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Title: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Sunday 07 August 22 07:41 BST (UK)
Hello , I am ideally looking for the possible marriage of the above , she was born in Dyffryn Arduddwy , her parents were Edward and Ann . I have only managed to find her on 1881 and 1891 census so far
Maybe someone is related ? that would be great .
Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: heywood on Sunday 07 August 22 09:43 BST (UK)
Not sure how this works out

1901 5253 /129/14

David John Jones 31 yrs
Elizabeth Lloyd Jones 30 yrs b Dyffryn

3 children including
Griffith Ellis Jones 3 yrs

He is registered Dolgelly 1897 with mmn Humphreys.

I can’t yet see a marriage.

Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Sunday 07 August 22 10:43 BST (UK)
Thanks but I think that was Elizabeth lloyd Evans marriage , not Humphreys
Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: ColC on Sunday 07 August 22 10:44 BST (UK)
According to a tree on Ancestry Elizabeth Humphreys married Edward Griffiths (1868-1929) but you will need to check it out.

freebmd   
Marriage   Jul 1890 Corwen, Merionethshire

Colin

Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 10:45 BST (UK)
I've not found a marriage for her yet but this is the family in 1871 in Ffestiniog

RG10/5694/31/14
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: heywood on Sunday 07 August 22 10:46 BST (UK)
Thanks but I think that was Elizabeth lloyd Evans marriage , not Humphreys
Regards
Alan

Yes I saw that too - it was just the child’s mmn that threw me.
Perhaps more than one child of that name.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 07 August 22 10:49 BST (UK)
1871 census.

Piece:   5694
Folio:   31
Page number:   14
Household Members   Age   Relationship
Edward Humphreys
27   Head
Ann Humphreys
21   Wife
Elizabeth Humphreys   2   Daughter

Ann the mother would have only been 18/19 when Elizabeth was born. I wonder if her birth is registered under another surname and she adopted the Humphreys after a possible parents marriage.??

John
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Sunday 07 August 22 10:50 BST (UK)
Thanks , she is showing she was single on 1891 census at Dyffryn
Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 10:52 BST (UK)
Marriage closer to home:

Q1, 1896, Ffestiniog to Hugh Jones or David Edwards

That was the one I found too, John, my computer is  playing up so I just put up the ref.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: heywood on Sunday 07 August 22 11:00 BST (UK)
Just to say that you are correct - that child was Griffiths Llewellyn Jones mmn Evans.

Not the one I found.  ::)

Poor Griffith Ellis Jones died soon after birth.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 11:06 BST (UK)
Marriage closer to home:

Q1, 1896, Ffestiniog to Hugh Jones or David Edwards


I don't see her on the 1901 with either of these so doesn't look like her.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: ColC on Sunday 07 August 22 11:23 BST (UK)
According to a tree on Ancestry Elizabeth Humphreys married Edward Griffiths (1868-1929) but you will need to check it out.

freebmd   
Marriage   Jul 1890 Corwen, Merionethshire

Colin

I have found this couple on the 1891/1901 census and it would not appear to be the correct Elizabeth.

Colin
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: ColC on Sunday 07 August 22 11:29 BST (UK)
1891 Llanenddwyn, Barmouth

David Jones   64   Head
Richard Jones   72   Brother
Janet Williams   48   Visitor
Elizabeth Humphreys   22   Servant
Born Dyffryn, Merionethshire, Wales.

Colin
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Sunday 07 August 22 11:34 BST (UK)
Yes , that's her in 1891.
Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 07 August 22 12:12 BST (UK)
Fast forward to 1911 (married 19 years)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWX9-NZK

both Ellen Jane & Griffith Llewllyn born Barmouth which comes under the Dolgelley reg dist.

Ellen's birth sq 1894 mmn Evans
Griffith birth dq 1897 mmn Evans

john david mq 1893 Pontypridd (birth in CELFYNYDD) covered by Pontypridd mmn Evans.

John

added, A david John Jones with other on same page Elizabeth Evans jq 1892 Pontypridd.

Please tell me if I am barking up the wrong tree here. I know she should be a Humphreys but I ask again is it an adopted surname.

