jane Farrell...
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 June 22 17:04 BST (UK)
From the same tree - but I have a couple of "doubts"

Mary Jane Farrell b 6.5.1850 Melbourne.  Parents Bridget & James

Remarried to William J Davis in 1896 & died aged 75 in Sydney on 6.7.1925

If Archibald only died in 1903 - did they divorce??  If not - 1896 marriage was bigamous unless she had him declared dead after 7yrs in desertion??

Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Monday 27 June 22 17:16 BST (UK)
From the same tree - but I have a couple of "doubts"

Mary Jane Farrell b 6.5.1850 Melbourne.  Parents Bridget & James

Remarried to William J Davis in 1896 & died aged 75 in Sydney on 6.7.1925

If Archibald only died in 1903 - did they divorce??  If not - 1896 marriage was bigamous unless she had him declared dead after 7yrs in desertion??

Well, I haven't found an actual record of divorce, but I did come across two newspaper snippets relating to this.

The first in 1890 about a warrant at Captain's Flat (the right area) for Archibald's arrest for desserting his wife Jane with no means of supporting herself.

The second was a notice in the Sydney Morning Herald, in 1895, of Jane's petition to divorce Archibald on the grounds of desertion, so I believe she did divorce him.

But I hadn't found a remarriage, so that's interesting!
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 June 22 17:32 BST (UK)
That's great - at least it's progress!!
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 June 22 17:41 BST (UK)
The remarriage cert is on that tree

13.7.1896 - Jane Mary Farrell - unmarried - 38 - housekeeper.  Parents James Farrell & Bridget Tye??

She signed as Jane Farrell

William was a 28 yr old miner - She knocked quite a few years off her age!!  She was 46 when they married.  Wonder how she explained her children's ages??

Marriage ref is 4355/1896
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Monday 27 June 22 17:54 BST (UK)
The remarriage cert is on that tree

13.7.1896 - Jane Mary Farrell - unmarried - 38 - housekeeper.  Parents James Farrell & Bridget Tye??

She signed as Jane Farrell

William was a 28 yr old miner - She knocked quite a few years off her age!!  She was 46 when they married

Marriage ref is 4355/1896

Very interesting!!
I can't imagine looking 8 years younger after having 12 children!! She was only 16 when she married Archibald if this is all correct, but after 17 years of childbearing, I would think she'd definitely look 46, if not older.

I think it could be her though, because one of her children, her firstborn son, carries Tye as a middle name - Silvester Tye b.1870.

I'm not familiar with the divorce customs of the day though, and whether it was customary to be classed as unmarried, and go back to one's maiden name, rather than be known as divorced and marry with the previous married name...
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: cupoflife on Monday 27 June 22 22:46 BST (UK)
Worth checking?

KENNEDY Jane - KENNEDY Archibald
Divorce records Index 1873-1923
Year: 1895 | Divorce Number: 1965
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/INDEX1242621

NRS-13495-29-[13/12469]-1965 | Divorce papers Jane Kennedy - Archibald Kennedy
19-09-1895 to 12-02-1896
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/ADLIB_RNSW113087294

The divorce papers often contain the marriage certificate and other valuable information, kids etc. If you are unable to visit NSW archives, may be worth asking Rosball to kindly copy the divorce file the next time she visits the archives.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=703011.0
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: Dundee on Monday 27 June 22 23:38 BST (UK)

I have a transcript of their marriage on 11 Dec 1866 at St Gregory's, Queanbeyan, NSW.

Neither party has Father, Mother, Place of Birth, Age or Father's occupation listed in the transcript, unfortunately.


You can obtain details from the marriage register directly from St Gregory's which should have the missing parental information.  There is a fairly hefty fee.

https://www.stgregsqueanbeyan.com/copy-of-baptism

Debra  :)
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: Neale1961 on Monday 27 June 22 23:44 BST (UK)
13.7.1896 - Jane Mary Farrell - unmarried - 38 - housekeeper.  Parents James Farrell & Bridget Tye??

