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I would appreciate some help with Elizabeth Williams Ashley.
I am horribly confused and will probably miss a pertinent fact out, please bear with me.
Elizabeth Williams Ashley is the daughter of Thomas Ashley, a butcher, and Harriet Cole, and baptised 29th April 1832 in Abson, Gloucestershire.
I have her with Thomas and second wife Mary in the 1841 census, together with sisters Eleanor and Sarah. I’ve yet to find her in 1851, 1861 or 1871 census.
In 1861 Thomas and Mary have a grandson with them, together with daughters Selina and Sarah. He is Thomas A Cox, born 1857 in Glamorgan. Birth registration is for Thomas Ashley Cox in April 1857 in Cardiff- MMN is Ashley.
I am also wondering if Eleanor could be Selina? I can find birth regs and baptisms for Selina and Sarah, but nothing for an Eleanor.
A search of the census in Wales gives an Eber Cox together with wife Emma, and son Thomas. There’s a marriage between Heber Cox and an Emma Ashley in December qtr 1852 in Newport. Could Emma be either Eleanor or Elizabeth?
Elizabeth next turns up in Bristol in 1876, marrying a widowed Jacob Long. Her name is given as Elizabeth Williams Ashley, and she says she is a spinster. She and Jacob are together in the 1881 (together with an Elizabeth Cox, cannot read the relationship to head) and 1891 census. Jacob dies In 1892. There’s a possibility for a widowed Elizabeth in the 1901 census in Cardiff, and another possibility in the 1911 census in Oldland Common, Bristol.
If you have stayed with me so far, well done! If anyone could shed any light on this, I’d be really grateful.
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1871? In Oldland Common, Bitton, which matches your possible 1911 entry
Piece 2499, folio 43, page 18
Elizabeth Ashley 38 unmarried, beer seller b Holbrook, Glos
Elizabeth M Cox 17 Niece b Risca
Francis W Cox 11 Nephew b Blackwood, Glam
Elizabeth Cox is also niece in 1881
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1861 - lodging with the Howell family in Llantrisant
Eber Cox 30 farrier b marshfield Glos
Emma Cox 31 b Wick and "Asbon"
Elizabeth M Cox 7 b Risca
Francis W Cox 1 b Llanwynno, Glam
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GRO index
COX Elizabeth Mary
Mother’s maiden name ASHLEY
GRO Reference: 1853
D Qtr Newport
Volume: 11A Page 153
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Just to confirm Emma and Elizabeth are different people, here's Emma in the Rhondda in 1891
Emma Cox 51 Head. Widow b Holbrook
Francis W. Cox 21 Son
Theodore G. Cox 14 Son
William H.A. Cox 10 Son
Emma was baptised as Emma
Emma Ashley
Baptism 25 Oct 1829 Abson, St James,
Father: Thomas Ashley
Mother: Harriett Ashley
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Thank you for these. I need to review properly in the morning when I am fresher.
Ah, so Emma is someone else. That clarifies things.
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Haven't found Emma in 1841 yet, but 1851 finds her in service in Clifton, born "Allbrook"
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GRO index
COX Elizabeth Mary
Mother’s maiden name ASHLEY
GRO Reference: 1853
D Qtr Newport
Volume: 11A Page 153
For info
Elizabeth Mary Cox
Baptism date 25 Dec 1853 Risca Monmouthshire
Father Heber, ostler Mother Emma
Heber Cox , f/a, hostler father Daniel, labourer
Emma Ashley f/a, father Thomas, butcher
Marriage 5 Oct 1852 Newport, St Woolos
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GRO index
COX Elizabeth Mary
Mother’s maiden name ASHLEY
GRO Reference: 1853
D Qtr Newport
Volume: 11A Page 153
For info
Elizabeth Mary Cox
Baptism date 25 Dec 1853 Risca Monmouthshire
Father Heber, ostler Mother Emma
Heber Cox , f/a, hostler father Daniel, labourer
Emma Ashley f/a, father Thomas, butcher
Marriage 5 Oct 1852 Newport, St Woolos
Definitely Thomas daughter - he’s a butcher in the various census, and down as same in Elizabeth’s baptism.
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Still can't find Elizabeth b1832 in 1851 or 1861 census, she has hidden herself well. I've tried both England and Wales census.
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? Have you tried Betty ASHLEY or just ASHLEY - My family on the 1851 census, just go by initials for their Christian name.
Gloucestershire Genelogical Database
1828 Overseers
Mrs ASHLEY
Wick and Abson
Reference: P328a OV 3/5/26
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On the National Archives, there is also and Overseers of the Poor - Settlement (Just Google A2a) Examinations for William ASHLEY, labourer of Wick and Abson.
There appear to be quite a few hits for Ashley - Wick and Abson
including
Sarah ASHLEY, unmarried woman with child to St Mary de Crypt. (1833)
Wick and Abson. OVERSEERS OF THE POOR.
Settlement. Removal Orders from the paarish of Wick and Abson.
William ASHLEY, his wife Elizabeth and son William from Temple, Bristol (1816)
Settlement Removal Orders to the parish of Wick and Abson.
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I tried just Ashley on familysearch, found an Elizabeth M Ashley, 28, a servant in Paddington in 1861 England census. Birthplace is Gloucestershire. Not able to check image, one for later.
