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Evening Guys
I am really struggling with this one. I have been given some information from my parent with names and dates but they are not sure how they connect and I have been searching but have had no joy.
These are what i have been given and any help would be grateful.
Margaret McClean Hunter married Murdoch Munro on 29th Jan 1902 in Glasgow
Murdoch Munro born c24th August 1873 and his father Alexander Munro May 16th no year County of Ross
Alexander Easton Hunter married Annie in 1905, his birth 17th May 1876 place unknown. They had two children William and Annie.
William Hunter married Sarah Stenhouse have a year of 1875 and nothing else.
Ray
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www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk is the main site for info re BMD. Scottish BMD certs give details of mother plus her maiden name & for the period you mention you can download them
It is a pay per view only by purchase of credits - not a subscription site
Have you looked for the people you mention on censuses?
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No marriage in 1905 for the people you mention. An Alexander Halli...... Hunter married an Annie Campbell Gordon
No Hunter/Munro marriage in 1902
No birth for an Alexander Easton Hunter in Scotland or England
The Hunter/Stenhouse marriage in 1875 is available on Scotlands People
Where did your parent get the info from and how are the names connected to your FH?
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Alexander Easton Hunter was I think the son of William Hunter and Sarah Stenhouse. His birth is showing in New Monkland, Lanarkshire in 1876.
I suspect that in 1881 the family are living in New Monkland
William Hunter 28 b Falkirk
Sarah Hunter 27 b East Lothian
Alexander 4
Celia 1 probably Cecilia
William 1 mo
Sarah Stenhouse Hunter died 1 June 1885 of bronchitis in Bathgate. SP index gives her mother's maiden name as Wilson. It looks like William remarried.
I think Alexander Easton Hunter married Annie McPheat in New Monkland in 1897, not 1906. ( An Ancestry tree has the marriage cert. attached).
William
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This might be the marriage from 1902 in Glasgow?
Murdo MUNRO and Margaret MCLEAN (not Hunter?)
1902
644/11 48
Hutchesontown
Monica
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From the details posted by William above, looks like a mining family. Alexander's birth place is showing specifically as West Longrigg in 1881 (the birth cert will let you confirm full details). Just some further details here https://canmore.org.uk/site/85465/west-longrigg
Monica
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Murdoch Munro born c24th August 1873 and his father Alexander Munro May 16th no year County of Ross
Maybe this birth:
Murdoch Munro
Birth 24 Aug 1873 at Tarbat By Fearn, Ross and Cromarty
Father: Alexander Munro
Mother: Margaret Mckenzie
Possible entry for 1881:
Alexander Munro 30 farm servant, b. Lochbroom (G), Rossshire
Margaret Munro 27 b. Contin (G), Rossshire
Murdo Munro 8 b. Tarbat
Margaret Munro 6
Christina Munro 3
Georgina Munro 2
Address: Northfield, Rosskeen, R&C
Monica
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Ray, how do these names connect to you and family?
Monica
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I think Alexander Easton Hunter married Annie McPheat in New Monkland in 1897, not 1906. ( An Ancestry tree has the marriage cert. attached).
Yes - they're in Bathgate in 1901 with children William and Annie, and sister in law Jeannie McPheat
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Firstly these names are connected to my mother's side of the family.
Secondly I have looked at Scotland people but don't have spare money for the credits.
Thirdly I tried looking up information about all these people including censuses but nothing would come up.
Thanks all for the information and can I ask was it just Scotland people u guys used or other sites too?
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can I ask was it just Scotland people u guys used or other sites too?
There are lots of sites that have indexes and transcriptions (some very unreliable indeed).
https://www.familysearch.org/en/ has indexes to births and marriages, but it is incomplete.
https://freecen1.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl has (better) transcriptions of some of the census, but is also very incomplete.
The indexes at Scotland's People (SP) are free to search, as is the LDS transcription of the 1881 census.
SP is the only site where all the originals are available.
