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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ross & Cromarty => Topic started by: Sildeag on Wednesday 07 December 22 22:27 GMT (UK)
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My 3g - grandmother is Isabella Jack (nee Fraser). She appears to be living in the household of Alexander McDonald in Inverness in 1881. My belief is that Alexander McDonald was born in Strathpeffer, ROC. The trouble is there are a few possibilities in 1841 census. Contin seems to be the most likely bet but Fodderty is also possible.
Alexander McDonald is a blacksmith in 1881. Does anyone know who his parents are? I am interested because I have other ancestors in the area.
Isabella Jack (nee Fraser) is also proving difficult. Born in 1801 she died 19 Oct 1887 in Aberdeen. Her mother Isabella Fraser (nee Fraser?). Isabella Fraser (nee Fraser?)'s death 22 Feb 1855 informant is Donald Jack son-in-law. I believe there are two Donald Jacks but mine is definitely a seaman or sailor.
It is possible that the mother Isabella Fraser is her married name and first husband deceased.
Her mother appears later to be in a relationship with William Munro but for the longest time I understood her parents were farmer James Fraser and Isabel Clark. Now I am all confused. Can anyone help tidy the relationships?
Thanks.
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Have to admit you've got me confused as well ???
What you don't say is that Isabella is shown as Alexanders mother in law & was b Inverness. So his wife Margaret - also b Inverness - is Isabella's daughter.
The McDonald marriage was pre 1855 so look up Alexanders death on SP & download a copy of his death cert to get his parents details
The 1881 clearly gives his birthplace as Strathpeffer & in 1881 they were all living in Inverness
Re Isabella Jack - was her husband Donald Jack?
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Where did you get the info that Isabella died Aberdeen1887?
Check SP - she died Inverness 1885 so you need to download her death cert. If you have downloaded the 1887 death cert - it's the wrong one
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I am finding your post confusing too. :) You have two different death dates for Isabella, and other information that doesn’t add up.
So I hope this is what you are looking for.
In the 1881 census you mention, Isabella Jack 80, is in the house of her son-in-law.
Isabella’s daughter Margaret JACK married Alexander McDONALD (blacksmith) in 1844 Inverness.
Margaret born 1821 Inverness, was the daughter of Donald JACK and Isabella MUNRO
Donald JACK married Isabella MUNRO in 1820 Inverness
Isabella JACK nee MUNRO died (age 85) in 1885 Inverness - her mother’s maiden name - FRASER
Possible baptism
Isabella MUNRO bapt 30/03/1797 INVERNESS – PARENTS WILLIAM MUNRO & ISABEL FRASER
Census: 1841 Inverness
House or Street Name: King Street
JACK Donald M 50 Builder Out of County
JACK Isabella F 40 Inverness-shire
JACK Willm M 15 Mason Inverness-shire
JACK James M 15 Mason Inverness-shire
JACK Margt F 15 Inverness-shire
JACK Catherine F 5 Inverness-shire
JACK Collin M 6m Inverness-shire
CLARK Margt F 15 Female Servant Inverness-shire
Census: 1851 Inverness
House or Street Name: King Street
JACK Donald Head M M 61 Mason Ross and Cromarty Knockbain
JACK Isabella Wife M F 51 Inverness-shire Inverness
JACK Colin Son U M 10 Scholar Inverness-shire Inverness
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Thanks Carole and Neale.
I think Neale has cleared up some of my confusion, as I lacked the 1851 census. The two Donald Jacks one a builder and the other a sailor or seaman.
My Isabella Jack (nee Fraser) is wife of the seaman Donald Jack and she definitely died in Aberdeen 19 Oct 1887 her death cert gives parents farmer James Fraser and Isabella Fraser (nee Clark).
I have been having difficulty because two couples with same names. One almost fits the other because: Isabella Jack Age: 72 Estimated birth year: abt 1809
Relationship: Mother-in-Law
Gender: Female Where born: Inverness, Inverness Shire Registration Number: 168/1 Registration district: St Nicholas Civil Parish: Aberdeen St Nicholas County: Aberdeenshire ED: 60 Household schedule number: 112 Line: 10 Roll: cssct1881_51 Household Members:
Name Age
John R McKenzie 25
Christina McKenzie 27
etc.
And Christina Jack seems too young.