I believe the mother's name is probably Bridget TIGHE

There is the marriage of James FARRELL to Bridget TEIGH in Victoria in 1849.
On the birth regos of children her name is spelled most often as TIGHE and also as TAIGE

A Bridget TIGHE arrived in NSW in 1848 onboard “Lady Kennaway”. She was a 16 yr old housemaid from Mayo.

_________________
Convict indent “St Vincent” 1837
37-169     James FARRELL, 17, can read, Rom Cath., single, from City of Dublin, Labourer, Picking pockets - sentence 7 yrs
Ticket of leave – 13 June 1842



Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Tuesday 28 June 22 01:13 BST (UK)
Worth checking?

KENNEDY Jane - KENNEDY Archibald
Divorce records Index 1873-1923
Year: 1895 | Divorce Number: 1965
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/INDEX1242621

NRS-13495-29-[13/12469]-1965 | Divorce papers Jane Kennedy - Archibald Kennedy
19-09-1895 to 12-02-1896
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/ADLIB_RNSW113087294

The divorce papers often contain the marriage certificate and other valuable information, kids etc. If you are unable to visit NSW archives, may be worth asking Rosball to kindly copy the divorce file the next time she visits the archives.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=703011.0

Thank you! That would be a good resource to check. I was ask Ros, thank you for the links :)
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Tuesday 28 June 22 01:18 BST (UK)

You can obtain details from the marriage register directly from St Gregory's which should have the missing parental information.  There is a fairly hefty fee.

https://www.stgregsqueanbeyan.com/copy-of-baptism

Debra  :)

Thanks Debra, I appreciate that info. I'll see what I can find - if and when funds allow  ;)
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Tuesday 28 June 22 01:20 BST (UK)
13.7.1896 - Jane Mary Farrell - unmarried - 38 - housekeeper.  Parents James Farrell & Bridget Tye??

I believe the mother's name is probably Bridget TIGHE

There is the marriage of James FARRELL to Bridget TEIGH in Victoria in 1849.
On the birth regos of children her name is spelled most often as TIGHE and also as TAIGE

A Bridget TIGHE arrived in NSW in 1848 onboard “Lady Kennaway”. She was a 16 yr old housemaid from Mayo.

_________________
Convict indent “St Vincent” 1837
37-169     James FARRELL, 17, can read, Rom Cath., single, from City of Dublin, Labourer, Picking pockets - sentence 7 yrs
Ticket of leave – 13 June 1842

Ah, yes when I saw the Sylvester Tye, I had thought, if they're Irish, it's probably Tighe and wondered if it was a family name, possibly his mother... I filed away in my mind to search for various Tighes/Tyes etc, so thank you for that record, that'll be good to follow that up! Much appreciated!
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Tuesday 28 June 22 01:59 BST (UK)
The remarriage cert is on that tree

13.7.1896 - Jane Mary Farrell - unmarried - 38 - housekeeper.  Parents James Farrell & Bridget Tye??

She signed as Jane Farrell

William was a 28 yr old miner - She knocked quite a few years off her age!!  She was 46 when they married.  Wonder how she explained her children's ages??

Marriage ref is 4355/1896

I just noticed some other supporting info, over on my other post about Olive Wade's father Thomas here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=863487 (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=863487) - that at Olive's birth, her mother, Ellen Kennedy, has a "Mrs Davis" present. That hadn't previously meant anything to me, but now I think it was most likely her mother, Jane Davis.

She's probably not the one who takes on Olive after Ellen dies though.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: cupoflife on Tuesday 28 June 22 04:10 BST (UK)
Funeral notice: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16213665
DAVIS.—The Friends of Mr and Mrs SYL KENNEDY (of Wyalong), Mr and Mrs  CHANTLER (of city), Mr. and Mrs. J. BROWN (of Rozelle), Mr. and Mrs. W. STUBBS (of Annandale), Mr and Mrs T. HICKEY (of Captain's Flat) and FAMILIES are invited to attend the Funeral of their late loved MOTHFR and GRANDMOTHER, Mrs. Jane Davis to leave 100 Abercrombie-street, city, THIS AFTERNOON, at 1 o'clock, for Catholic Cemetery, Rookwood.

