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Hello everyone,
I am a bit stumped finding a death record my 3rd great grandmother, Bridget McIvor Nee Kerr.
She was born in Louth Ireland, 26 - Jan - 1837.
Her parents: Mary Gallagher and Michael Kerr.
Her husband Hugh McKeever/McIvor ran off to the USA leaving her and the kids to raise alone.
She was still alive in Glasgow early 1887 as she registered the birth of my Great Grandmother, Elizabeth McIvor (Mooney (born out of wedlock).
Her husband had a whole new family in the USA and never kept in contact with the family he left in Scotland.
Its possible possible Bridget had another child, Elizabeth (raised) McIvor when she was about 16 who appears with a misspelt last name in 1891 census with her sister, Mary McIvor.
DNA ties me back to Bridget with her other daughter Catherine.
Any ideas what could have happened to Bridget's death record? Surely could not have gone unrecorded at that date?
Many thanks
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Could she have died in Ireland?
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What is the last census you have found Bridget on & was surname spelt McIvor or McKeever?
When did her husband Hugh go to the USA
Hugh Mooney & Mary McIvor married 1887 - have you downloaded a copy of the marriage cert to confirm she was the daughter of Bridget nee Kerr
If the above print is the 1891 census as you say - Elizabeth was 50 so born 1841. How could Bridget be her mother is she was only born 1837?
Are you using info from somebody else's tree?? If so - many trees on Ancestry contain inaccurate info. You need to do your own research
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What is the last census you have found Bridget on & was surname spelt McIvor or McKeever?
When did her husband Hugh go to the USA
Hugh Mooney & Mary McIvor married 1887
Hi, Hughs naturalisation petition says 1854 but that was not right as his DNA was fathering his daughters in Scotland (i match for them and also my cousins, Hughs US decendants)! Also the ship he claims to sailed on did not sail at that time.
He made the claim in 1913 and died a few years later.
It was a well known family story passed down about how he ran off. There was never such stories about Bridget going out to find him.
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But where are the Scottish census records for Bridget?
What are the names & birthyears of the daughters he allegedly fathered in Scotland?
Have you found those daughters on any census prior to their respective marriages with Bridget?
If they married - have you downloaded their marriage certs to confirm their parentage
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I think you need to start with your grandmother. If she is deceased - tell us her name, birthyear, birthplace & parents names. Her parents names must be from her marriage cert
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What is the last census you have found Bridget on & was surname spelt McIvor or McKeever?
When did her husband Hugh go to the USA
Hugh Mooney & Mary McIvor married 1887 - have you downloaded a copy of the marriage cert to confirm she was the daughter of Bridget nee Kerr
If the above print is the 1891 census as you say - Elizabeth was 50 so born 1841. How could Bridget be her mother is she was only born 1837?
Are you using info from somebody else's tree?? If so - many trees on Ancestry contain inaccurate info. You need to do your own research
Hello!
I think its all got a bit confusing!
Mary and Hugh are both legit. They did have my grandmother called Elizabeth.
Elizabeth Mcloor (i suspect a spelling mistake), her age i suspect is wrong on the census. A record for her suggests she was actually 47 when she died in 1900.
Bridget never appears on census after about 1851 as a kid.
He married Hugh, 19 Sep 1862.
Its possible in the 1901 census she appears as a washerwoman aged 61, cant really confirm that. Others on the census are not relatives.
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OK - so presumably your grandmother is the 5yr old Elizabeth on the 1891 census.
Have you downloaded a copy of the 1887 Mooney/McIvor marriage cert confirming who Mary's parents were?
The 1891 says Mary was b Glasgow 1863 so unless you have already downloaded the marriage cert & confirmed her parents were Hugh McIvor & Bridget Kerr I think you need to do so
The 50yr old Elizabeth on the 1891 entry is shown as sister - not sister in law - which indicates she could be the married sister of Hugh Mooney
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I think its all got a bit confusing!
It has indeed. You need to start from scratch and list all the known information in order.
He married Hugh, 19 Sep 1862.