1861 Scotland Census
about Isabella Jack
Name: Isabella Jack
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1811
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Invrsshire
Registration Number: 98
Registration district: Inverness
Civil Parish: Inverness
County: Inverness
Address: 15 Shuttle Lane
Occupation: Agl Labourer
ED: 9
Household schedule number: 272
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1861_13
Household Members: Name Age
Isabella Jack 50
Williamina Jack 18
etc.
Re. the deaths Donald Jack builder died in 1859. Donald Jack pauper died in Knockbain age 66 in 1861. Donald Jack boatswain aged about 40 died in 1877 at sea. It appears I had some of Donald Jack the builder's family mixed up with my family. His mother-in-law likely connected with William Munro.
Going forward from here I can find nothing about James Fraser farmer and Isabel Clark. Obviously, I wouldn't mind establishing which branch of the Frasers I am connected with.
I don't really know when Isabella Fraser's husband Donald Jack died and have four dud death certificates, which is what happens when Scotland's People gives multiple choices.
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So the 1881 census you mention in your first post is NOT your family.
This is your family?
Census: 1851, Inverness
House or Street Name: Ross's Close
JACK Isabella Head M F 40 Sailor's Wife Inverness-shire Inverness
JACK Isabella Dau U F 20 House Servant Inverness-shire Inverness
JACK Magt Dau - F 14 At Home Inverness-shire Inverness
JACK Donald Son - M 10 Scholar Inverness-shire Inverness
JACK William Son - M 8 School Inverness-shire Inverness
JACK Ann Dau - F 1 Inverness-shire Inverness
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Thanks Neale. Correct.
The other Donald Jack family has two bits of info he died in 1859 and another Donald Jack from Knockbain, a pauper, died aged 66 in 1861.
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This could be the same family in 1841 – with the husband away at sea again
Census: 1841
District: Inverness
House or Street Name: Brown Street
Surname Forenames Sex Age Occupation Birth County
JACK Bell F 30 Female Labourer Inverness-shire
JACK May F 13 Inverness-shire
JACK Isabella F 11 Inverness-shire
JACK James M 9 Inverness-shire
JACK Charlotte F 7 Inverness-shire
JACK Margaret F 5 Inverness-shire
JACK Donald M 3m Inverness-shire
Now that we have the correct family - what information exactly do you want to find?
The correct 1881 census St Nicholas Aberdeen
Isabella Jack age 72 mother-in-law in the home of John R McKenzie 25 Mason
This is her daughter Christine’s family
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What I would like to find is James Fraser farmer's dates and parents. Isabel Clark's too. Also, knowing Donald Jack's date of death would be helpful. I have some reference of a Donald Jack on HMS Exmouth in Naples Bay.
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Donald JACK married Isabella FRASER 1827 Inverness
Children baptised Inverness:
May 1828
Isabella 1830
James 1832
Charlotte 1834
Ann 1839
Donald 1841
Williamina 1843
John 1846
Ann 1849
Christina 1951
Donald JACK born 1803 Inverness – as on Seamans Masters Certificate dated 25 Nov 1852
British Merchant Service in the Coasting and Foreign trades.
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The other Donald Jack family has two bits of info he died in 1859 and another Donald Jack from Knockbain, a pauper, died aged 66 in 1861.
I really don't know what this means. What other D.J?
Is one of these yours? or neither yours?
It is quite possible your Donald Jack died at sea, or abroad.
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Thanks Neale. I did not know about the Seamans Masters Certificate dated 25 Nov 1852.
I meant the other Donald Jack builder-mason died in 1859, I had his death cert. James Jack and Margaret Gollan his parents. Since he was from Knockbain the other death cert. 1861 was probably a relative of some kind. Not my family.
My family: it seems like Hugh Fraser and Elspet Clark are James Fraser parents. James was a farmer.
Isobel Clark parents Charles Clark and Christian Munro?
Donald Jack the seaman is mine.
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Information from Masters Certificate for Donald Jack.
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Neale, thank you for posting the Master's Certification. Donald Jack is a direct ancestor of mine.
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Unfortunately the certificate is not very clear to read here, because I had to reduce the size to post it. If you want a better copy you can PM me.
There is a death registration in Ipswich Suffolk in 1872 for a Donald Jack, age 69 (born 1803)
This may or not be your Donald – as a sailor, he could have died anywhere.
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I've PM you thank you.
Regarding the 1872 death. I think that is an entirely different family.