https://catholiccemeteries.com.au/deceased-search/
https://cmct.byond.cloud/locationimage/ROK/13100931/IMG_3684.JPG
Jane DAVIS
Age: 75
Register Number: 22108270
Service Date: 07 Jul 1925
Burial Type: Buried
Location: Section Grave, Mortuary 2, 3, Grave 685
Also: Oliver[sic] Veronica WALLER
Age: 83
Date of death: 08 Jul 1980; Service Date: 11 Jul 1980
Register Number: 22108271
Burial Type: Buried
Location: Section Grave, Mortuary 2, 3, Grave 685
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Tuesday 28 June 22 04:39 BST (UK)
Funeral notice: https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/16213665
DAVIS.—The Friends of Mr and Mrs SYL KENNEDY (of Wyalong), Mr and Mrs  CHANTLER (of city), Mr. and Mrs. J. BROWN (of Rozelle), Mr. and Mrs. W. STUBBS (of Annandale), Mr and Mrs T. HICKEY (of Captain's Flat) and FAMILIES are invited to attend the Funeral of their late loved MOTHFR and GRANDMOTHER, Mrs. Jane Davis to leave 100 Abercrombie-street, city, THIS AFTERNOON, at 1 o'clock, for Catholic Cemetery, Rookwood.

https://catholiccemeteries.com.au/deceased-search/
https://cmct.byond.cloud/locationimage/ROK/13100931/IMG_3684.JPG
Jane DAVIS
Age: 75
Register Number: 22108270
Service Date: 07 Jul 1925
Burial Type: Buried
Location: Section Grave, Mortuary 2, 3, Grave 685
Also: Oliver Veronica WALLER
Age: 83
Date of death: 08 Jul 1980; Service Date: 11 Jul 1980
Register Number: 22108271
Burial Type: Buried
Location: Section Grave, Mortuary 2, 3, Grave 685

Ah there we are. That's definitely her.
Syl Kennedy is either her son Sylvester Tye/Tighe or HIS son Sylvester.
Mr & Mrs Chantler are most likely her eldest daughter Adella/Addella & husband or their son Richard.
Mr & Mrs W. Stubbs would be one of her younger daughters Ethel & William Stubbs.
The Hickeys are most likely her daughter Bridget & Thomas, or their son Thomas...
I don't know who Mrs J. Brown is, but most likely a granddaughter...

Thank you for this!
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Friday 01 July 22 04:28 BST (UK)
Death registration for Ellen WADE nee Kennedy:

Name - Ellen WADE
Date of Death - 20 Oct 1902
Place - Lewisham Hospital, Petersham; Late of 56 Wells Street Annandale NSW
Occupation - Home duties
Sex - Female
Age - 26
Conjugal Status - N/A
Place of Birth - Bungendore NSW
Time in Aust. Colonies - N/A

Father - Archibald Kennedy
Occupation - Hawker
Mother - Mary Jane Farrell

Place of Marriage - Sydney
Age at Marriage - 20
Name of Spouse - Thomas Wade
Children of marriage - Olive 5, living. None deceased.

Informant - Thomas Hickey, Brother-in-law, 189 Young Street, Annandale

Cause of Death - Miscarriage and septicaemia, syncope
Length of Illness - 9 weeks
Medical Attendant - J B McIlroy

Date of Burial - 21 Oct 1902
Place of Burial -  RC Cemetery Rookwood
Undertaker - J Crockett Junr & Co
Witnesses - Fredk C S Frost, J E Allan


From this I was able to find one of Ellen's younger sisters, Bridget, had married a Thomas Hickey in 1890, and three of their possible children but haven't looked too far into that line.

I have a list of probable Kennedy children of Archibald and (Mary) Jane's from the BDM index.
You can see from other posts in this topic that Jane's father was James FARRELL from their Marriage cert and we believe her mother was Bridget Tye/Tighe (and various other spellings) which would lend support to Sylvester Tye and Bridget being two of Jane's children. Also that Jane divorces Archie and remarries William J Davis.

