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Title: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: ChristineCK on Friday 08 July 22 16:42 BST (UK)
I'm following the 2nd family listed here as Trivice who eventually became Travers. This is the 1841 census.

What do the symbols in column 4 Where Born mean? Is the line against the first family an I for "in county" and my the squiggle beside my family means somewhere else? Or have I got that the wrong way round? As far as we know the children certainly were born in Renfrewshire.

It also looks like the wives were all recorded as Mrs on this page. But the female children have their names recorded. Poor old wives, wearing themselves out keeping house and having babies and they don't even get their names recorded.

Thank you, I'm sure the answer will be blindingly obvious once someone points it out to me.
Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: Gadget on Friday 08 July 22 16:47 BST (UK)
The y = yes, meaning born in the County. The I  means Ireland.

Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: Gadget on Friday 08 July 22 16:49 BST (UK)
See

https://www.1911census.org.uk/1841

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The following information was recorded in the schedules about each dwelling and person residing there on the night of the census:

    the address - house numbers were rarely given, and in rural areas often only the name of the village or hamlet
    whether the dwelling was "uninhabited or building" or "inhabited"
    name of each person residing at the dwelling on the night of the census
    age and sex - the age should have been rounded down to the nearest five years for those aged 15 or over but in some cases the actual age was recorded. The sex was indicated by the column that the age was recorded in
    profession, trade, employment or of independent means
    if they were born in the county in which they were enumerated (Y or N)
    if they were born in Scotland (S), Ireland (I) or Foreign Parts (F)
Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: ChristineCK on Friday 08 July 22 17:05 BST (UK)
Oh it's a Y! I don't know what I thought that squiggle was. Even after reading the guidance about Yes and No my brain didn't register that as a Y.

I knew it would be something obvious.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: Rosinish on Saturday 09 July 22 05:44 BST (UK)
What do the symbols in column 4 Where Born mean?
Going by the headings it's column 5

Annie
Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: Andy J2022 on Saturday 09 July 22 10:19 BST (UK)
Going by the headings it's column 5

Annie
Interestingly, the first 1841 Census form I grabbed to look at just now has a slightly different layout, where arguably, it's column 6! I assume that the printing of the forms was done on a regional basis, given how many would have been needed, leading to local differences in layout.
Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 09 July 22 11:20 BST (UK)
 ???

The OP only wanted to know what the symbol (y in this case) was .
Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: Gadget on Saturday 09 July 22 11:38 BST (UK)
for what it's worth, it looks like a Scottish* census page and columns are numbered. Place and Houses are grouped as col 1

Add - also show a header from an Eng & Wales page - no col numbers.

*Also - Newton Beltrees is in Renfrewshire

Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 10 July 22 00:03 BST (UK)
I was going by the columns visible on the original image, right across the top - headings.

Annie
Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: ChristineCK on Sunday 10 July 22 10:43 BST (UK)
In Renfrewshire in the 1840s it was definitely column 4.

Either way, it looks like we'll need to try to get back yet another generation in an attempt to prove our elusive Irish link. Pretty much everyone else on the page is Irish, just to frustrate me that little bit more.
Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 10 July 22 10:55 BST (UK)
Have you got them on the 1851? Does it give a place for James on that?
Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 10 July 22 10:57 BST (UK)
Have you got them on the 1851? Does it give a place for James on that?

Also  - did James die in Scotland?
Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: ChristineCK on Sunday 10 July 22 11:50 BST (UK)
He died in 1848/9, we've got a burial record. Sadly he was buried on the same day as his wife and the children all ended up in the poorhouse.
Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 10 July 22 12:58 BST (UK)
Oh dear how sad.
Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 10 July 22 14:10 BST (UK)
Were the family Catholic?

Looking at the names of the children, James & Mary may be names for his parents not that it helps when you have no place in Ireland to work with.

Annie



Title: Re: Understanding an 1841 census record? Don't understand the symbols
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 10 July 22 15:09 BST (UK)
I did check in the few early Catholic registers on SP but nothing there. I suppose that they could have married in Ireland.

No I didn't - that was for someone else  :-X