I take it that 'he' is Bridget Kerr?
The IGI lists two daughters of Hugh McIvor and Bridget Kerr
Mary, 8 October 1862 in Glasgow
Catherine, 26 November 1863 in Strathblane.
Are there any others?
I see you are using an Ancestry transcription of the 1891 census. As well as mistranscribing some names, this omits some of the information in the original. You need to use a decent transcription or better still look at the original at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
Hugh Mooney, head, 50, married, stone miner, born Ireland
Mary Mooney, wife, 28 born Glasgow
Elizabeth Mooney, daughter, 5, born Milngavie
Mary Ann Mooney, daughter, 3, ditto
Hugh Mooney, son, 6 weeks, ditto
Elizabeth McIvor, sister, 50, widow, born Ireland
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I think its all got a bit confusing!
It has indeed. You need to start from scratch and list all the known information in order.
He married Hugh, 19 Sep 1862.
I take it that 'he' is Bridget Kerr?
The IGI lists two daughters of Hugh McIvor and Bridget Kerr
Mary, 8 October 1862 in Glasgow
Catherine, 26 November 1863 in Strathblane.
Are there any others?
I see you are using an Ancestry transcription of the 1891 census. As well as mistranscribing some names, this omits some of the information in the original. You need to use a decent transcription or better still look at the original at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.
Hugh Mooney, head, 50, married, stone miner, born Ireland
Mary Mooney, wife, 28 born Glasgow
Elizabeth Mooney, daughter, 5, born Milngavie
Mary Ann Mooney, daughter, 3, ditto
Hugh Mooney, son, 6 weeks, ditto
Elizabeth McIvor, sister, 50, widow, born Ireland
Hi and thanks! I should not have mentioned this other Elizabeth as i can see how its sent us off track b/c of the name cross over with my own great grandmother. I am not confused about these two people.
One i wanted to find Bridgets death cert.
Two i wanted to know if the Elizabeth above is Bridgets kid - this is not that important at the moment.
I did mean "She" in reference to marriage with Hugh McIvor.
I will start putting in all the records in a response to CaroleW.
I appreciate you patience!
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OK - so presumably your grandmother is the 5yr old Elizabeth on the 1891 census.
Have you downloaded a copy of the 1887 Mooney/McIvor marriage cert confirming who Mary's parents were?
The 1891 says Mary was b Glasgow 1863 so unless you have already downloaded the marriage cert & confirmed her parents were Hugh McIvor & Bridget Kerr I think you need to do so
The 50yr old Elizabeth on the 1891 entry is shown as sister - not sister in law - which indicates she could be the married sister of Hugh Mooney
Hi Carole
Thanks for your help, the wedding cert. has a different name for the mother. This certificate seems to have been amended a few times, on the first example Hugh's Mum was written as Marys Mum!! It was a family joke for quite sometime.
I dont know if it was bad day or what....!
I have included my own great grand mothers birth registration, where you can see Bridget as the maternal grandmother.
If you think my research is wrong, i am happy to be set straight. I am looking for "truth" rather than saying what i am giving you is what i believe to correct now make it work, if you see what i mean?
Its the DNA that puts me with my known cousins from Mary McIvors sister Catherine etc.
Grateful as always.
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Just to touch on married sister, it might be, i cant get a record for Elizabeth or her marrying a McIvor. Hugh and siblings are from Co Londonderry and i have everyone of there baptism records.
On later census in Co Londonderry, most of the kids seem to think they were born in the same year. Not possible of course, but most say they cant read or write either....!
Grateful as always.
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So at the time of her birth in 1862 Mary's mother is Bridget, but when Mary marries and dies her mother is Elizabeth.
Is the Elizabeth McIvor in the 1891 census actually Bridget Kerr, then? Have you looked for a death registration naming her as Elizabeth Kerr or McIvor?
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So at the time of her birth in 1862 Mary's mother is Bridget, but when Mary marries and dies her mother is Elizabeth.
Is the Elizabeth McIvor in the 1891 census actually Bridget Kerr, then? Have you looked for a death registration naming her as Elizabeth Kerr or McIvor?