We now know that Jane DAVIS takes care of her granddaughter Olive WADE from about 1903-5 (from Neale's link https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/231843800?searchTerm (https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/231843800?searchTerm) ) so I'm now looking further into this line.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Friday 01 July 22 04:33 BST (UK)

I just noticed some other supporting info, over on my other post about Olive Wade's father Thomas here: https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=863487 (https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=863487) - that at Olive's birth, her mother, Ellen Kennedy, has a "Mrs Davis" present. That hadn't previously meant anything to me, but now I think it was most likely her mother, Jane Davis.

She's probably not the one who takes on Olive after Ellen dies though.

Well I was wrong about that! She IS the one who takes on Olive, so am now looking further into that.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: Neale1961 on Friday 01 July 22 07:57 BST (UK)
Archibald Kennedy Horse Stealing1861
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/30631700?searchTerm=

Sheep Stealing 1868
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/30577634?searchTerm=

I can see another conviction for an Archibald Kennedy - yet to be known if it is the same man.
Nov 1889 Orange - maliciously wounding.
I think it may be a different man.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/251902050?searchTerm=

Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: Neale1961 on Friday 01 July 22 08:25 BST (UK)
Archibald Kennedy deserted his wife in 1888.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/247675322?searchTerm=

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/251637422?searchTerm=

Arrested 1890
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/102825407?searchTerm=

Divorce filed 1895
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/224302641?searchTerm=

When her grand daughter was deserted, Jane knew what to do from her own experience.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: wivenhoe on Friday 01 July 22 08:37 BST (UK)


"On my Archibald and Jane's marriage transcript, the witness is a Thomas Kennedy"

Is there only one witness?....usually two?
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: Neale1961 on Friday 01 July 22 09:44 BST (UK)
Did Jane Kennedy run a pub?
There is publican’s licence issued May 1895 to a Jane Kennedy for the Napoleon Hotel in Kensington St, Sydney.
Not sure if this is YOUR Jane.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: wivenhoe on Friday 01 July 22 09:53 BST (UK)
 Looks like the right family -

The Daily Telegraph 24 Jan 1894  p6
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/236096466?

THEFT FROM A HOTEL.—At the Central Court yesterday, John HICKEY (38) was
charged with stealing a tomahawk, three coats, and various other articles, value £3,
the property of James KENNEDY, who is employed as barman at the Napoleon Hotel,
Kensington-street. He was sentenced to three months, with hard labor.


Added -

6 Nov 1894 p1
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/236120325?
FARRELL.— November 5, at his residence, 34 Bay-st, James FARRELL, aged 74 years; father of Mrs. KENNEDY, of Napoleon Hotel, Kensington-st., Sydney.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: Neale1961 on Friday 01 July 22 23:27 BST (UK)
MARRIAGE; 13 July 1896;  57 Phillip Street Sydney; Methodist Episcopal Church
William Joseph DAVIS – 28 - bachelor – born Queanbeyan – miner – residence Sydney – parents: Alexander Davis (miner) & Ellen McNamara (dec).
Jane Mary FARRELL – 38 – unmarried – born Melbourne – housekeeper – residence Sydney – parents: James Farrell (labourer, dec) & Bridget Tye.

Both were lying about their age. He was born 1873 , so actually 23 at marriage. She was born 1850, so actually 46 at marriage.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: Neale1961 on Friday 01 July 22 23:58 BST (UK)
The two families (as far as I can find)

Children to James FARRELL and Bridget TIGHE
•   Jane Mary 1850 VIC
•   John James 1852 – 1853 VIC
•   Mary Ann 1854 VIC
•   Catherine 1856 VIC
•   Thomas Joseph 1858 VIC
•   Bridget 1861 VIC
•   Elizabeth May 1863 NSW
•   Patrick 1864-1869 NSW
•   Joseph 1867-1869 NSW
•   James Joseph 1868 NSW
•   Joseph 1869-1872 NSW
•   Margaret 1874 NSW

