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Looking for a Jane Gilmour born 1857 circa in Lanarkshire, Scotland - probably in the Partick or Govan districts.
Her mother was Elizabeth, but not sure if she was still alive in 1871. Help appreciated thank you.
best wishes
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Do you have any other information on Jane Gilmour and have you found her on other census records ..What do you know on her mother ?
There is a Jane Gilmour age 12 born about 1859 Govan she is living at 27 Alma Street Govan in 1871 .This Jane is with a mother Elizabeth Gilmour residing with her grandmother a Hellen Turner hard to say if this is the person you are looking for
It might be better to post all the information you have on her mother also which will help others to help you
Rosie
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Thanks Rosie
Jane died in 1930 aged 72. So born circa 1857 - her mother was Elizabeth McPherson and dad William Gilmour. The names come Jane's death certificate.
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sorry forgot to add that Jane's parents may be unmarried! My aunt couldnt find a marr cert
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Yes just seen a death certificate on a tree on Ancestry also the marriage and was thinking the same parents might not have been married
Rosie
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could you list details of those at Alma St - thanks
ah so someone on Ancestry is tracing this family.
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I don't think that family I mentioned on the 1871 census is yours the mothers maiden name was Turner ..I think the best thing would be to find the mother I see by the marriage certificate for Jane Gilmour in 1878 her mother was deceased so you are looking for a death on Scotland's People 1857-1878 .
Rosie
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Ok thank you for your answers and help
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could you list details of those at Alma St - thanks
ah so someone on Ancestry is tracing this family.
Yes there is a few tree's but no further information than you have not having much luck on census records ..I did have a look at her wedding certificate and noticed one of the witnesses was a Gilmour .The first name hard to make out Isabella ?
Rosie
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Yes Isabella is correct. Maybe a sister or half-sister.
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Yes Isabella is correct. Maybe a sister or half-sister.
Or a sister in law
Rosie
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I think this might be a possible record on the 1871 Census transcribed as Jeannie Gitman
On Ancestry ???
Address 100.Orchard Street Partick Govan Lanarkshire
Robt Kennedy born Ireland 38 labourer
Margaret Kennedy born Ireland 32 wife
Son's George and Robert Kennedy
Jeannie Gitman born about 1857 Partick age 14 years domestic servant
If you check on Scotland's People you will find her as Jeanie Gilmour age 14 in Partick Govan ref number 643/3/9/20 matches with the Kennedy family
Rosie
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I also think this is a possibility on the 1861 census
Address 2,Kelvin Street Partick Govan Lanarkshire
William Gilmour age 37 born Paisley about 1824 occupation Carter
Mary Gilmour age 28 born Glasgow
William Gilmour age 14 born Glasgow ( mason labourer )
James Gilmour age 16 born Glasgow ( mason )
Jane Gilmour age 5 born Glasgow
Would say this is the same family
1871 Census address 6,Kelvin Street Partick Govan
Willm Gilmour age 46 ( carter)
Jane Gilmour age 43 sister
Isabella 10 born Partick
Lilley Gilmour age 4 born Partick
Rosie
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I think you should maybe check this death for William Gilmour 1874 Partick.Govan age 53
To see what names are given for his wives ..How sure are you on the mothers maiden name for Jane Gilmour .
I found a marriage for William Gilmour to a Mary Love 1861 Partick which also be worth viewing ..There was a daughter Isabella Park Gilmour born 1861 mothers maiden name
Love also another daughter Lilias love Gilmour born 1867 Partick she is in a inmate in a house of refuge in Maryhill 1881 Census .She ends up in Canada as a home child their mother dies
1868 Partick age 31 ..There is also a death for a Elizabeth Gilmour 1859 Partick other name Marshall which I would check also
Rosie
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Thank you very much Rosie. I will do what I can to follow up on the information you posted. The information is very useful indeed.
Regarding Canada and Lilley - do you know where in Canada she went too and when she went there?
I checked the death for William in 1874. His wives are Christina McFarlane and Mary Love. Elizabeth McPherson (Jane's mother) is not mentioned which suggests to me Jane was probably born illegitimate.
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You might want to check this birth on Scotland's People
Jane Gilmour
13 January 1857
Milton Lanarkshire
Father William Gilmour
Mother Elizabeth Marshall
Note the death for Elizabeth Gilmour 1859 Partick other name Marshall
Worth a check
Rosie
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Thanks I will check.
What about Lilias and Canada and my earlier question. Any further info? Thanks
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The record for Lillias Gilmore her birth on Scotland's People 1867 Partick mothers name
Love ..As I mentioned she is an inmate on the 1881 census you can view the 1881 LDS free on Scotland's People
6 June 1881 arrived Quebec Canada
Lilly Gilmore with the Quarriers Party
Vessel Buenos Ayrean
Marriage for Lillias Gilmour age 19 birth place Scotland
24 March 1887
Spouse John W Chant
No parents names
On her death it gives a date of Birth 26 June 1867 Scotland
She died 28 February 1934 Leeds Ontario Canada
Father William Gilmour place of birth Scotland no mothers name
You can find a record on Canada findagrave
Rosie
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thanks so much Rosie. What a great help
A
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Your welcome but viewing the certificates on Scotland's People for Jane Gilmour and her mother is important to make sure it's the right person
Rosie
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Yes will do this. I wonder if Quarriers Homes have records too.
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Rosie
Just checked the 1857 birth - father is William Gilmour, a carter. Looks like the correct one.
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Not sure where you live but the Mitchell Library should have some records and you can also try emailing both
Rosie
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Rosie
Just checked the 1857 birth - father is William Gilmour, a carter. Looks like the correct one.
That's good is she recorded as illegitimate ?
Rosie
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No it doesnt say so
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But there is no date of parents marriage. Elizabeth is recorded as Elizabeth Gilmour ms Marshall
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But there is no date of parents marriage. Elizabeth is recorded as Elizabeth Gilmour ms Marshall
I don't think the marriage dates were recorded from 1856-1860 maybe the death certificate for Elizabeth might help.
Rosie
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Hi
Looked at 1859 cert. Elizabeth died aged 24 William is notifier
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Hi
Looked at 1859 cert. Elizabeth died aged 24 William is notifier
What address does it give ?
Rosie
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Elizabeth described as wife of William Gilmour , carter. Address 2 Kelvin Street,
Cause of death child-birth in Poorhouse. Burial Sighthill
Parents names given
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Elizabeth described as wife of William Gilmour , carter. Address 2 Kelvin Street,
Cause of death child-birth in Poorhouse. Burial Sighthill
Parents names given
That's good then it ties in with the address for the family on the 1861 census including Jane :D
Rosie
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Thanks again for everything.
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Thanks again for everything.
Your welcome ;)
Rosie