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Hello , I am ideally looking for the possible marriage of the above , she was born in Dyffryn Arduddwy , her parents were Edward and Ann . I have only managed to find her on 1881 and 1891 census so far
Maybe someone is related ? that would be great .
Regards
Alan
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Not sure how this works out
1901 5253 /129/14
David John Jones 31 yrs
Elizabeth Lloyd Jones 30 yrs b Dyffryn
3 children including
Griffith Ellis Jones 3 yrs
He is registered Dolgelly 1897 with mmn Humphreys.
I can’t yet see a marriage.
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Thanks but I think that was Elizabeth lloyd Evans marriage , not Humphreys
Regards
Alan
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According to a tree on Ancestry Elizabeth Humphreys married Edward Griffiths (1868-1929) but you will need to check it out.
freebmd
Marriage Jul 1890 Corwen, Merionethshire
Colin
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I've not found a marriage for her yet but this is the family in 1871 in Ffestiniog
RG10/5694/31/14
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Thanks but I think that was Elizabeth lloyd Evans marriage , not Humphreys
Regards
Alan
Yes I saw that too - it was just the child’s mmn that threw me.
Perhaps more than one child of that name.
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1871 census.
Piece: 5694
Folio: 31
Page number: 14
Household Members Age Relationship
Edward Humphreys
27 Head
Ann Humphreys
21 Wife
Elizabeth Humphreys 2 Daughter
Ann the mother would have only been 18/19 when Elizabeth was born. I wonder if her birth is registered under another surname and she adopted the Humphreys after a possible parents marriage.??
John
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Thanks , she is showing she was single on 1891 census at Dyffryn
Regards
Alan
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Marriage closer to home:
Q1, 1896, Ffestiniog to Hugh Jones or David Edwards
That was the one I found too, John, my computer is playing up so I just put up the ref.
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Just to say that you are correct - that child was Griffiths Llewellyn Jones mmn Evans.
Not the one I found. ::)
Poor Griffith Ellis Jones died soon after birth.
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Marriage closer to home:
Q1, 1896, Ffestiniog to Hugh Jones or David Edwards
I don't see her on the 1901 with either of these so doesn't look like her.
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According to a tree on Ancestry Elizabeth Humphreys married Edward Griffiths (1868-1929) but you will need to check it out.
freebmd
Marriage Jul 1890 Corwen, Merionethshire
Colin
I have found this couple on the 1891/1901 census and it would not appear to be the correct Elizabeth.
Colin
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1891 Llanenddwyn, Barmouth
David Jones 64 Head
Richard Jones 72 Brother
Janet Williams 48 Visitor
Elizabeth Humphreys 22 Servant
Born Dyffryn, Merionethshire, Wales.
Colin
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Yes , that's her in 1891.
Regards
Alan
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Fast forward to 1911 (married 19 years)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWX9-NZK
both Ellen Jane & Griffith Llewllyn born Barmouth which comes under the Dolgelley reg dist.
Ellen's birth sq 1894 mmn Evans
Griffith birth dq 1897 mmn Evans
john david mq 1893 Pontypridd (birth in CELFYNYDD) covered by Pontypridd mmn Evans.
John
added, A david John Jones with other on same page Elizabeth Evans jq 1892 Pontypridd.
Please tell me if I am barking up the wrong tree here. I know she should be a Humphreys but I ask again is it an adopted surname.
John
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1871 for information. (1891 Elizabeth is a Servant)
Civil parish: Llanfairm County/Island: Merionethshire, Registration district: Festiniog
Edward Humphreys 27 Railway Plate layer Berriew, Montgomeryshire
Ann Humphreys 21 Wife Llanfyllin, Montgomeryshire
Elizabeth Humphreys 2 Daughter Dyffryn, Montgomeryshire
1881 - Talwrn Bach Crossing, Llanfair Juxta Harlech, Ffestiniog, Merionethshire
Edward Humphreys Head 36 1845 Railway platelayer Berriew, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Ann Humphreys Wife 36 1845 - Llanfyllin, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Elizabeth Humphreys Daughter 12 1869 Scholar Merionethshire, Wales
Edward Humphreys Servant 9 1872 Scholar Llanbedr, Merionethshire, Wales
Thomas Humphreys Son 7 1874 Scholar Llanbedr, Merionethshire, Wales
Just a little confusing and no marriage for Edward & Ann?
Colin
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Its a pity the mother's maiden name not given at that time on the births of the children .I haven't found Edward and Ann marriage either but thought likely up in Montgomeryshire where they were from .
Regards
Alan
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The only Dyffryn that I know of is Dyffryn Llanfair, which is in the parish of Newtown.
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Its a pity the mother's maiden name not given at that time on the births of the children .I haven't found Edward and Ann marriage either but thought likely up in Montgomeryshire where they were from .
There is a Thomas Humphrey registered in Ffestiniog , June Q, 1873 11b 432
MMN Evans
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Its a pity the mother's maiden name not given at that time on the births of the children .
Regards
Alan
All of the Elizabeth's born 1869 have a mothers maiden name listed on the GRO site?
Colin
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This also?
HUMPHREYS, ELIZABETH EVANS
GRO Reference: 1869 M Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 464
Colin
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Llanbedr is in the Ffestiniog regisration District
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/ffestiniog.html
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This is the Dolgelly RD
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/dolgelly.html
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Thinking ~
Alan - are you sure that Elizabeth did marry? She could have died after 1891.