Children to John KENNEDY and Elizabeth LAVERTY
•   Margaret Jane 1835 Ireland
•   Thomas 1837 Ireland
•   John Robert 1840 Ireland
•   Archibald 1841 Ireland
•   James 1843 Ireland

A number of Kennedy family graves at Bungendore Cemetery
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167688035/elizabeth-kennedy
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 02 July 22 03:46 BST (UK)
Did Jane Kennedy run a pub?
There is publican’s licence issued May 1895 to a Jane Kennedy for the Napoleon Hotel in Kensington St, Sydney.
Not sure if this is YOUR Jane.

There may have been some background in publican work.
Here is Archibald in 1885 proposing to open a hotel in Bungendore. Proposing to the court at Cooma
I wonder about his relationship with Ellen ORR whose land the proposal was for.

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/119056669
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Saturday 02 July 22 09:21 BST (UK)


"On my Archibald and Jane's marriage transcript, the witness is a Thomas Kennedy"

Is there only one witness?....usually two?

Oh, yes and Sarah Gregory is the other witness.
Thomas Kennedy just marks X.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Saturday 02 July 22 09:32 BST (UK)
Did Jane Kennedy run a pub?
There is publican’s licence issued May 1895 to a Jane Kennedy for the Napoleon Hotel in Kensington St, Sydney.
Not sure if this is YOUR Jane.

I've come across these as well, as I went looking for hotels linked with Kennedy, as I've been told Olive WADE was brought up by her grandparents who ran a hotel.

However the licence for the Napoleon was transferred from Jane Kennedy to a Daniel Kearey in 1896, before Olive was born. (not before she is involved in fines for Sunday selling, suing a Thomas Anderson for selling her water instead of rum, and being sued by the Australian Brewery and Wine and Spirit company for non-payment of goods).

If it IS my Jane, this is the same year she marries William J DAVIS.
Looks like the same Jane.
What did William & Jane Davis do then, I wonder?
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Saturday 02 July 22 09:34 BST (UK)
Looks like the right family -

The Daily Telegraph 24 Jan 1894  p6
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/236096466?

THEFT FROM A HOTEL.—At the Central Court yesterday, John HICKEY (38) was
charged with stealing a tomahawk, three coats, and various other articles, value £3,
the property of James KENNEDY, who is employed as barman at the Napoleon Hotel,
Kensington-street. He was sentenced to three months, with hard labor.


Added -

6 Nov 1894 p1
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/236120325?
FARRELL.— November 5, at his residence, 34 Bay-st, James FARRELL, aged 74 years; father of Mrs. KENNEDY, of Napoleon Hotel, Kensington-st., Sydney.

Ooh, yes this would be the right Jane Kennedy then!

Archibald had a brother James b. 1843, so perhaps he was the one employed as the barman?

(Added - Arch also had a brother Thomas, who would've been the marriage witness).
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Saturday 02 July 22 09:53 BST (UK)
The two families (as far as I can find)

Children to James FARRELL and Bridget TIGHE
•   Jane Mary 1850 VIC
•   John James 1852 – 1853 VIC
•   Mary Ann 1854 VIC
•   Catherine 1856 VIC
•   Thomas Joseph 1858 VIC
•   Bridget 1861 VIC
•   Elizabeth May 1863 NSW
•   Patrick 1864-1869 NSW
•   Joseph 1867-1869 NSW
•   James Joseph 1868 NSW
•   Joseph 1869-1872 NSW
•   Margaret 1874 NSW

Children to John KENNEDY and Elizabeth LAVERTY
•   Margaret Jane 1835 Ireland
•   Thomas 1837 Ireland
•   John Robert 1840 Ireland
•   Archibald 1841 Ireland
•   James 1843 Ireland

A number of Kennedy family graves at Bungendore Cemetery
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167688035/elizabeth-kennedy

Thank you.
I hadn't yet tracked all the Farrell children, Jane's siblings.
Also I had 4 of John & Elizabeth's Kennedy Children but not John Robert.

