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Samuel TANFIELD of Tanfield & Potter - later Crown Lynn - arrived in Auckland on the Ship William Miles Departed London 29th Jul 1862 Arrived 13th Nov 1862.
Samuel spent a decade in Hamilton before returning to Auckland. He was connected with the Wesleyan (Methodist) Church
On his Death Certificate [26 September 1900] he is shown as
born in Yorkshire
and his father is shown as John TANFIELD farmer
No information of his mother
The information is supplied by A TANFIELD son (Alfred Thomas TANFIELD0
Family Trees
www.geni.com/people/Samuel-Tanfield and wikitree.com/wiki/Tanfield-49
show Samuel's parents as Thomas & Mary of Thirsk Yorkshire
Any thoughts on confirming parents ?
Signal
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Mmm, can see the problem. The Samuel Tanfield b. 1841 Thirsk is with parents Thomas and Mary in 1841 and 1851 in Thirsk and boarding in Ripon in 1861. Can't see him after this which would tie in with him going to NZ. Thomas is not a farmer.
However, we know information on the death certificate is only as reliable as the informant's knowledge so there is a possibility that may be inaccurate.
I can't see another suitable Samuel Tanfield b. 1841 in Yorkshire.
Do NZ marriage certificates give the father's name and occupation? If so that would be my next step. I'm assuming that you don't have any certain link for Samuel with one of his siblings.
If you need the census entries let me know.
Brie
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I cannot find him in the GRO but this in FreeBMD...........
Births Mar 1841
Tanfield Samuel Thirsk
24 519
Minniehaha.
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Thanks Brie
No other sibling or other England info
Marriage Certs of this era in NZ did not have parents although does reveal marriage in home of Brides Father Thomas Holmes who also was witness
Signal
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Quite a few trees on Ancestry with his parents as Thomas TANFIELD and Mary SIMPSON.
Birth 5 Jan 1841 Thirsk.
Photo of parents gravestone in Thirsk Churchyard mentions a son John who died on board a ship coming to NZ on 7 Dec 1868.
Ian C
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suggested possibility
John Tanfield b1827 Newton N Yorkshire.
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TANFIELD, JANE HANNAH mmn SIMPSON
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in THIRSK UNION Volume 24 Page 535
Trish :)
EDIT looks like 2 Marriages for Thomas;
Marriage 26 November 1831 Thirsk, North Yorkshire, to Mary SIMPSON and previous Marriage 7 December 1822 to Ann CHAPMAN
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Quite a few trees on Ancestry with his parents as Thomas TANFIELD and Mary SIMPSON.
Birth 5 Jan 1841 Thirsk.
Photo of parents gravestone in Thirsk Churchyard mentions a son John who died on board a ship coming to NZ on 7 Dec 1868.
Ian C
The question is is this Samuel [b Thirsk 5 Jan 1841] the same as Samuel [d Devonport Auckland 26 Sep 1900]
Do you have any other info on John? Age, Name of Ship, departed or arrived 7 Dec 1868, Port ?
Signal
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TANFIELD, JANE HANNAH mmn SIMPSON
GRO Reference: 1846 S Quarter in THIRSK UNION Volume 24 Page 535
Trish :)
EDIT looks like 2 Marriages for Thomas;
Marriage 26 November 1831 Thirsk, North Yorkshire, to Mary SIMPSON and previous Marriage 7 December 1822 to Ann CHAPMAN
My starting point is to try to eliminate John then Thomas & Mary become viable
Albert Thomas TANFIELD records his paternal Grandfather as John TANFIELD Grandmother unknown. Does John TANFIELD one time farmer of Yorkshire exist ?
Signal
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Gravestone photo attached.
John died on the ship.
Ian C
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Thomas left a will in 1865.
His probate was granted to his son Richard who was a Primitive Methodist Minister in Bradford, Yorkshire. Richard was eldest son from Thomas' first marriage.
You mentioned about Samuel being involved with Wesleyan Church.
Ian C
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1841 census Thirsk
Thomas has a relative John age 40 living with them - Blacksmith
Doylah (male) 35 - Tailor
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1841 census Thirsk
Thomas has a relative John age 40 living with them - Blacksmith
Doylah (male) 35 - Tailor
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Somewhere in the last couple of days I came across Doylah I think in my NZ TANFIELD search. I ignored or set it aside as a misspelling. This makes John [b~1800] & Doylah persons of interest rather than, or alongside, their relative Thomas.
