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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Angus (Forfarshire) => Topic started by: Ashnz on Friday 11 November 22 00:39 GMT (UK)
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Hi from New Zealand,
I am researching people who were possibly buried at the Camp Bay Quarantine Cemetery in Lyttelton Harbour here in New Zealand (no official burial list exists). I believe one of those likely buried there is Captain John Scott Paterson who died July 15, 1880. An inquest was held https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18800719.2.24?end_date=31-07-1880&items_per_page=10&query=John+Scott+Paterson&snippet=true&start_date=01-07-1880 (https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS18800719.2.24?end_date=31-07-1880&items_per_page=10&query=John+Scott+Paterson&snippet=true&start_date=01-07-1880). He was the captain of the ship Hudson which arrived at Lyttelton Harbour on June 23, 1880. He completed his qualification as master on May 13, 1873. I would like to find out who his parents were and if he was married and had any children. I have attached the information I have which says he was born in 1848 Montrose, Forfar Scotland.
Many thanks and best regards,
Ashley
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I've no idea how accurate this is but there's an online tree with a John Scott Paterson (born c 1848, Hamilton, Lanark with same death date but no place of death) with a wife named Rosanna Carlin although no date for the marriage.
There's this Marriage Index entry (scotlandspeople)
PATERSON JOHN / CARLIN ROSANN ANDERSON 1874
647/ 4 Hamilton
They also have a daughter named Sarah...
Born 16 Aug 1868 Hamilton, Lanark (which would be prior to the above marriage)
Death 7 Apr 1942 Boston, Massachusetts, USA
The only help there would be the MC which would give parents' names but there's no way of telling if it's the same John & the lack of a middle name/initial doesn't help.
Annie
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Use https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
Search options should be....Scotland.....1880...search terms.....Paterson Hudson.....
This is a pay-to-see site. You create an account, and pay to see the complete article.
Dundee Advertiser 19 July 1880 -
Yesterday Mr Scott, flasher here, received telegram informing him that his stepson. Captain J. S. Paterson, the ship Hudson, London, had been drowned at 'anterbury, N.Z. particulars the luclancholy occurrence have been received. Captain Paterson was in the prime of life, highly respected by his a ...
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Here is the item on Saturday, July 17, 1880, Publication: Evening Telegraph
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Some more detail, similar to the paperspast report, though it doesn't detail his family:
Thursday, Sept. 30, 1880
Publication: Evening Telegraph
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I can see a few references to a Mr Robert SCOTT, flesher of Montrose in the 1860s and 1870s. A possibility of John Scott PATERSON's step father. One item gives his business address as Ferry St. The business seems to be in charge of George SCOTT in later years.
I assume "flesher" is a butcher.
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You might expect to find a Will for John Scott PATERSON, died, 1880.........good work skills, wife, child.........absent from home in dangerous occupation etc.
Looking at Scotlandspeople, and Ancestry Probate Calendar, I do not see anything.
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LDS transcription of 1881 census at Scotland's People lists in Montrose Robert Scott, 51, flesher master, born Montrose, with wife Charlotte, 57: and sons George, 25; David H, 20; and Henry S, 18.
David Hislop Scott, born 28 December 1860, Montrose
Henry Steele Scott, born 14 July 1862, Montrose
Both being sons of Robert Scott and Charlotte Begg.
Charlotte Begg married John Paterson in Montrose in 1845 and Robert Scott in Montrose in 1853.
1851 census, Montrose lists Charlotte Paterson, sailor's widow with Robert, 4 and John 2, both born Montrose.
Charlotte Begg or Scott, mother's maiden name Gordon, died in Montrose in 1903 aged 81.
Originals of all these pieces of information area available at Scotland's People.
I imagine that John adopted the middle name of Scott when his mother remarried.
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That's great work Forfarian. I wonder who his wife and child were. Have had a quick look without success, might spend a bit longer on it today. :)
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https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
FreeBDM JunQ 1874 Islington Vol 1b page 585
FISH Elizabeth
MORRIS William
NOBLE Anne
PATERSON John Scott
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Use https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
Morning Post (London) 8 Apr 1874
... Finsbury-park. Patrrson— Noblb.— On the 3d inst., at tne Scotch Church _ HoUoway, bythe Rev. R. W. Mackersey, Captain J. Scott Paterson, tc Anne, sixth daughter of Mr. Hugh Noble for- merly of Montrose, and now of Gordon's Mill, near Inversror- don, Ross-shire ...
