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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Topic started by: ChristineCK on Friday 08 July 22 16:42 BST (UK)
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I'm following the 2nd family listed here as Trivice who eventually became Travers. This is the 1841 census.
What do the symbols in column 4 Where Born mean? Is the line against the first family an I for "in county" and my the squiggle beside my family means somewhere else? Or have I got that the wrong way round? As far as we know the children certainly were born in Renfrewshire.
It also looks like the wives were all recorded as Mrs on this page. But the female children have their names recorded. Poor old wives, wearing themselves out keeping house and having babies and they don't even get their names recorded.
Thank you, I'm sure the answer will be blindingly obvious once someone points it out to me.
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The y = yes, meaning born in the County. The I means Ireland.
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See
https://www.1911census.org.uk/1841
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The following information was recorded in the schedules about each dwelling and person residing there on the night of the census:
the address - house numbers were rarely given, and in rural areas often only the name of the village or hamlet
whether the dwelling was "uninhabited or building" or "inhabited"
name of each person residing at the dwelling on the night of the census
age and sex - the age should have been rounded down to the nearest five years for those aged 15 or over but in some cases the actual age was recorded. The sex was indicated by the column that the age was recorded in
profession, trade, employment or of independent means
if they were born in the county in which they were enumerated (Y or N)
if they were born in Scotland (S), Ireland (I) or Foreign Parts (F)
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Oh it's a Y! I don't know what I thought that squiggle was. Even after reading the guidance about Yes and No my brain didn't register that as a Y.
I knew it would be something obvious.
Thank you.
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What do the symbols in column 4 Where Born mean?
Going by the headings it's column 5
Annie
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Going by the headings it's column 5
Annie
Interestingly, the first 1841 Census form I grabbed to look at just now has a slightly different layout, where arguably, it's column 6! I assume that the printing of the forms was done on a regional basis, given how many would have been needed, leading to local differences in layout.
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???
The OP only wanted to know what the symbol (y in this case) was .
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for what it's worth, it looks like a Scottish* census page and columns are numbered. Place and Houses are grouped as col 1
Add - also show a header from an Eng & Wales page - no col numbers.
*Also - Newton Beltrees is in Renfrewshire
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I was going by the columns visible on the original image, right across the top - headings.
Annie
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In Renfrewshire in the 1840s it was definitely column 4.
Either way, it looks like we'll need to try to get back yet another generation in an attempt to prove our elusive Irish link. Pretty much everyone else on the page is Irish, just to frustrate me that little bit more.
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Have you got them on the 1851? Does it give a place for James on that?
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Have you got them on the 1851? Does it give a place for James on that?
Also - did James die in Scotland?
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He died in 1848/9, we've got a burial record. Sadly he was buried on the same day as his wife and the children all ended up in the poorhouse.
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Oh dear how sad.
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Were the family Catholic?
Looking at the names of the children, James & Mary may be names for his parents not that it helps when you have no place in Ireland to work with.
Annie
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I did check in the few early Catholic registers on SP but nothing there. I suppose that they could have married in Ireland.
No I didn't - that was for someone else :-X