Thanks, good point. Looking through Scotlands people, I will have to guess the person/age. None match Elizabeth with Gallagher as her mothers maiden name.
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Hi there :)
Have you got the marriage entry for Bridget and Hugh that you can add here?
Monica
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There were 2 other Mary McIvors born Lanarkshire.
In 1871 I think the one living in Stirling is probably the one you are researching given the 1887 marriage was in Stirling. She is with paternal grandparents John & Catherine McIvor - both b County Derry
Tracking John & Catherine back to 1851 they have a son Hugh aged 9 b Coatbridge Lanarkshire. In 1861 they have another son John aged 9 b Glasgow. John is still with his parents in 1881. Mother Catherine died 1890
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She was born in Louth Ireland, 26 - Jan - 1837.
Her parents: Mary Gallagher and Michael Kerr.
Bridget already in Glasgow/Barony by 1851 maybe?
Michael Ker 30 general lab b. Ireland
Mary Ker 34 b. Ireland
Bridget Ker 12 b. Ireland
Monica
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The US 1900 census for Hugh McIvor b 1841 Scotland shows both his parents were born Scotland. The 1880 US census shows the same info
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From someone's online tree (could be yours ;)), clip from the 1862 marriage for Hugh and Bridget below:
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From someone's online tree (could be yours ;)), clip from the 1862 marriage for Hugh and Bridget below:
Thanks! I think i have all the documents "somewhere" :D
With the risk of sounding silly, how does this help me find her death certificate though?
Between 1891 and 1920 there are about 581 Elizabeth Kerrs, many less Bridgets. None of the Elizabeth's are mentioning Gallagher as a mothers maiden name.
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Elizabeth Mcloor (i suspect a spelling mistake), her age i suspect is wrong on the census. A record for her suggests she was actually 47 when she died in 1900.
Have you had a look at this death reg? I don't think it connects to your lines. This Elizabeth was married to both Kerr and McIvor and father Menzies.
Monica
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I have been spending a while looking for Briget's death. Can't see anything so far that looks promising in terms of following up :-\
She may have taken up with another man and name registrations might get more confusing. Hugh left her in the late 1860s? Mother's maiden names are being added to the search indexes. Still not 100% though. There is also the possibility as always that a mistake could have been made or it was not known at the time of reporting a death.
Monica
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The US 1900 census for Hugh McIvor b 1841 Scotland shows both his parents were born Scotland. The 1880 US census shows the same info
Do you think this is my GGGG grandfather or someone else?! Its a great mystery, some things add up but some don't. The DNA matches, some of his claims do not.
I presume this man you have seen ends up owning land Minnesota? Has a first son called Hugh...!
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Elizabeth Mcloor (i suspect a spelling mistake), her age i suspect is wrong on the census. A record for her suggests she was actually 47 when she died in 1900.
Have you had a look at this death reg? I don't think it connects to your lines. This Elizabeth was married to both Kerr and McIvor and father Menzies.
Monica
Thanks Monica, I did not buy that entry as i was not really sure if it was relevant. I thought it would ask on here and see if anyone could "suss out" what, if anything was missing.
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I have been spending a while looking for Briget's death. Can't see anything so far that looks promising in terms of following up :-\
She may have taken up with another man and name registrations might get more confusing. Hugh left her in the late 1860s? Mother's maiden names are being added to the search indexes. Still not 100% though. There is also the possibility as always that a mistake could have been made or it was not known at the time of reporting a death.
Monica
I am 90% sure Hugh went after the kids were born, I am related, along with my other cousins to Catherine's GG grand children and also to Hughs American kids. That presumes they have the right guy on their trees.
I do wonder about another man or if people died in a "poor house" if its possible they slipped through a decent death registration. I know there were a few bad ones of old women at the end of the 1800's in Glasgow. Ones conditions were described conditions a stepping stone between Glasgow and hell!
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Life could be brutal for many, both in the countryside and the large towns :-\
What happened with Catherine McIver, Mary's sister. She married? Have you seen her reg for this and death registration?
