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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: kimhulme on Monday 31 October 22 16:52 GMT (UK)
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Hi. I don't want to go to a lot of trouble finding out who would like this postcard; they're welcome to it. It must add to someone's family history? I think it was 'Mumsie' rather than Muriel? Cheers.
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Info only, c/o Mr Hands* is Mr Frederick George Handscomb who occupied 20 High St, Bishop's Stortford.
John
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Realise now that the card is addressed to Pte F G (private - miltary - in digs?)
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I think it does say Mumsie. It looks like a child sending the card from St Albans to his / her father who was lodging in Bishops Stortford and is referring to his /her mother. The nickname Dimples makes me think the writer is more likely a girl. The address has been written in a different, more adult hand
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Dimples is rather sweet.
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MRI has an entry for Frederick G Willers Private - Army Service Corps
Reg number M2/155852
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The only F G I can find of the right age to have served in WW1 was a Frederick George b abt 1888, death reg 1968 in Chipping Norton, Oxon. He may be the one (occupation chauffeur) who married in 1924 as a widower to Jessie Barbara McCallum and baptised in Mitcham, Surrey s/o as Frederick George s/o William Henry Albert and Lucy Charlotte Willers (father's name same on baptism and marriage record).
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Looks like William Henry A Willers married Lucy Charlotte Kilby in Q2 1888, Croydon district which covers Mitcham
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My own take on this.
Frederick George Willers born c1887/8
1st Marriage to Annie A (Agnes) Pepler sq 1913******** died dq 1923 aged 34**** Mumsie
Daughter Joan Annie Agnes Willers born jq 1914****** Dimples***marries 1934-Turley
5 Turley/Willers births 1935-53
Death of Thomas Osborne Turley 1977
Joan is with her paternal grandparents in 1921
Joan on 1939 register
Joan remarries 1982 -Jones
Joan dies 1992 with same dob as 1939 register.
Frederick remarries Jessie B McCullum
John
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My own take on this.
Frederick George Willers born c1887/8
1st Marriage to Annie A (Agnes) Pepler sq 1913******** died dq 1923 aged 34**** Mumsie
Daughter Joan Annie Agnes Willers born jq 1914****** Dimples***marries 1934
Frederick remarries Jessie B McCullum
John
I found that 1st marriage and birth of daughter, but she would only be 3 when the card was written. It looks to me as if the child who wrote it would be a bit older.
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LizzieL, they were my thoughts as well but I have written many a card on behalf of one of my sons when they were young to their mum with writing that tried to appear if it was a child writing it :)
John
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LizzieL, they were my thoughts as well but I have written many a card on behalf of one of my sons when they were young to their mum with writing that tried to appear if it was a child writing it :)
John
Oh, I never thought that Mumsie might have forged it ! ;D
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Looking at it more closely there is some similarity between the message and address. The "r" s look too adult. Maybe the child just did the line of "x"s. A three year old could do that
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5 Turley/Willers births 1935-53
Oldest Turley child (male) married in 1968 and had two children
Second (female) married 1964, possibly children. There are a couple of other marriages around the same time with same surname combination
I think the third (female) married in 1967. Possibly children, but again there are other marriages with the same combination of surnames
Fourth (female) married in 1971. Possibly children, again there are other marriages with the same combination of surnames
Fifth (female) married 1972. I think there are two children
Potentially quite a lot of descendants of Dimples if we have the right child
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The aim was to find a someone related to the writer/receiver of the card. It seems that some satisfaction is being gained by researchers here. Good for you (family history research is always interesting) When it comes to what we called our parents, mine were Mummy and Daddy until sometime it changed to Mother and Father (and sometimes, possibly for an effect, Alice and John) Could Mumsie be how 'she' referred to herself for the child's benefit?, just as much, to a certain extent, as calling the child Dimples. When I checked the S I T there was Willer but no Willers.