See https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=714261.0
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Thank u IL have a look at the sites 😊
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Hi guys
I need some help as i am confused, and my family don't talk much.
My mum is Margaret Hunter b c1948 Bathgate and her parents are Murdoch Munro b c1873 Ross and Cromarty and Margaret McClean b c1875 don't know place of birth but they married in Hutchesontown. So if mother is McClean how come my mum a Hunter struggling to find information.
I am trying to find connection and any siblings.
And before any of u wonderful people ask I have been looking on all sites and i cant find any information.
Ray
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Hi Ray
Possible that Margaret McLean was actually your mother's grandmother? Margaret McLean and Murdo Munro, as we had earlier, married in 1902.
This is your mother's birth on the index:
MARGARET MCLEAN HUNTER
1948
662/1 29
Bathgate
An Alexander Hunter Easton married a Margaret Anabel Munro in 1930 in Bathgate (ref 662/1 48).
I think you are on the right lines just missing some generations likely. These need to be confimed.
I would guess that you will find that:
Alexander Easton Hunter and Annie McPheat are likely parents of the Alexander who married Margaret Munro in 1930.
Possibly that Margaret Annabel Munro would be the daughter of Murdo Munro and Margaret McLean.
Details on these parents were discussed above. The more you work in to the 20th century, the harder it gets to view on line records on Scotlands People due to privacy etc.
Monica
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Just to confirm, a clip from that 1930 marriage. Details as we have been discussing:
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Just looking at the death index on SP.
This looks to be your grandfather's death?
Alexander Easto HUNTER
Age 78
Mother's maiden name MCPHEAT
1983
705/ 176
Bathgate
And this would be the death of an uncle to you?
Alexander Easto HUNTER
Age 82
Mother's maiden name MUNRO
2013
774/ 291
Bathgate
A couple of more deaths showing for likely uncles to you. William Easton Hunter, 77, in 2012. Also Duncan Hunter, 71, in 2003. These are the obvious options, both in Bathgate. There are some more potentially showing elsewhere.
Monica
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And maternal grandmother's death from the index:
MARGARET ANNABE HUNTER
Age 65
Mother's maiden name MCLEAN
1974
705/ 31
Bathgate
Monica
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Thanks Monica I appreciate the information.
I need to try and find siblings now
Thanks
Ray
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Good evening all
I am looking for some information on Margaret Hunter born 1948.
I am looking to find out who her parents were, I believe them to be Alexander Easton Hunter who married Margaret Munro. She had three brothers named Alexander, William and Duncan but i am unsure of dates.
Ray
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Hi Ray
From what you have mentioned, Margaret Hunter was your mother?
From earlier, we have these birth details for her:
MARGARET MCLEAN HUNTER
1948
662/1 29
Bathgate
What sort of information are you looking for now with your latest post?
Monica
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Am I right to assume that your mother has passed, Ray?
We can't discuss living people on the forums to protect people's privacy.
Monica
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No she hasnt but her brothers have passed.
It is her parents Im looking for
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It is her parents Im looking for
You need to order your mothers' birth cert. online at scotlandspeople.gov.uk to find out what info. is recorded regarding her parents.
Those details fall within the 100 yrs privacy rule & are not available online although they are searchable at the scotlandspeople centre (only).
Annie
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If her parents were as we have been discussing, you have now their 1930 marriage record and their parents' details. We also have her father's death from the index in 1983 and mother Margaret's death in 1976 above.
Brothers:
Alexader died 2013, aged 82.
Duncan died 2003, aged 71.
William died 2012, aged 77.
None of these records are available to view online as they are too recent. You would need to order them to gain further info.
Monica
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I'd suggest you purchase the birth cert. of your mother to be 100% clear on what info. was provided as there's no substitute for it.
I've added approx. yrs of birth for her 'brothers'...
Brothers:
Alexander d 2013 aged 82 (1931)
Duncan d 2003 aged 71 (1932)
William d 2012 aged 77 (1935)
There's a big gap between brother William b1935 & your mother born b1948, were there other siblings too?