John
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: ColC on Sunday 07 August 22 12:41 BST (UK)
1871 for information. (1891 Elizabeth is a Servant)
Civil parish:   Llanfairm County/Island:   Merionethshire, Registration district:   Festiniog

Edward Humphreys   27   Railway Plate layer   Berriew, Montgomeryshire
Ann Humphreys           21   Wife   Llanfyllin, Montgomeryshire
Elizabeth Humphreys   2   Daughter   Dyffryn, Montgomeryshire

1881 - Talwrn Bach Crossing, Llanfair Juxta Harlech, Ffestiniog, Merionethshire
Edward   Humphreys Head 36   1845   Railway platelayer   Berriew, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Ann   Humphreys   Wife     36   1845   -   Llanfyllin, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Elizabeth   Humphreys Daughter   12   1869   Scholar   Merionethshire, Wales
Edward   Humphreys Servant     9   1872   Scholar   Llanbedr, Merionethshire, Wales
Thomas   Humphreys   Son    7   1874   Scholar   Llanbedr, Merionethshire, Wales

Just a little confusing and no marriage for Edward & Ann?

Colin
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Sunday 07 August 22 13:01 BST (UK)
Its a pity the mother's maiden name not given at that time on the births of the children .I haven't found Edward and Ann marriage either but thought likely up in Montgomeryshire where they were from .
Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 13:02 BST (UK)
The only Dyffryn that I know of is Dyffryn Llanfair, which is in the parish of Newtown.

Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 13:09 BST (UK)


Its a pity the mother's maiden name not given at that time on the births of the children .I haven't found Edward and Ann marriage either but thought likely up in Montgomeryshire where they were from .

There is a Thomas Humphrey registered in Ffestiniog , June Q, 1873 11b 432
MMN Evans

Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: ColC on Sunday 07 August 22 13:10 BST (UK)
Its a pity the mother's maiden name not given at that time on the births of the children .
Regards
Alan

All of the Elizabeth's born 1869 have a mothers maiden name listed on the GRO site?

Colin
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: ColC on Sunday 07 August 22 13:11 BST (UK)
This also?

HUMPHREYS, ELIZABETH       EVANS 
GRO Reference: 1869  M Quarter in DOLGELLEY  Volume 11B  Page 464

Colin
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 13:17 BST (UK)
Llanbedr is in the Ffestiniog regisration District

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/ffestiniog.html
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 13:18 BST (UK)
This is the Dolgelly RD

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/dolgelly.html
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 13:21 BST (UK)
Thinking  ~

Alan - are you sure that Elizabeth did marry? She could have died after 1891.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Sunday 07 August 22 13:25 BST (UK)
Hello , I guess dying is a possibility but looking on rosy side of marriage . I just found a marriage in Montgomeryshire at llanfyllin which was where Ann was from { she was born in the village they flooded for Lake Vyrnwy} The marriage though was 1863 to Ann Evans , but that would make our Ann 13 yrs old so very doubtful
Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 07 August 22 13:32 BST (UK)
1881 census as posted

Edward   Humphreys Head 36   1845   Railway platelayer   Berriew, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Ann   Humphreys   Wife     36   1845   -   Llanfyllin, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Elizabeth   Humphreys Daughter   12   1869   Scholar   Merionethshire, Wales
Edward   Humphreys Servant     9   1872   Scholar   Llanbedr, Merionethshire, Wales
Thomas   Humphreys   Son    7   1874   Scholar   Llanbedr, Merionethshire, Wales

Possibly,

Marriage of parents

Marriages Mar 1870   

HUMPHREYS    Edward        Machynlleth    11b   245
Jones    Ann        Machynlleth    11b   245    
JONES    Jane        Machynlleth    11b   245   
Owens    Owen        Machynlleth    11b   245

JONES, ELIZABETH  LLOYD     JONES 
GRO Reference: 1868  D Quarter in DOLGELLEY  Volume 11B  Page 404

Edward born

HUMPHREYS, EDWARD       JONES 
GRO Reference: 1874  M Quarter in MACHYNLLETH  Volume 11B  Page 169

Thomas born

HUMPHREYS, THOMAS       JONES 
GRO Reference: 1874  D Quarter in MACHYNLLETH  Volume 11B  Page 167

John
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 13:48 BST (UK)
John

Machynlleth is in Montgomeryshire not Merionethshire.

See my previous posts for probable RDs


Gadget
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 07 August 22 13:49 BST (UK)
The 1881 Census "as posted" should refer to Elizabeth being born "Dyffryn Ard __(?) Merioneth".
The "Ard __" looks like "Ardwy" and might be an attempt to capture "Ardudwy".
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 07 August 22 13:55 BST (UK)
Gadget, I accept your comments re registration districts. Certainly Thomas and Edward are recorded as born Llanbedr, which of course is in the Ffestiniog reg district. The only common maiden surname for a Thomas 1873 and Edward 1874 in this area have mmn Prichard. Cannot find a Humphreys/Prichard marriage though.