Monica
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Deaths in the workhouses were all reported to the registrars' offices. A problem with these sometimes is that full information was not always known, such as the deceased person's parents' names.
Monica
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Catherine's marriage?
JOHN GRENARY and KATE MCIVOR
1888
500 / 35
New or East Kilpatrick
Ireland in 1901 www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ballykeel/Ballyveaghbeg/1234559/
Then her death in 1924?
Was there anything of note re her mother on these docs?
Monica
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Catherine's marriage?
JOHN GRENARY and KATE MCIVOR
1888
500 / 35
New or East Kilpatrick
Ireland in 1901 www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ballykeel/Ballyveaghbeg/1234559/
Then her death in 1924?
Was there anything of note re her mother on these docs?
Monica
Hi Monica
I have had a looked and asked my family members if we have a marriage certificate for Catherine and none of us can find one. Only the text version of who was married and when.
Marriage 28 Dec 1888 Milngavie. I can see if the local historical society has the RC church records.
We do have the attached though. Seems like the name Bridget was used always until Marys death, how annoying!
Many thanks.
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Just one note. Always best to look at the statutory record rather than the RC parish entry (although good to have both if you can ;)). The reason being that you will normally find more information recorded on the statutory registers.
Monica
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I have to admit I have made no headway in finding a death entry for Bridget so far :-\
Also failed to find the two daughters (and Bridget again ::)) on the 1881 census. Given their ages by then, they could well have been working by now.
Monica
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Just had a look at Kate McIver's marriage from 1888. Once again, the name Elizabeth (in this case Betty) pops up as her mother's name...
Did Bridget have the middle name of Elizabeth I wonder?
The 1891 census for Mary McIver Mooney, has any of the family viewed the original given Ancestry at least showed:
Elizabeth McIoor 50 Sister, Servant Domestic b. Ireland
If this was Bridget, at the very least she should show as sister in law not sister to Hugh (relationship is always given to head of household on the censuses).
Monica
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The 1891 census for Mary McIver Mooney, has any of the family viewed the original given Ancestry at least showed:
Elizabeth McIoor 50 Sister, Servant Domestic b. Ireland
If this was Bridget, at the very least she should show as sister in law not sister to Hugh (relationship is always given to head of household on the censuses).
I quoted a better transcription in Reply#8 yesterday, but I agree that you need to look at the original document.
Elizabeth McIvor, widow, sister, aged 50.
If she is Hugh Mooney's sister, then she isn't Bridget Kerr or McIvor, because Bridget Kerr or McIvor was Hugh Mooney's mother-in-law. And she is 22 years old than Hugh Mooney's wife Mary McIvor or Mooney, and (if the date of birth you have for Bridget Kerr or McIvor in 1837 is correct) only 3 years younger than Bridget Kerr or McIvor.
Given that the mother both of Mary McIvor or Mooney and of Catherine McIvor or Grenary is named as Bridget Kerr or McIvor on both their birth certificates and as Elizabeth Kerr or McIvor on both their marriage certificates and both their death certificates, we know that Bridget became Elizabeth at some point.
Is it too much of a leap to conclude that Elizabeth McIvor, aged 50 in 1891, is in fact Bridget Kerr or McIvor, who was 53 on census day 1891?
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That is my thinking....however...new possible details do not help so far in finding her death :-\
No reason from what we have to think she did not die in Scotland, yet her death is not popping up is it! Could she have died in Ireland whilst her daughter Catherine was living there with her family?
Monica
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I did have a quick look on www.irishgenealogy.ie where there are one or two possibles but as you probably know the Irish records don't tell you the name of the deceased's spouse, let alone the names of her parents, so it was inconclusive.
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Just had a look at Kate McIver's marriage from 1888. Once again, the name Elizabeth (in this case Betty) pops up as her mother's name...
Did Bridget have the middle name of Elizabeth I wonder?
