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Please can anyone help with William Robert CLARKE or just Robert.
He was, according to his son's marriage notice, born in Pickmere.
He died in New Zealand in 1912. This put his birth c 1833.
He married (1863) in New Zealand to Georgina HATTON. But I am wondering if he was a widow and had married in England, lost his wife then came out to New Zealand.
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On what basis are you wondering that?
Sue
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Sorry, I didnt ask a question did I?
What parish would I look for a baptism/birth?
Also what area would I look for him in the 1841 census?
Michelle
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickmere
Jamjar
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Was his son born in England or New Zealand ?
When did William Robert Clarke emmigrate?
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When he married 1863 who did he say was his father?
What name did he give his son?
There are 15 or more William Clarke's in Cheshire 1841
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That marriage is too early for parents to be named.
But are they on his death certificate? (If anyone knew of course)
Added, Son’s name also William Robert
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18890603.2.6?items_per_page=10&page=2&query=Clarke+pickmere&snippet=true
What is the Melbourne connection?
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I'm confused
You say William Robert Clarke (1833) senior came to New Zealand and married 1863 died 1912
Yet his son's marriage 1889 says his father is of Pickmere Cheshire, surely if he were living in New Zealand it would say where he was living in NZ or say formerly of Pickmere Cheshire
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I presume this is the Robert Clarke who died 1912
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/BH19121128.2.37?end_date=01-12-1912&items_per_page=10&query=Clarke+Robert+&snippet=true&start_date=19-11-1912
I agree, that marriage notice does make it seem William Robert senior is still in Pickmere.
But I presume the actual marriage cert has juniors parents named and you have them in NZ?
Also odd there is no mention of family in the obit notice.
Can you please post the details (all of them) from the certificates.
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William Roberts birth?
1866/27326 Clarke William Robert Georgina Robert
Is that certificate at all helpful?
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Georgina’s death
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AG19290222.2.20?items_per_page=10&query=Clarke%2c+georgina&snippet=true
So…did she actually come separately from Ireland?
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That marriage is too early for parents to be named.
But are they on his death certificate? (If anyone knew of course)
Added, Son’s name also William Robert
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18890603.2.6?items_per_page=10&page=2&query=Clarke+pickmere&snippet=true
What is the Melbourne connection?
That notice says William Robert is the only son. Yet it is apparent from the notice for Georgina and other notices that they had many sons..
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I'm beginning to think William Robert Clarke's father never left Pickmere and the poster has confused 2 families.
The Robert Clarke married Georgina had 8 sons and 3 daughters still living that doesn't account for others who may have died?.
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Thank you to all the replies. I appreciate all the help.
William Robert #1 is the man I am looking for. Born C1833
According to his son's marriage notice in 1889.(William Robert #2). His father William Robert#1 was of Pickmere. but he was here in NZ before 1863? Would they have put Pickmere if he had been in New Zealand for more than 20 years?
This was William Robert's( #2), 1st marriage.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18890603.2.6?end_date=31-12-1889&items_per_page=100&page=2&query=clarke&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA&start_date=01-01-1889&title=TS
William Robert #1 came to NZ sometime before 1863, (time of his marriage to Georgina), which incidentally makes the Obituary for Georgina incorrect. They have a son William Robert(#2) in 1868. William Robert #2 and all his siblings were born in New Zealand.
I am doing this for a friend, she cannot afford to buy Certificates. So I am doing this a bit hogtied.
Okay, I am so confused. I can't make this make any sense.
Something is not right with this tree.
I think I will have to start her tree again from scratch.
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Okay, I am so confused. I can't make this make any sense.
Something is not right with this tree.
I think I will have to start her tree again from scratch.
There is a tree for this Clarke family on FamilySearch with quite a few sources that might be of help.
https://www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/GMHD-Y1S
Do check all records, of course. :)
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There is a William Clark age 5 in 1871 census born Tranmere Cheshire.
Living with Thomas Warrington age 79 who is his "great" grandfather.
Trouble is you would have to find all the children of Thomas Warrington and Sarah, then all their children to find who married William Clark.
