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Title: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 27 October 22 12:06 BST (UK)
Abraham Townsend appears on the 1841 census in Abingdon prison. His age is given as 45, his occupation is weaver and he is born in county. He seems to have been committed for assaulting his wife according to newspaper articles and was unable to provide £10 surety so was jailed for a short time.
In 1851 he is living in Otwell street Abingdon, listed as married, but wife not living with him (unsurprisingly), his age is 61 (b abt 1790), he is a carpet weaver, born in Abingdon, and is deaf. I cannot find him on 1861 census, but I believe he died in Abingdon in 1869, burial 31 Jan 1869, residence Ock Street age 79 - birth year again abt 1790.
Can anyone find his wife or parents please?
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: rosie17 on Thursday 27 October 22 12:50 BST (UK)
Not found a baptism or marriage so far but this looks like him on the 1861 census transcribed as
Abraham Towend on ancestry age 72  birth year about 1789
piece 732 folio 27 page 5

Rosie
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 27 October 22 12:59 BST (UK)
Thank you that does look like him
After my post I found a Sarah M Townsend in 1851, married but no husband with her, with two sons, one named Abraham. There is a death for a Sarah Townsend in 1856 in Abingdon, which would fit with Abraham being a widower by 1861. I can't find baptisms for the children to confirm their father, though.
Piece 1688, Folio 243, Page 3
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: rosie17 on Thursday 27 October 22 13:24 BST (UK)
Yes did see that record a lot of trees on ancestry has a marriage 15 August 1826 St Helens Abingdon
Sarah Maria Payton
Archibald Townsend

Still looking to confirm  ???

Rosie
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: jomcd967 on Thursday 27 October 22 13:25 BST (UK)
No baptism, but a Matthew Townsend married Mary Ann Robinson, 1862, Abingdon, his father listed as Abraham.

1841 Abingdon
Sarah Townsend 40 Hair bonnet maker, bic
Matthew 12 bic
Abraham 9 bic
Charles 7 bic

1851 Abingdon
Sarah M Townsend 52 bonnet maker, born Abingdon
Frederick, son, 23, tin man, born Abingdon
Abraham, son, 20, apprentice, born Abingdon
Elizabeth North, no relationship listed, unmarried, 51, born Abingdon

Jo  :)

Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: jomcd967 on Thursday 27 October 22 13:30 BST (UK)
Charles Townsend, full age, bachelor, coachman, father Abraham Townsend, weaver married
Harriet Thatcher, 1863 at Luton, Christ Church

Jo  :)
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: rosie17 on Thursday 27 October 22 13:31 BST (UK)
No baptism, but a Matthew Townsend married Mary Ann Robinson, 1862, Abingdon, his father listed as Abraham.

1841 Abingdon
Sarah Townsend 40 Hair bonnet maker, bic
Matthew 12 bic
Abraham 9 bic
Charles 7 bic

1851 Abingdon
Sarah M Townsend 52 bonnet maker, born Abingdon
Frederick, son, 23, tin man, born Abingdon
Abraham, son, 20, apprentice, born Abingdon
Elizabeth North, no relationship listed, unmarried, 51, born Abingdon

Jo  :)




Yes I would say thats the family

Rosie
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 27 October 22 13:39 BST (UK)
Thank you all, I was trying to track down Sarah's children after 1851, the two marriages naming Abraham as father fit nicely.
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: rosie17 on Thursday 27 October 22 13:50 BST (UK)
Not having much luck with baptisms or marriage but would say that's the correct family

Rosie
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: LizzieL on Thursday 27 October 22 15:12 BST (UK)
No baptism, but a Matthew Townsend married Mary Ann Robinson, 1862, Abingdon, his father listed as Abraham.

1841 Abingdon
Sarah Townsend 40 Hair bonnet maker, bic
Matthew 12 bic
Abraham 9 bic
Charles 7 bic



In 1881 Matthew and Mary Ann Townsend have a niece Agnes Townsend b Culham Oxon abt 1878 living with them. Looks like she is the one reg with mmn Thatcher, so these Charles's daughter.
There is a Matthew Townsend died Abingdon district 1855 age 85. Could be connected as Abraham named first child Matthew.
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: rosie17 on Thursday 27 October 22 19:06 BST (UK)
No baptism, but a Matthew Townsend married Mary Ann Robinson, 1862, Abingdon, his father listed as Abraham.