Annie
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Hi Annie
I don't believe there were any others.
thanks again
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Hi guys
I was wondering if anyone can help me.
I am looking for information on William Hunter, apparently he remarried after his wife Sarah Stenhouse died. Can anyone help me?
Ray
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I see that Sarah died in Bathgate in 1885, aged 31.
In 1881 William and Sara had a daughter Celia, aged 1.
In 1891, in Torphichen, is a family consisting of William Hunter, 38, born Falkirk; wife Elizabeth, 36, born Airdrie; children including Celia, 12, born Roughrigg, Lanarkshire and four under-5s; John, Barbara, Edward and George.
Barbara Gillespie Hunter, mother's maiden name McPhite, died in Uphall in 2008 aged 92.
George Easton Hunter died in Bathgate in 1915 aged 24, mmn McPheat.
Elizabeth Easton Hunter died in Edinburgh in 1980 aged 87, mmn McPheat.
William Hunter married Elizabeth McPheat in New Monkland in 1885.
The original documents at Scotland's People will confirm whether I'm on the right lines or not.
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Hi
I know William and Sarah had three children Celia, Alexander b 1876 and William birth unknown.
Alexander was married to an Annie McPheat so am wondering if Annie and Elizabeth were related???
Ray
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Elizabeth McPheat or Hunter, mmn Gillespie, died in Edinburgh in 1914 aged 54. Noting that her first daughter was named Barbara Gillespie, she has to be the daughter of William McFeat and Barbara Gillespie. I can't find her birth or baptism, but three younger siblings were born in New Monkland; Thomas 1855, John 1857 and Margaret 1859.
Elizabeth, 7, is the sixth of nine children to William McF and Barbara G, listed in New Monkland in the 1861 census. The three younger ones are as listed above.
Annie McPheat married Alexander Hunter in 1897 in New Monkland. There are four deaths of Hunters, mmn McPheat, born 1897 to 1917. One of these was William Easton Hunter, aged 85, in West Calder in 1983. There's a birth of William Easton Hunter in Bathgate in 1898.
In the 1901 census in Bathgate are Alexander E Hunter with wife Annie, 30, born East Longrigg with William, 3; Annie 1, and Jeanie McPheat, sister, 12, born East Longrigg.
In 1891 there's a family in New Monkland including William McPheat, 40, born New Monkland, with wife Annie and a whole string of children including Annie, 20 and Jane, 2. They are the family of William McPheat and Annie McMillan. There's also an Edward, which is useful because it is not one of the commonest names in Scotland and it occurs among the other Hunter children.
In 1851 there is a six-month-old William McFeat in the family of William McFeat and Barbara Gillespie in the census in New Monkland.
So I think that Annie McFeat/McPheat, wife of Alexander Hunter, was the niece of Elizabeth McPheat/McFeat/McPhite, daughter of Elizabeth's older brother William.
Do not, however, take this as certain. I could easily have got it wrong. You must check it out by getting the two Hunter/McPheat marriage certificates and the marriage certificate of William McFeat and Annie McMillan.
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Thanks Forfarian for getting this information.
I have now come across some information which is hard to read but have made out some info as below:
Alexander Hunter married to Caroline Davidson has a son (William???) born 18th March 1853 and was baptised. Witnesses are William Hunter and Jean Christie.
I am thinking that the son above maybe the William that married Sarah Stenhouse and Elizabeth McPheat. Can anyone help clarify this for me?
Ray
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Alexander Hunter married to Caroline Davidson has a son (William???) born 18th March 1853 and was baptised. Witnesses are William Hunter and Jean Christie.
I am thinking that the son above maybe the William that married Sarah Stenhouse and Elizabeth McPheat. Can anyone help clarify this for me?
There is a death of William Hunter, mmn Davidson, in Bothwell in 1884, aged 32. As 'your' William Hunter married for the second time in 1885, this is obviously not the same William Hunter.