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Had a quick look at British Newspapers on line.
ASHLEY Wick and Abson
There are quite a few hits - with various Christian names. Jacob ASHLEY.
Not sure if this is your Thomas' Wife, Mary - (called Ann) on this article. My x Grandmother Mary Ann, on baptisms, sometimes she was listed as Ann, othertimes Mary.
Seems the Ashley's were farmers, as early articles talk about sale of animals etc.
Anyway, not sure where this particular article fits in to your family
Bath & Chronicle and Weekly Gazette - Thursday 16 September 1852
Sept 5 of paralysis, Ann relict of Mr Thomas Ashley of Wick and Abson. Gloucestershire, aged 68.
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Haven't found Emma in 1841 yet, but 1851 finds her in service in Clifton, born "Allbrook"
There’s a similar entry for an Elizabeth Ashley in 1851, she’s in Weston, Somerset with Charles Vigne and family as a servant. Age is slightly off as she’s down as 21, born Holbrook, Somerset.
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Tried searching for Elizabeth Williams ASHLEY on British Newspapers on Line and it worked!!!!
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Western Daily Express - Monday 2 September 1872
LAWFORD's GATE LICENCING SESSIONS (a long list)
'An application for a license in respect of another house, the Union House, in the same neighbourhood for the application, ELIZABETH WILLIAMS ASHLEY; and Mr Paine opposed for application.
Mr Benson said that the house had been licensed as a beerhouse for twenty-eight years, and had always been well conducted. He produced a memorial from the vicar, churchwardens, and some of the ratepayers of the parish. Mr Paine contended that the accommodation of the house in respect of which he applied was much more suitable that of the other, which contained no accommodation for horses. The Chequers, on the other hand, had accommodation for twelve horses.
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Bristol Mercury - Saturday 15 January 1876
LAWFORD's GATE PETTY SESSION, Thursday
Joseph Hicks, a young man, was charged on remand with stealing two half-sovereigns from a desk, the property of ELIZABETH WILLIAMS ASHLEY, the Landlady of the UNION BEERHOUSE.
Mr Parkinson defended.
Mary Williams, the barmaid, deposed to the last time the money was seen safe by her.
She then left the bar for about five minutes, and on her return she saw him in the act of leaving the bar.
He called for a pint of cider, and then walked out to the front door.
Witness, finding the money had gone, called out for the complainant, and on her coming the police were sent for, and the prisoner who returned into the house after an absence of about three minutes, was detained.
He was searched, but nothing was found on him.
A little boy named Harris said he saw the prisoner leave the house and go to the urinal, and then walk back in the house.
Mr Parkinson having addressed the magistrates, the prisoner was committed for trial.
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Western Daily Press, Friday 24 March 1876
GLOUCESTERSHIRE QUARTER SESSION
'The Bill against Joseph Hicks, for stealing two hall-sovereigns from Elizabeth Williams Ashley of BITTON, was ignored.
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There is also this one - which gives useful information
Western Daily Press - Friday 7 January 1875
LAWFORD's GATE PETTY SESSIONS
ALLEGED TILL ROBBERY.
Joseph Hicks was charged with stealing two half-soverigns from a till in the Union Inn, Oldland Common, kept by MISS ELIZABETH W ASHLEY on the 4 January.
The coins, which had been marked, were seen by the complainant in the till on the day in question, and soon afterwards the prisoner came into the house.
From what she heard soon after he entered she told him she should detain him till a policeman came.
P.C. Russell came in and soon afterwards P.S. Marley, and in their presence complainant charted the prisoner with with robbery.
MARY WILLIAMS, cousin to Miss ASHLEY, who lives with her, said she was in the back yard on the day in question, and heard a noise in the bar.
There were two doors to the bar, and as she entered by one door the accused was leaving by the other.
He called for a pint of cider. She noticed the till half open and searched it, and found the half-sovereigns were gone. She drew the cider and took it to the prisoner in the taproom, and then informed Miss ASHLEY of the robbery.
The bench remanded the case for a week.
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If you Google:
Union Inn, Oldland Common Bitton
Website:
Pubs - Bitton Parish History Group
There is a photo taken 1900s - of The Union Inn, Oldland Common and WINCHOME & SON horse-drawn carriage on right.
The Union was built around 1850 and was replaced by The Cherry Tree.
It was known locally as WHITELOCKS after the landlord William WHITELOCK 1923-1960.
Jose Lawrence recalled the pub in her story, which can be dowloaded by clicking on the pin: 'War its Aftermarth'.
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If you Google:
Union Inn, Oldland Common Bitton
Website:
Pubs - Bitton Parish History Group
There is a photo taken 1900s - of The Union Inn, Oldland Common and WINCHOME & SON horse-drawn carriage on right.
The Union was built around 1850 and was replaced by The Cherry Tree.
It was known locally as WHITELOCKS after the landlord William WHITELOCK 1923-1960.
Jose Lawrence recalled the pub in her story, which can be dowloaded by clicking on the pin: 'War its Aftermarth'.
I’ll have a look, thank you. She’s in Oldland Common in the 1871 census, occupation Beer Seller, so that ties things up there quite nicely. Great finds, thanks so much.
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Your welcome. A lucky find!