1841 Abingdon
Sarah Townsend 40 Hair bonnet maker, bic
Matthew 12 bic
Abraham 9 bic
Charles 7 bic



In 1881 Matthew and Mary Ann Townsend have a niece Agnes Townsend b Culham Oxon abt 1878 living with them. Looks like she is the one reg with mmn Thatcher, so these Charles's daughter.
There is a Matthew Townsend died Abingdon district 1855 age 85. Could be connected as Abraham named first child Matthew.

According to some trees this Mathew Townsend is a half brother of Abraham no baptism to  confirm .But did see that Mathew Townsend was also in Ock Street on the 1851 census

Rosie
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: amondg on Friday 28 October 22 06:15 BST (UK)
The son Abraham Townsend death registered Abingdon 1853 age 22
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: amondg on Friday 28 October 22 07:19 BST (UK)
Your family seems to belong to St Helen's Parish

The records for St Helen's in Abingdon are still held by the church

Contact
The Church Office
St Helen's Court
Abingdon, OX14 5BS

administrator@sthelens-abingdon.org.uk

Tel 01235 520144 

ADDED
The Oxfordshire Family History Society has transcriptions
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 28 October 22 08:04 BST (UK)
Thank you, I'd forgotten Abingdon was now in Oxfordshire, I'll look to see if OFHS covers the period I want. I have a DNA match to a descendant of Abraham Townsend through their son Charles, but she does not have any parents for Abraham on her tree. I am trying to link him to my Townsends from the same area, but I have about two generations missing
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: ribbo39 on Friday 28 October 22 12:20 BST (UK)
Hi LizzieL,

There is a marriage  of Abraham Townsend to Sarah Maria Payton 15-8-1826 in Abingdon St.Helen.

Any use for you?

Alan
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 28 October 22 12:27 BST (UK)
Hi LizzieL,

There is a marriage  of Abraham Townsend to Sarah Maria Payton 15-8-1826 in Abingdon St.Helen.

Any use for you?

Alan

Thank you that confirms what some other trees have and fits with the Sarah found on censuses. Are there any witnesses mentioned, please?
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: ribbo39 on Friday 28 October 22 12:41 BST (UK)


Sorry to say - no witnesses shown.

To add, there are baptisms as follows which may be of interest in Abingdon St.Helens;
6-12-1778 Abraham Townsend s/o Mathhew & Jane, labr

2-8-1789       "               "         "   Matthew & Elizth, Labr

2-6-1811       "                "         "  Matthew, jnr & Elizth, weaver

31-5-1801 Ann Payton  d/o William & Francis, Tailor
     "          Sarah Maria   "       "             "          "  15mnths


Alan
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: ribbo39 on Friday 28 October 22 12:46 BST (UK)

There are these burials - all Abingdon St.Helens;
Abraham Townsend 7-5-1779 s/o Matthew & Jane
      "              "       9-12-1831 Ock Street, aged 19 yrs
      "              "       21-4-1853 Stert Street, aged 22 Thames Street (Drowned)
      "              "       31-1-1869 Ock Street, aged 79

Sarah Townsend      9-11-1856 (aged 56) Stert St.
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 28 October 22 15:07 BST (UK)
Thank you Alan
So it looks as if the Abraham who was the father of Charles was the one baptised in 1789 to Matthew and Elizabeth.

The Matthew who died in 1855 aged 85 (b abt 1770) was probably the father of Abraham (b1811 d 1831) and known as Matthew jnr, so likely to be son of Matthew and Jane.

If Jane died and Matthew snr remarried Elizabeth, then Matthew jnr would be half brother of Abraham (1789) as some trees have.


Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: LizzieL on Friday 28 October 22 15:19 BST (UK)
I've found a marriage of a Matthew to a Jane Leonard in 1770 in Abingdon.
Title: Re: Looking for baptism and marriage of Abraham Townsend
Post by: ribbo39 on Saturday 29 October 22 05:17 BST (UK)
 Hi LizzieL,

 The only burial for Jane Townsend I can see is;
 bur. 15-7-1881 of Queen Street, aged 39 Abingdon St.Helens.


There is also this baptisms for reference;
3-5-1827 Frederick Townsend s/o Abraham & Sarah Maria, Barberm Broad Street - Abingdon St.Helens.

Looking for the bapt. of Jane Leonard I found these;
1-10-1722 Jane Lenard d/o William & Jane, weaver

10-3-1739 Jane Lenard d/o Jerem [sic] & Catherine, sackwaever bur. 9-12
21-4-1747   "        "       "       "       "            "         weaver

but so far as marriages of these Jane's  are concerned, they married as follows;
1-1-1740      Samuel Hoser, labr
29-7-1770    Matthew Townsend ( as you already know)
20-12-1801  John Midwinter
4-9-1812      John Kay

Alan