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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: kentscouse on Sunday 23 October 22 18:42 BST (UK)
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Please can someone identify the regiment from the uniform or the cap badge?
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This is a long shot, but the height of the top part of the badge and the shape at the bottom might be,a big might!
The Kings’s Liverpool Regt. Sometimes called The King’s Own.
One at least might have been in the Mesopotamia Campaign ,Pith Helmet.
The badge of the KOLR is a horse rearing up. The White Horse of Hanover.
Underneath a ribbon with K.L.R or K.O.L.R.
Must look at my Dad’s stuff ,he was in the 7/10th.
Viktoria.
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Hi Victoria you could be correct here. My Great grandfather pictured top row 3rd from right was born and lived in Liverpool. His brother also served in the KLR and was killed in battle in WW1.
I can’t find any service records though of my Grt Grandfather William Hamilton Burton serving in the KLR
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This is a long shot, but the height of the top part of the badge and the shape at the bottom might be,a big might!
The Kings’s Liverpool Regt. Sometimes called The King’s Own.
One at least might have been in the Mesopotamia Campaign ,Pith Helmet.
The badge of the KOLR is a horse rearing up. The White Horse of Hanover.
Underneath a ribbon with K.L.R or K.O.L.R.
Must look at my Dad’s stuff ,he was in the 7/10th.
Viktoria.
As Administrator of the King's Liverpool Regt Facebook Group
I am extremely Offended you are telling people that the King's Liverpool Regt
was sometimes known as the King's Own
None of the KLR went to Mesopotania
They also never had a 7/10th Btn
Do you mean your Relative was in the Liverpool Scottish of the KLR ?
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My error,my father was in 2/7 th King’s Liverpool Regiment .
He had two numbers ,first8278 then 269558,reporting at Manchester Town Hall 2nd Sept 1916.
I think he was in The Derby Scheme.
I did post a correction after looking at his papers from 7/10th to 2/7th.
I am sorry you are so easily offended ,it was a simple error of memory corrected asap.
I must look for my correction .I did post one .
Viktoria.
Just checked and on October 23rd at 22-20 I self corrected ,it is in my list of posts .V
P.S. I did not correct your errors ,ie a capital letter for offended and it is Mespotamia not Mesopotania,meaning the land between two rivers ,l consider
it impolite to correct others’errors generally but if I do I am polite .
I understand you corrected in the interests of accuracy , but you are specialised in this particular subject ,a simple correction would have sufficed to inform a non specialist such as myself , but I thank you for the correct information ,pity it was so curt .
Viktoria.
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Well said Viktoria. Although nuance can be lost or misinterpreted via email etc, there was no doubt about an unwarranted rude response!
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I would rule out the King's Liverpool Regiment. The badge shape is not their horse.
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Thanks,it does look rather high having looked at it a few more times.
I can ‘t get a clear image though.
The double Christian name might be the stumbling block , it might be seen as a double barrelled surname try one then the other . He will be listed somewhere.
‘ I can find my Dad , but not always - he seems not to be in true alphabetical order each time but that could be me!
Look under Hamilton and then Burton . hopefully you might find him .
Let us know how you go on. Viktoria.
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It’s not a double Christian name, Hamilton was his middle name. So William Hamilton Burton. I was always told he was in the KLR same as his Brother John Henry who died in the Great War.
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From the shape of the badge, it could be RAMC
https://www.regimentalbadges.com/upload/images/shopprod/20379/royal-army-medical-corps-volunteers-edwardian-cap-badge-circa-1901-08_20379_catalogue_list_size2.jpg
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I meant a double surname so he could be listed under H or B .
I understand a middle name to be most often a second Christian name such as John David , I assume you have searched under both H and B?
Best of luck.
Viktoria.
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I meant a double surname so he could be listed under H or B .
I understand a middle name to be most often a second Christian name such as John David , I assume you have searched under both H and B?
Best of luck.
Viktoria.
Hope this close up helps a bit.
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Thank you. I’m still trying to get a closer image of the cap badge for a relative who has the original photo. I’ve searched William Hamilton Burton on the military records but there is too many to confirm which regiment he could have been in. The badge ID may help a lot.
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At least one member of The King's (Liverpool Regiment) served in Mesopotamia (albeit "attached to the 6th Loyal North Lancashire Regiment"). i.e. Captain Oswald Austin Reid who won the VC there.
https://www.gov.uk/government/case-studies/ww1-south-african-vc-recipient-oswald-austin-reid
My point here is not to get involved in the matter of the giving and taking of unintended offence. Rather, that whilst the Regiment might not have deployed there as a formed unit, it nevertheless had at least one person in theatre - Captain Reid likely being the most high profile case in point.
Getting back to the original query, the photo is understandably a bit faded/unclear but I wonder if the cap badge is that of The East Lancashire Regiment ? If you google this and look at some example images, the general outline and shape of the badges are quite similar to those in the photo. Also, the Wikipedia entry for the Regiment mentions their 6th Battalion served in Mesopotamia from "February 1916 - 1918". The Regiment also won the battle honour of "Mesopotamia, 1916-17" confirming their deployment there (along with battle honours for Gallipoli, Rumani, Egypt, Tigris Kut al Amara, and other places between 1915-1917).
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Lancashire_Regiment
'The East Lancashire Regiment' also retains the geographical connection to the county that has been discussed so far.
Good luck with your research !
Simon
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Would that be The 11th East Lancs?
The Accrington Pals?
They served in Mesopotamia, I think, prior to going to The Somme , where they were almost all killed on the first morning .I have the Roll of Honour for the Accrington area,street after street and more than one in some houses killed .
Their simple memorial is an Accrington brick wall just by the bivouac trench they occupied the night before .
A wonderful book “ Covenant with Death” by John Harris is about pals who all join up together,and are wiped out on the first day of “The Somme “.
Viktoria.
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Hi, Viktoria,
The East Lancashire Regiment is the regiment's name and then during hostilities regiments typically expand to gain additional battalions. Generally, they will all wear the same cap badge though there are always exceptions to the rule depending on things such as recruiting areas, antecedents, etc.
If you look at the Wikipedia link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Lancashire_Regiment
you will see the 11th Battalion you referred to served in Egypt and The Western Front. So, they were distinct from the 6th Battalion - but each was still a part of The East Lancashire Regiment.
I suspect there were men from the former who served in the latter, and vice versa. And, as mentioned by others, people could be, and were, simply transferred between battalions and other regiments when manpower demands made this necessary.
ATB
Simon
PS do not forget though that I think the cap badge might be that of The East Lancashire Regiment but I could be wrong. A better scan of the photo (if available) could resolve this.
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Thankyou, the book I mentioned was of the Sheffield Pals “Covenant With Death”by John Harris ,first published in 1961.
Well a person from Sheffield who had done a lot of research said it was an amalgamation of many memoirs but the actual postings etc follow The Sheffield Pals , many were journalists.
Thankyou.
Viktoria.
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I meant a double surname so he could be listed under H or B .
I understand a middle name to be most often a second Christian name such as John David , I assume you have searched under both H and B?
Best of luck.
Viktoria.
Hope this close up helps a bit. Next photo badge very alike 5th Batt Lancs Regiment
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https://archive.org/details/britisharmycapba0000doyl/mode/2up