Signal
I will also try to track down the John died on board the ship
Signal
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The trees on Ancestry have Doylah and John as brothers of Thomas, parents Robert and Rachel.
Thomas and Mary also had a son named Doylah born 1836.
Ian C
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Gravestone photo attached.
John died on the ship.
Ian C
I have tracked down in Papers Past the following
Daily Southern Cross 9 January 1869 Page 2
ARRIVAL OF THE SHIP QUEEN BEE FROM LONDON.
The clipper ship Queen Bee, 726 tons, Captain John Leslie, anchored off Rangitoto about six o'clock last evening, after a smart passage of 99 days from the Downs.
The Queen Bee left the Downs on the 1st of October, with forty-one passengers, and a large miscellaneous cargo, in company with the ship Wild Duck, for Wellington, Experienced fine weather down the English Channel and to the Equator, which was crossed on the 30th, in 26- W. Had fair winds from thence to the Cape, which was passed on the 29th November in 43' S. Thence to Tasmania, which was sighted on the 29th December experienced light and variable weather, and made the Three Kings on Tuesday last. Met with southerly and baffling winds along the coast, and anchored as above last evening.
We regret to state that during the voyage two of the passengers died -- Alexander Forgie, on the 12th November, of dropsy in the chest and John Townfield [should be Tanfield], on December 7, of consumption.[TB]
The list of passengers and their luggage contains no further reference to John Tanfield / Townfield
So this John Tanfield apparently travelling alone died between Cape Town and Tasmania. He may be a relative but is not the John TANFIELD I am looking for
Signal
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As Brie said in Reply #1
However, we know information on the death certificate is only as reliable as the informant's knowledge so there is a possibility that may be inaccurate.
Samuel's son may not have known who his grandfather was, and as his grandmother's name is not on the death cert he did not know who she was. John may have been mentioned at some stage and was taken as Samuel's father.
If Samuel is the son of Thomas and Mary from Thirsk, which he looks to be, then John would be Samuel's uncle, or the brother who died on the Queen Bee.
I've had a number of death certs that have incorrect information on them.
A couple of the trees on Ancestry are by descendants of Samuel, so it might be worth contacting them. They might have something that confirms his parentage.
Ian C
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On his Death Certificate [26 September 1900] he is shown as
born in Yorkshire
and his father is shown as John TANFIELD farmer
Hi Signal
I agree with what others have said regarding the "likely-mistaken" name of father, as shown on the death certificate.
As to the occupation of this "John TANFIELD" -- "farmer" ... I have to offer the following :
* On 1851 census (Thirsk, Yorkshire), Thomas TANFIELD, the father of the 1841-born Samuel TANFIELD, has the occupation "Grocer and Letter carrier".
However, on some prior records (namely, baptisms for his children Ann Chapman - 1825 / Mary and Thomas (twins) - 1832 / Elizabeth Ann - 1834 / and Doyla - 1836 ), Thomas TANFIELD of Thirsk is shown as a Flax dresser. He has this same occupation on the 1841 Census.
SO, maybe the name "John" has been confused with Samuel's late brother John ( -- 3 years younger and perhaps on his way to NZ to join his brother ?? ).
AND ... can the occupation of "flax dresser" be deemed to be something akin to that of a farmer ??
[I dunno ;D ]
~ Lu
Added: A bit on Flax dressing at this link >
http://branchesofmytree.weebly.com/100-ancestors/w115-james-anderson-a-flax-dresser
Seems like some of the preparatory work prior to the spinning process, may have been done "out in the field" ? ... and maybe the flax dresser also grew his own flax ? SO, "farmer" ... possibly ??
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Thanks Lu& Ian
I have identified from Ance$try Trees at least 8 John TANFIELDS in Yorkshire possible fathers for Samuel. I still wonder if the matching of birth year is enough to allocate Samuel to Thomas as his father.
Just as sons can get grandfathers wrong so can Ance$try Trees be in error
I have a PM directing me to another UK source with whom I am in contact and waiting to see what may emerge
Signal
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Births in NZ after 1875 will show the birthplace of the parents.
Have you seen the birth cert of Samuel's two youngest children. Might be worth getting them.
If Samuel was the informant then his birthplace should be listed.