Margaret KENNEDY m. William FITZGERALD 1857 Goulburn.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Saturday 02 July 22 10:01 BST (UK)


Both were lying about their age. He was born 1873 , so actually 23 at marriage. She was born 1850, so actually 46 at marriage.

Oh! Yes, I knew she lied about her age - see Carole's reply #12, where she wondered about how she explained the age of her children - but I didn't realise he did as well! He was half her age. She must've had a lot of energy.

I haven't found any children of the DAVIS marriage.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Saturday 02 July 22 10:13 BST (UK)
Looks like the right family -

The Daily Telegraph 24 Jan 1894  p6
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/236096466?

THEFT FROM A HOTEL.—At the Central Court yesterday, John HICKEY (38) was
charged with stealing a tomahawk, three coats, and various other articles, value £3,
the property of James KENNEDY, who is employed as barman at the Napoleon Hotel,
Kensington-street. He was sentenced to three months, with hard labor.


Could be a co-incidence, but I wonder if this John HICKEY is any connection to Jane's son-in-law Thomas HICKEY, who marries her daughter Bridget KENNEDY in 1890.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Saturday 02 July 22 12:47 BST (UK)

A Bridget TIGHE arrived in NSW in 1848 onboard “Lady Kennaway”. She was a 16 yr old housemaid from Mayo.

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Convict indent “St Vincent” 1837
37-169     James FARRELL, 17, can read, Rom Cath., single, from City of Dublin, Labourer, Picking pockets - sentence 7 yrs
Ticket of leave – 13 June 1842

Where do I find these records please Neale?
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: Neale1961 on Saturday 02 July 22 22:29 BST (UK)
NSW Archives has the passenger list for the “Lady Kennaway” 1848
https://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5316&item=4_4816&ship=Lady%20Kennaway

Convict information is also available from NSW archives
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/primo-explore/search?query=any,contains,James%20farrell%20St%20Vincent&tab=default_tab&search_scope=Everything&vid=61SRA&offset=0

This information can also be found on Ancestry and FindMy Past.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Saturday 02 July 22 23:03 BST (UK)
NSW Archives has the passenger list for the “Ladt Kennaway” 1848
https://indexes.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.aspx?series=NRS5316&item=4_4816&ship=Lady%20Kennaway

Convict information is also available from NSW archives
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/primo-explore/search?query=any,contains,James%20farrell%20St%20Vincent&tab=default_tab&search_scope=Everything&vid=61SRA&offset=0

This information can also be found on Ancestry and FindMy Past.

Thank you kindly.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: wivenhoe on Sunday 03 July 22 03:05 BST (UK)



"I'm looking for more information about my 3xGGrandparents Archibald Kennedy and Jane (aka Mary Jane) Farrell."

Where do you see yourself being now with regard to your original objective?

I think that the death certificate for Mary Jane DAVIS, formerly KENNEDY nee FARRELL would be useful to it. It is an end of life record, made when her family are around to contribute to the information.
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: fyremoon on Sunday 03 July 22 04:09 BST (UK)



"I'm looking for more information about my 3xGGrandparents Archibald Kennedy and Jane (aka Mary Jane) Farrell."

Where do you see yourself being now with regard to your original objective?

I think that the death certificate for Mary Jane DAVIS, formerly KENNEDY nee FARRELL would be useful to it. It is an end of life record, made when her family are around to contribute to the information.

Thank you Wivenhoe, I agree, that would be very useful.

I now know so much more about this side of my family than when I posted this (and my other Thomas WADE) topic and appreciate all the information and new leads to follow!

Thank you to such interested and knowledgeable researchers :-)
Title: Re: Archibald Kennedy and (Mary) Jane Farrell
Post by: Jencoast on Tuesday 23 April 24 09:03 BST (UK)
https://enrolledpensionerforcewa.org.au/epf-profiles/f/farrell-john-21st-fusiliers/

This link may be your family. It would explain a lot!