Looks like PATERSON-NOBLE marriage, 1874
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That's great wivenhoe.
I see John is listed in the 1861 and 1871 census as "John SCOTT" with Robert and Charlotte in Montrose. In 1871 his occupation is sailor.
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I see Anne PATERSON (27, widow) with father Hugh NOBLE in the 1881 at St Mary, Islington with a child Hugh PATERSON (3).
RG11/276/64 pg 19 &20
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Son Hugh's birth registration: As Hugh Noble SCOTT- PATERSON at Hackney Mar qtr 1878 (1b/198)
Baptised 3 March 1878 at St Mark, Tower Hamlets, parents John (seaman) and Anne of 8 Homer Terrace.
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It seems that Anne remarried to Percival Rourke TEEVAN Dec qtr 1887 Islington (1b /580). They are together with son Hugh in 1891 and 1901. Rourke TEEVAN (retired army Captain) born c1834 in Ireland.
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Gordon's Mill, near Inversror- don, Ross-shire ...
Probably Invergordon.
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1861 census: High Street, Montrose. Hugh Noble, baker, 46, born Croy, Inverness-shire, with wife Elizabeth, 41, born Brechin and eight children including Ann, 7, born Brechin.
Baptism of Anne, daughter of Hugh Noble and Elizabeth Robb, in Brechin on 11 September 1853.
Croy is the next parish to Culloden, just a few miles east of Inverness.
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Attached from the lists of British armed forces and overseas deaths.
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Thank you so much for the information - it was exactly what I was hoping for. I would like to use it as apart of his burial record and/or for a memorial headstone.
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It might be useful to know that 'Forfar' has three possible meanings.
One is the burgh (town) of Forfar
Which is in the parish of Forfar
Which is in the County of Angus, formerly sometimes known to officialdom as Forfarshire or the County of Forfar. (Calling it 'Forfar County' is always incorrect)
And that Montrose has two possible meanings
One is the burgh (town) of Montrose
Which is in the parish of Montrose
Which is in the County of Angus.
So if you intend to say unambiguously where John Scott Paterson was born, I would recommend that you use "Montrose, Angus". Not "Montrose, Forfar" as in the extract you posted at the start of the thread.
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That's interesting, thanks for explaining that Forfarian.
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I thought I'd post this for others who may be researching this family (or any other family in NZ) in the future...
Death Indexed here - (Using RC ShrinkLink) - http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nxh/
The above is not one of the best search facilities I've encountered as it's quite precise, years alone are not an option, they want day/month although broad ::)
Costs (I'm not sure if it's British £s or what) as it's not clear?
Product Unit Price
Death Certificate 33.00
Death printout from 1 Jan 1875 25.00
However, rather than have a 'print out' posted you can have it emailed.
Annie
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Death Indexed here - (Using RC ShrinkLink) - http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nxh/
The above is not one of the best search facilities I've encountered as it's quite precise, years alone are not an option, they want day/month although broad ::)
I've used this extensively and I agree that it's not all that user-friendly.
In particular the absence of wildcards or fuzzy searching means that there's a risk of missing information if names are strangely spelled or misindexed.
You don't need to put in an exact date but you do need to do dates in dd/mm/yyyy format, so I just use 01/01/yyyy to 31/12/yyyy. You can winkle out an exact date by repeatedly narrowing the range of dates to get down to just one date. It's a mystery to me why, if the date is in the system, it can't be returned as part of the results.
There are also cut-offs - you can't view births less than 100 years ago, marriages less than 80 years ago, or deaths less than 50 years ago unless the person who died was aged over 80.
Plus points are that the births index includes both parents' given names, and the deaths index gives the exact date of birth from some time in the early to mid 20th century.
The prices are in New Zealand dollars, so for example a death printout (if available) currently costs a little more than eight similar certificates from Scotland's People.
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Forfarian,
I'm of the same view on their search options...
They need to employ the IT people from SP to do their indexing/options to capacity.
SP have the best search facility by far, throughout the world (not including their prices) but it doesn't stop people complaining. ::)
I'm still trying to work out why people find SP expensive.???
Annie
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Certainly agree re the NZ BDM search facility. The dates don't bother me too much, or the privacy laws, but the lack of wildcards or fuzzy searching on names can be so frustrating.