Ian C
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A good thought Ian I will keep that in mind for another angle but I suspect the info will come back "Yorkshire" which will not get us any further
Signal
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Looking for John possible father of Samuel who went / came to NZ
Here are the John TANFIELD possibilities so far : --
1. John Tanfield (brother of Samuel b.Thirsk 1841)
b. Thirsk, Yorkshire, England on 6 March 1844
p. Thomas Tanfield and Mary Simpson.
d. 07 Dec 1868 in on "Queen Bee"on voyage to NZ.
This first John is actually the brother of Samuel of Thisk and is only included in this list for elimination purposes and as he was referred to by Ian & Lucy
2. John Tanfield
b. Northallerton, Yorkshire, England on 1797
p. John Tanfield and Jane Bumby.
d. 02 Nov 1887 in Yorkshire, England.
3. John Tanfield
b. Thirsk, England, UK on 27 May 1798
p. Robert Tanfield and Rachel Waine.
m. Ann Jackson
11 children.
d. 24 March 1865 in Guisborough, Yorkshire North Riding
4. John Tanfield
b. Thormanby, Yorkshire, England on 14 June 1763
p. William Tanfield and Alice Webster.
m. Jane Bumby
9 children.
d. 12 Dec 1850 in Northallerton,Yorkshire - North Riding, North Yorkshire,
5. John Tanfield
b. Thirsk, Yorkshire, England on 1795
p. Robert Tanfield and Rachel Waine.
m. Sarah Exelby and had 5 children.
d. July 1874 in Sheffield, Yorkshire West Riding.
6. John Tanfield
b. Gate Helmsley, , Yorkshire, England on 1801.
m. Sarah Exelby.
d. January 1865 in Guisborough, Yorkshire North Riding.
7. John Tanfield
b. Kirkby Malzeard, Yorkshire, England abt 1832
p. John Tanfield and Rebecca Cundall.
m.. Ann Beck.
8. John A Tanfield
b. England on 8 March 1805.
m.. Mary Ann Overs
10 children. d. 16 Feb 1870.
9. John Tanfield
b. Bradford West Yorkshire England on 1813.
m. Ann Hutchinson
2 children. (John Tanfield b. Little Horton, Bradford, on 1837 Apr 30)
d. 1857.
10. John Tanfield
b. Healey, Yorkshire, England on abt 1788.
2 children.
11. John Tanfield
b. Aysgarth, Yorkshire, England on 1811.
d. 1891 in Aysgarth, Yorkshire, England.
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John TANFIELD is not emerging from the shadows leaving Thomas & Mary TANFIELD as front-runners.
Here is a photo of granddaughter of Samuel in Auckland about 1954
Not sure how to correct the title below photo it is not Kate
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Nuffin' wrong with casting a search for the mysterious "John" TANFIELD, Signal ... (indeed, the process of elimination plays - or should play - a big part in properly researching, anything). :)
My "money" was always on Thomas and Mary, though. ;D
Nice photo !
~ Lu
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Thanks tireless Lucy :)
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Still waiting for the money Lucy .... who is your bookmaker?
For the rest of you
There are three living persons in NZ, descendants of Samuel, who have taken Ance$try DNA tests. (None of them named TANFIELD) I'm now hoping the UK connection I have recently found may turn up a match of 4th cousins. Otherwise John becomes again more likely.
Signal
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Still waiting for the money Lucy .... who is your bookmaker?
Unhappily, had to sack him some time ago. ;D
) I'm now hoping the UK connection I have recently found may turn up a match of 4th cousins. Otherwise John becomes again more likely.
(I feel a song coming on ... )
Oh no John ... no John ... no John ... No ...
I do so wish you the best with your continuing search, Signal. :)
~ Lu
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Earlier photo was cropped from photo of Kate TANFIELD and her daughter Esma GREEN and the two were transposed. :-[ I have relabelled it I think. :-\
Here is the real Kate TANFIELD
(The shoulder to the left is Esma )
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Gravestone photo attached.
John died on the ship.
Ian C
for the record Papers Past has
Daily Southern Cross 9 January 1869 Page 2
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ARRIVAL OF THE SHIP QUEEN BEE FROM LONDON. The clipper ship Queen Bee, 726 tons, Captain John Leslie, anchored off Rangitoto about six o'clook last evening, after a smart passage of 99 days from the Downs. The Queen Bee left the Downs on the 1st of October, with forty-one passengers...
We regret to state that during the voyage two of the passengers died— Alexander Forgie, on the 12th November, of dropsy in the chest and John Townfield, on December 7, of consumption.
Signal
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Wow she looks so similar to my great-grandmother Myra Tanfield. I am just looking now I think I have a photo with the family of this