(But you would need to get the death certificate to check whether or not this one is the son of Alexander H and Caroline Davidson. The index does not tell you that.)
Also, the census extract already listed in Reply#3 says that Sarah Stenhouse's huband was born in Falkirk, and the baptism above is in Fetteresso, which is nowhere near Falkirk.
If you are referring to original records, you should always take note of, and quote, the parish or district in which the event was recorded. No-one would expect you to know where Fetteresso is in relation to Falkirk, but please always include all available information when seeking assistance.
There is only one way to find out for certain who the parents of William Hunter were, and that is to get one of his marriage certificates from Scotland's People.
(There is a death of a William Easton Hunter, aged 52, in Bathgate in 1906, who is probably yours, but the index does not list his mother's maiden name.)
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Hi Forfarin
The document come from family members when they tried doing the family history themselves so can not provide the parish etc.
Now i was wondering if you could clarify the William Hunter and Barbara Gillespie marriage and where they came into the family as i am a bit confused on these?
Ray
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Now i was wondering if you could clarify the William Hunter and Barbara Gillespie marriage and where they came into the family as i am a bit confused on these?
Barbara Gillespie was the wife of William McFeat/McPheat, not the wife of William Hunter.
I think that she was the mother of Elizabeth McFeat/McPheat, who married William Hunter, and grandmother of Annie McPheat/McFeat, who married Alexander Hunter, but you will have to get the certificates to be sure of that.
One way to resolve your confusion is to get a family history progam and put into it all the information you have, then you will be able to see who was related how to whom and what information is missing or needs to be verified. There are various basic programs available free of charge - search online for 'free genealogy programs'.
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Thanks for clarifying the information
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In 1851 there is a six-month-old William McFeat in the family of William McFeat and Barbara Gillespie in the census in New Monkland.
So I think that Annie McFeat/McPheat, wife of Alexander Hunter, was the niece of Elizabeth McPheat/McFeat/McPhite, daughter of Elizabeth's older brother William.
Can anyone help me locate William as he wasnt on 1871 census and i can't locate 1861 census on my end?
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Which subscription site are you using to look for census info?
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Been using Findmypast, freecen, and any other ones that show census except scotlandpeople as dont have credits for it
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I was wondering if anyone can confirm some information on Annie McMillan.
I believe she was born in 1852 to a John McMillan and Jane Gow in Dumbarton.
Thanks
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According to the 1871, 1881 and 1891 census, William McPheat's wife Annie, who I have suggested is Ann(ie) M(a)cMillan, was born in about 1850 in Glasgow. Not in Dumbarton.
In the deaths index there is an Annie McMillan, other surname McPheat, aged 60, mother's maiden surname Cameron, in New Monkland in 1909.
The only way to be sure what the names of her parents were is to look at either the marriage certificate or the death certificate (the marriage certificate is to be preferred because it will provide more information than the death certificate).
And that means that you will need to acquire and use some Scotland's People credits because there is no other way to get the authentic information, unless someone else has already used some credits to attach it to their tree.
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William mentioned at the beginning of the thread that there was an Ancestry family tree which included the original image from SP for the 1897 marriage of Alexander Hunter and Annie McPheat. A clip below from this confiming the details Forfarian has mentioned above for Annie McPheat's mother, Annie McMillan.
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Ray, i may be related to you. My great grandfather was Murdoch (or Murdo) Munro and my grandfather was Duncan. Some of the dates in the thread dont quite match up particularly the dates of death for Duncan and his siblings. I seem to remember my grandad having brothers and sisters who lived around Bathgate and Dechmont. Theres no one left on this side of the family for me to check with now and im relying on Scotlands People to trace anyone hints. Ancestry keeps trying to push me towards an Alexander as Murdochs father but as the hint is for a Canadian im having my doubts its correct though on his birth certificate its definelty Alexander ( all very confusing)