John
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Sunday 07 August 22 14:01 BST (UK)
I just had a look at the 1881 census on familysearchorg and it says Elizabeth born 1869 Dyffryn Ardwy , Merionethshire . It also says that Ann estimated birth date , together with Edward being 1845
That marriage at Llanfyllin in 1863 might not seem too daft now ?
Regards
Alan
ps I wondered if there was a site which might have marriage certs ?
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 14:18 BST (UK)
Genuki has Dyffryn Ardudwy as in the parish of Llanenddwyn

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MER/Llanenddwyn

Add

In Dolgelly RD

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/dolgelly.html
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 14:23 BST (UK)

ps I wondered if there was a site which might have marriage certs ?

Alan - FindMyPast has the welsh marriage certs, if they were married in a C of E (in Wales).

I was lucky to find most of mine as they were mainly from the North Wales area.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 14:30 BST (UK)
Re the Llanfyllin marriage

Llanfyllin would refer to the Reg District. If it was a parish marriage it could take place in any of the parish thatwere part of that District.

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MGY/Llanfyllin

https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/llanfyllin.html

(I've got some info for Montgomeryshire  so I'll check if there's anything there)

Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 14:33 BST (UK)
Your Llanfyllin marriage was a civil marriage so you'd have to buy the cert.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Sunday 07 August 22 14:44 BST (UK)
Thanks , that might be an option. I am wondering if Elizabeth married under a Dolgelly reg ?
Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 15:01 BST (UK)
Found a possible bapt for Ann Griffiths Evans with a mother named Elizabeth (naming convention maybe)

Llanwddyn
9 Feb 1845 Anne Griffiths  illegitimate child  of  Elizabeth Evans
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Sunday 07 August 22 15:10 BST (UK)
That's interesting, wonder if the "Griffiths " is a hint of father ?
Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Sunday 07 August 22 15:34 BST (UK)
I found the burial of that Ann Griffiths Evans in 1847
Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 07 August 22 15:37 BST (UK)
Sorry if my posts have been misleading. Is the general thinking that Edward Humphreys possibly married Ann Evans in 1863 and that  a Thomas Humphrey born 1873 mmn Evans and an Edward  Humphreys born 1874 mmn Evans.

John
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 15:40 BST (UK)
I found the burial of that Ann Griffiths Evans in 1847
Regards
Alan
:'(

No other baptisms that I can see there. I'm not sure that the non-conformist registers  have them that late.

The nearest is Meifod  - too far away.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Sunday 07 August 22 15:44 BST (UK)
Hello John , its a possibility , but Edward born 1872 and Thomas born 1874
Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 07 August 22 15:55 BST (UK)
Can I just add as a possible,

Baptism of an Edward Humphreys 11th October 1867 Llanddwywe, Merionethshire, parents Edward & Ann-occ Labourer.

Llanddwywe 1/2 mile up the road from Dyffryn Ardudwy

birth

HUMPHREYS, EDWARD       EVANS 
GRO Reference: 1867  S Quarter in DOLGELLEY  Volume 11B  Page 445


death

HUMPHREYS, EDWARD    aged    1 
GRO Reference: 1869  J Quarter in DOLGELLEY  Volume 11B  Page 332

John
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 15:59 BST (UK)
Have you got this?

1911 - Ann is a widow, aged 67 (b.c 1844), b. Llanwddyn

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X7JD-4JX

Add -also a widow in 1901

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91S-BJQ
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Sunday 07 August 22 16:05 BST (UK)
Yes thanks , Edward was killed in an accident at the railway crossing
Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 07 August 22 16:25 BST (UK)
Alan, did Ann die in 1911, left a probate record that mentions her son Edward Humphreys a railway guard.

John
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Sunday 07 August 22 16:31 BST (UK)
I think she did.
Regards
Alan
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: Gadget on Sunday 07 August 22 16:37 BST (UK)
Burial  on Aug 4  1911 has her residence as the same as the census. Aged 68.

It might be worth looking for an obituary to see if Elizabeth is mentioned.
Title: Re: Elizabeth Humphreys born 1869
Post by: alan w jones on Monday 08 August 22 09:10 BST (UK)
Good idea but couldn't find an obituary unfortunately
Regards
Alan