Perhaps this one
William Clarke registered Birkenhead 1866 M Quarter Vol 08A page 490 with mothers maiden name Owens
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One of Thomas Warrington's daughters Martha married James Owens 1846 and they are living with Thomas Warrington 1861 along with William Clarke
So it must be one of Martha's daughters who married a Clark
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James Owens married Martha Warrington 16 February 1846
children found so far with mother's maiden name Warrington
Ann registered 1843 Wirral (they hadn't officially married yet)
James 1846 registered Wirral
Thomas 1848 registered Wirral born 28 August 1848
Jane 1850 registered Wirral
Margaret 1855 registered Wirral
All except Jane and Thomas are with their mother Martha 1871
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The Great grandson Thomas S Owens age 9 in 1871
He was registered as James Sewell Owens 1861 Birkenhead
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1861 are with their grandparent Thomas Warrington
James Owens 14
Margaret Owens 6
Ann Owens 17
Jane Owens 10
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Ann Owens married Joseph Clarke 1863 registered Wirral
1871 census
Joseph Clarke 26
Annie 27
Agnes E 6 (Agnes Eleanor)- 1864
Martha J 3 - 1867
Ada 1 - 1870
with son William 1866 with his great grand father Thomas Warrington and his grand mother Martha Owens.
If this is your William Clarke then perhaps if he always lived with them he couldn't remember his fathers correct name when he married New Zealand 1889
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Pure speculation on William Clarke. The fathers occupation is not correct. I think this has all been for nothing.
1881 census Tranmere Cheshire
Joseph Clarke 36 general labourer
Annie 37
William 15
Annie 9
Margaret 3
James 7
Joseph 8 months
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Perhaps you can follow this one:
William Clarke baptized 6 August 1865 Holy Trinity Cheshire parents William Clarke and Jane.
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The 1889 Marriage in NZ to Emma Cotton
can only see one child. William Ernest Dixon in 1889
Death of Emma 1894
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18941121.2.23?end_date=31-12-1894&items_per_page=10&query=Emma+Clarke&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1894
I cannot see what happened to William Ernest Dixon Clarke, but perhaps you know??
Second marriage 1896 to Christiana COX
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18960318.2.16?end_date=31-12-1896&items_per_page=10&query=cox+clarke&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1889
He is still the only son of William Robert of Pickmere
WW1 record for Leslie Hurstfield Clarke son of William Robert Clarke, born England and Christiana Clarke born Christchurch
So - I would propose that William Robert Clarke husband of Emma Cotton and Christiana Cox is the same man.
He was born in Barton, Cheshire, in 1865 and is NOT the son of William Robert Clarke & Georgiana.
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1891
Pickmere, Great Budworth, Altrincham, Knutsford
William Clarke (indexed as Clerke on Ancestry) age 57 born Meriden, Warwickshire. Boot and Shoe maker
wife Jane 59 born Cogshall, Cheshire
address is Pickmere Road
1881
St Mary, Great Budworth, High Street
Willm R Clarke, Grocer and Shoemaker 45. B Meriden, Warwickshire
Jane 47, Cogshall, Chester
Wm R 15, Painter b Barnton, Chesher.
Rebecca 13 born Budworth, Chesher.
1871
High Street, Great Budworth
William Robert Clarke 37 Boot &. Shoe Maker b Meriden, Warwickshire
Jane 39 born Cogshall
William Robert 5, b Barnton
Rebecca 3 b Gt Budworth
A marriage Runcorn, Cheshire 8a 273 4th 1tr 1863
William Robert CLARKE and Jane HURSTFIELD
births
CLARKE William Robert. mmn HURSTFIELD. 1865 Dec qtr, Northwich, Vol 08A page 196
CLARKE Rebecca. man HURSTFIELD. 1867 Dec qtr, Runcorn, Vol 08A, page 163
I haven't noted here the later censuses, or earlier ones, but William Robert senior can be followed in both directions. Jane died and he remarried and had another son
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Thank you Mckha489 and everyone else that helped. I shall print it all off and work through it very slowly, so I can try and make sense of this tree.
Michelle