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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cumberland => Topic started by: moiramount on Friday 08 July 22 18:09 BST (UK)
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Hi, I have a James Fearon b1871Cockermouth
He married Clara Brook/s in 1894 Cockermouth. There is also a James Henderson Fearon born 1871 MMS Clark. This is where the puzzle starts. James no2 his parents are Joseph b1831 and either Mary or Elizabeth. On the 1871 census mother is Mary, 1881 census it's Elizabeth then 1891 it's Elizabeth. I've found a marriage in 1869 between Joseph and Elizabeth Young nee Clark in Cockermouth. On the census there is a William Clark stepson. No marriage for a Mary. Is it the same person, is James and James H the same person. Then to add to the mix there is another James Fearon born Cockermouth 1871, mother Mary Fearon living with Grandparents Downey. My head is a shed. On family trees in Ancestry they have Mary Henderson and Elizabeth Clark for Joseph's spouses.
Hopefully someone can sort it for me.
Thankyou
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Who is named as his father on the marriage certificate and what is the father’s occupation?
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There is a death for James Fearon aged 1 yr in December 1871
He is possibly the James William Fearon b 1870 with no mother’s maiden name.
He us then likely to the one with grandparents.
You seem to have 3 x James. Is that right?
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Using the children's names on the 1871 census
John Henry 1869 has mother maiden name Clark
James H (Henderson) 1871 mother's maiden name Clark
The other children
William, Edmund and Elizabeth are not under Fearon or Clark unless they are under Henderson
they have a different mother.
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Hi Heywood, no just two James seeing as the other one died in 1871.
I am doing a search for someone else and they don't have the certificate.
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Hi Heywood, no just two James seeing as the other one died in 1871.
I am doing a search for someone else and they don't have the certificate.
Where do you have the two James?
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James and James H but I think they are the same person, but if James Henderson Fearon was named after his mother Mary ? why does he have Clark on his birth.
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His birth certificate would give his parents’ names and the marriage certificate would confirm this through the father’s name.
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Here is the transcription of the Fearon/Young/Clark marriage 1869
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HWQN-J66Z
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thankyou, just Mary's to find now
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Joseph is single according to that marriage record.
Perhaps Elizabeth and Mary are the same person.
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Have you followed Elizabeth Young nee Clark ?
Was her mother widowed and remarried to Henderson
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No but I will check that out, thankyou
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Father in law may also mean step father
James Henderson ‘father in law’ though is very difficult to trace before and after 1871.
If that marriage is correct, and you would have to check, why would he marry Elizabeth in 1869 but live with Mary in 1871?
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I've just gone to print that Young marriage off and at the side there were some births, I clicked on John Henry who was 1 yr in 1871 census and Elizabeth was his mother. There are 3 more children born before 1869 when he married Elizabeth. William,Edmund and Elizabeth, 61.63 and 65 they were born. Mary is on here as Joseph's wife. I thought did Elizabeth have these to her last husband and gave them the Fearon name, if so who is Mary.
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I have seen instances where a woman (or man for that matter) is called by one name and then another.
It might be an error on the census too.
At the moment we have no idea.
I have tried to search for those births but nothing definite and for later sightings in censuses or marriages.
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This is perhaps Elizabeth in 1881 5170 /110/9
Elizabeth Young, 15 yrs Servant b Keswick in the home of the Tickle family in Above Derwent.
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The William born 1861 is now William B Clarke stepson in 1881. It's driving me nuts, I will call it a day on this one for now, thanks for all your help.
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Yes, we don’t seem to be getting anywhere and I can only reiterate that certificates might be more helpful.
In 1881 5171/11/3
William Clarke has been transcribed as William B but if you look at the census page, it looks like ‘N’. In fact there have been user submissions with corrections to ‘N’ too.
In 1891 4300/115
William Clark has his birthplace as Hensingham. This seems to be in Whitehaven district.
There is a birth December quarter 1861 Whitehaven
William Nevason Clark with no mother’s name.
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Yes I checked the three children I mentioned and no mother's name on any of them
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Did you already have a birth for William?
Have you found the births for Edmund and Elizabeth?
I don’t think I found them.
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William under Fearon
Edmund under Young
Elizabeth Young too b ,Whitehaven
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Sorry about this do you have the dates?
I can see
1863 Edmund Young Whitehaven mmn Walker
There is a William Walker Fearon mmn Walker in 1861 but why would he be Fearon?
Both Elizabeth Youngs b Whitehaven have mother’s names too.
Am I going wrong somewhere?
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It's like a minefield out there, my brain is mashed lol. Thanks for your help, much appreciated but I think I will leave it for now otherwise we both will be mad
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Certificates!
Unfortunately, that seems to be the only way.
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Thankyou
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Just for your information - you might want to note for any future search
September 1863 Whitehaven
Edward (often interchanged with Edmund) Young mmn Clark
I found too a possible Elizabeth Clark through censuses to 1861 but no marriage to Mr Young :-\