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Hello , I guess dying is a possibility but looking on rosy side of marriage . I just found a marriage in Montgomeryshire at llanfyllin which was where Ann was from { she was born in the village they flooded for Lake Vyrnwy} The marriage though was 1863 to Ann Evans , but that would make our Ann 13 yrs old so very doubtful
Regards
Alan
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1881 census as posted
Edward Humphreys Head 36 1845 Railway platelayer Berriew, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Ann Humphreys Wife 36 1845 - Llanfyllin, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Elizabeth Humphreys Daughter 12 1869 Scholar Merionethshire, Wales
Edward Humphreys Servant 9 1872 Scholar Llanbedr, Merionethshire, Wales
Thomas Humphreys Son 7 1874 Scholar Llanbedr, Merionethshire, Wales
Possibly,
Marriage of parents
Marriages Mar 1870
HUMPHREYS Edward Machynlleth 11b 245
Jones Ann Machynlleth 11b 245
JONES Jane Machynlleth 11b 245
Owens Owen Machynlleth 11b 245
JONES, ELIZABETH LLOYD JONES
GRO Reference: 1868 D Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 404
Edward born
HUMPHREYS, EDWARD JONES
GRO Reference: 1874 M Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 11B Page 169
Thomas born
HUMPHREYS, THOMAS JONES
GRO Reference: 1874 D Quarter in MACHYNLLETH Volume 11B Page 167
John
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John
Machynlleth is in Montgomeryshire not Merionethshire.
See my previous posts for probable RDs
Gadget
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The 1881 Census "as posted" should refer to Elizabeth being born "Dyffryn Ard __(?) Merioneth".
The "Ard __" looks like "Ardwy" and might be an attempt to capture "Ardudwy".
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Gadget, I accept your comments re registration districts. Certainly Thomas and Edward are recorded as born Llanbedr, which of course is in the Ffestiniog reg district. The only common maiden surname for a Thomas 1873 and Edward 1874 in this area have mmn Prichard. Cannot find a Humphreys/Prichard marriage though.
John
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I just had a look at the 1881 census on familysearchorg and it says Elizabeth born 1869 Dyffryn Ardwy , Merionethshire . It also says that Ann estimated birth date , together with Edward being 1845
That marriage at Llanfyllin in 1863 might not seem too daft now ?
Regards
Alan
ps I wondered if there was a site which might have marriage certs ?
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Genuki has Dyffryn Ardudwy as in the parish of Llanenddwyn
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MER/Llanenddwyn
Add
In Dolgelly RD
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/dolgelly.html
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ps I wondered if there was a site which might have marriage certs ?
Alan - FindMyPast has the welsh marriage certs, if they were married in a C of E (in Wales).
I was lucky to find most of mine as they were mainly from the North Wales area.
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Re the Llanfyllin marriage
Llanfyllin would refer to the Reg District. If it was a parish marriage it could take place in any of the parish thatwere part of that District.
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MGY/Llanfyllin
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/llanfyllin.html
(I've got some info for Montgomeryshire so I'll check if there's anything there)
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Your Llanfyllin marriage was a civil marriage so you'd have to buy the cert.
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Thanks , that might be an option. I am wondering if Elizabeth married under a Dolgelly reg ?
Regards
Alan
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Found a possible bapt for Ann Griffiths Evans with a mother named Elizabeth (naming convention maybe)
Llanwddyn
9 Feb 1845 Anne Griffiths illegitimate child of Elizabeth Evans
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That's interesting, wonder if the "Griffiths " is a hint of father ?
Regards
Alan
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I found the burial of that Ann Griffiths Evans in 1847
Regards
Alan
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Sorry if my posts have been misleading. Is the general thinking that Edward Humphreys possibly married Ann Evans in 1863 and that a Thomas Humphrey born 1873 mmn Evans and an Edward Humphreys born 1874 mmn Evans.
John
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I found the burial of that Ann Griffiths Evans in 1847
Regards
Alan
:'(
No other baptisms that I can see there. I'm not sure that the non-conformist registers have them that late.
The nearest is Meifod - too far away.
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Hello John , its a possibility , but Edward born 1872 and Thomas born 1874
Regards
Alan
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Can I just add as a possible,
Baptism of an Edward Humphreys 11th October 1867 Llanddwywe, Merionethshire, parents Edward & Ann-occ Labourer.
Llanddwywe 1/2 mile up the road from Dyffryn Ardudwy
birth
HUMPHREYS, EDWARD EVANS
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 445
death
HUMPHREYS, EDWARD aged 1
GRO Reference: 1869 J Quarter in DOLGELLEY Volume 11B Page 332
John
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Have you got this?
1911 - Ann is a widow, aged 67 (b.c 1844), b. Llanwddyn
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7JD-4JX
Add -also a widow in 1901
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91S-BJQ
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Yes thanks , Edward was killed in an accident at the railway crossing
Regards
Alan
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Alan, did Ann die in 1911, left a probate record that mentions her son Edward Humphreys a railway guard.
John
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I think she did.
Regards
Alan
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Burial on Aug 4 1911 has her residence as the same as the census. Aged 68.
It might be worth looking for an obituary to see if Elizabeth is mentioned.
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Good idea but couldn't find an obituary unfortunately
Regards
Alan