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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Caltha on Saturday 17 December 22 10:39 GMT (UK)
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I'm having a wee bit trouble with this one from my own family tree. I haven't got a confirmed birth date - indicated by the Census to be 1793 in Lanarkshire, but I've found a record for someone of the same name in 1799. She married John Mitchell on 25 Sept 1819. Later census shows John's wife to be named Jane Cameron, however I initially thought she may have used a different maiden name (curiously the kids are also shown named Cameron and living with John Mitchell). The plot thickens further in that all the kids are shown to have Jean Clugston as their mother and when one died in 1855, the register was signed by the child's 'stepfather' William Davie.
My take is that Jane Cameron and Jane (Jean) Clugston are different people and that the latter moved out to live with William Davie. The maternal role may then have been taken over by Jane Cameron.
The probem is that I cannot find any indication of later marriage of Jean Clugston or indications in any sbsequent census of her living with William Davie. Indeed, I can't find any trace of Jean Clugston after 1841. Ive checked death and census records for Scotland.
all the chuldren's death certifiactes show their mother to be Jean Clugston.
John Mitchell's death certificate shows him to be the widower of Jane Cameron.
Any one have any ideas?
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The children of John MITCHELL and Jean CLUGSTON were William 1820, Mary 1822, James 1825, John 1827 and Jean 1830.
Is your John the one in Barony in 1841 with an unnamed female MITCHELL aged 48, Jean 16, Barbra 14, Agnes 9, all with the surname MITCHELL? In 1851 he is in Calton with Jean CAMERON 58, Barbra CAMERON 24, and Agnes CAMERON 19.
Wouldn't these probably be the children of Jean CAMERON and you need to find Jean CLUGSTON/MITCHELL, hopefully with at least a couple of her own children in 1841 and 1851?
Debra :)
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Thanks Debra
This is where the problem is when you see the 1841 and 1851 census results. These are the same children and I'm sure the 'John' is the same one. Its just the issue re Cameron/Clugston that is the strange one. The death certificates show them to be the chilren of Jean Clugston.
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The children in the census records are not his children with Jean CLUGSTON. He didn't have a Barbara or Agnes and Jean is the wrong age.
Three more children, non-conformist baptisms, Margaret 1832, Peter Pindar 1834 and Janet Hunter 1837. Parents John MITCHELL and Jane CLUGSTON/CLEGSTON.
Debra :)
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Birth
DAVIE, -
Mother's maiden surname: CLUGSTON
Male
1855
644 / 4 / 1281
Calton (Glasgow)
Death
DAVIE, -----
Aged 0
Mother's maiden surname: CLUGSTON
Male
1855
644 / 4 / 926
Calton (Glasgow)
Jean would have been pretty old by then. Might be worth looking at the birth for father's occupation if it is your Jean, might make them easier to find in the census, but they may not have yet been in a relationship then.
They are probably the couple at 25 James Street, Calton in 1861. William DAVIE, 42, Jean DAVIE, 60, William DAVIE, 20. William Snr. is an engine feeder.
Debra :)
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Thank you everyone for your invaluable help. I was always told that the simple answer is probably the correct one and it does seem I've been looking at different people.
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The unnamed child of William Davie and Jean Clugston was born on 25 September 1855.
I can't believe that this Jean could be the one born in 1799, who would have been 56 when this child was born, let alone the one born in 1793.
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The child William Davie, born in 1841 died in 1886 and the records show his mother was Jean Clugston. He would have been born when Jean was 42. The unnamed child born in 1855 was also shown to have Jean as the mother. As mentioned earlier, the 1861 census shows her living (at 60) with the William Davie Snr at that time. It sounds fanciful, but that's what the records are indicating.
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The child William Davie, born in 1841 died in 1886 and the records show his mother was Jean Clugston. He would have been born when Jean was 42. The unnamed child born in 1855 was also shown to have Jean as the mother. As mentioned earlier, the 1861 census shows her living (at 60) with the William Davie Snr at that time. It sounds fanciful, but that's what the records are indicating.
Absolutely. But the biology suggests there's something very odd about the records.
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Certainly is Forfarian. I'm still trying to get to the bottom of it all. Thank you for your advice and help.
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It would have been possible for her to conceive at age 56 but obviously her eggs were also 56 years old so the viability would be poor. The death of the child soon after birth would not have been unexpected. It could also be a false registration and they were actually the grandparents, especially as 25 year old Jean MITCHELL also died in 1855. As the child died it is irrelevent from a genealogical perspective.
The important information on the birth cert is the name and occupation of the father, the address, and the extra info that you will only find on an 1855 birth - the baptismal name of the child (if this was different from the registered name), the ages and birthplaces of the child’s parents, and the number and sex of the child’s brothers and sisters, both living and deceased.
Is the address the same as the 1855 registered death for Jean?
Debra :)
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Hi Debra - the location of the death of the infant and also Jean Mitchell was the same. The father on the death certificate of the infant is shown as Jean Clugston's 'husband' William Davie and she (Jean Clugston) is shown as the mother. Its all a bit strange and maybe the child was actually Jean Mitchell's, although the death certificate does not show that. Jean Mitchell died just over two weeks following the death of the infant. Her death certificate states she died from disease of the chest combined with inflammation of the bowel.
Jean was shown living with her mother and William Davie in the 1851 census.