The 1891 census for Mary McIver Mooney, has any of the family viewed the original given Ancestry at least showed:
Elizabeth McIoor 50 Sister, Servant Domestic b. Ireland
If this was Bridget, at the very least she should show as sister in law not sister to Hugh (relationship is always given to head of household on the censuses).
Monica
Hi Monica,
Thanks for all your hard work! I am attaching the original document to this message!
Maybe you are right she died in Ireland. I have tried to look at GRONI for a record, lots of Bridget Kerrs but its annoying as i can only search in 5 year increments!
That looks like it could be the right John and Catherine b/c of the street. Ugh! The changing names!
I will keep looking today!
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The 1891 census for Mary McIver Mooney, has any of the family viewed the original given Ancestry at least showed:
Elizabeth McIoor 50 Sister, Servant Domestic b. Ireland
If this was Bridget, at the very least she should show as sister in law not sister to Hugh (relationship is always given to head of household on the censuses).
I quoted a better transcription in Reply#8 yesterday, but I agree that you need to look at the original document.
Elizabeth McIvor, widow, sister, aged 50.
If she is Hugh Mooney's sister, then she isn't Bridget Kerr or McIvor, because Bridget Kerr or McIvor was Hugh Mooney's mother-in-law. And she is 22 years old than Hugh Mooney's wife Mary McIvor or Mooney, and (if the date of birth you have for Bridget Kerr or McIvor in 1837 is correct) only 3 years younger than Bridget Kerr or McIvor.
Given that the mother both of Mary McIvor or Mooney and of Catherine McIvor or Grenary is named as Bridget Kerr or McIvor on both their birth certificates and as Elizabeth Kerr or McIvor on both their marriage certificates and both their death certificates, we know that Bridget became Elizabeth at some point.
Is it too much of a leap to conclude that Elizabeth McIvor, aged 50 in 1891, is in fact Bridget Kerr or McIvor, who was 53 on census day 1891?
Thank you, i too had agonised over the if this was the case! It seems like people did not know there birth dates very well. I have popped the original from Scotlands PPL in the post above.
I will take a look through the irish death records, there appears to be one on Ancestry but its for a death in Limerick and im just not sure that works.
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Hi All,
Hope you don't mind me joining in on this one. I might have another piece to add to the jigsaw and hopefully this won't confuse things.
As you mentioned RC records I thought there might be a possibility that there might be burial records for an RC cemetery.
There is a separate thread in the Lanarkshire page on St Kentigern's. Records which are searchable at https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1321853 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1321853) (hope the link works).
You can search the Daily Internment books roughly just after a date of death to find lair location and reference number and using the reference number you can then look at Grave Registers (lair books).
As you have Catherine's date of death in 1924, it looks to me as if she is buried in St Kentigern's. Looking at the lair books a Bridget (no surname recorded) was also buried there 30th March 1925. Going back to Daily Internments for 30th March 1925 there is a burial for a Bridget McIvor.
I haven't been able to match up an official death record to this burial though.
(It looks like Mary McIvor/Mooney was also buried in St Kentigern's.)
Hope this helps a bit.
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Hi All,
Hope you don't mind me joining in on this one. I might have another piece to add to the jigsaw and hopefully this won't confuse things.
As you mentioned RC records I thought there might be a possibility that there might be burial records for an RC cemetery.
There is a separate thread in the Lanarkshire page on St Kentigern's. Records which are searchable at https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1321853 (https://www.familysearch.org/search/catalog/1321853) (hope the link works).
You can search the Daily Internment books roughly just after a date of death to find lair location and reference number and using the reference number you can then look at Grave Registers (lair books).
As you have Catherine's date of death in 1924, it looks to me as if she is buried in St Kentigern's. Looking at the lair books a Bridget (no surname recorded) was also buried there 30th March 1925. Going back to Daily Internments for 30th March 1925 there is a burial for a Bridget McIvor.
I haven't been able to match up an official death record to this burial though.
(It looks like Mary McIvor/Mooney was also buried in St Kentigern's.)
Hope this helps a bit.
Wow thanks! Great find, I will try and cross reference this evening!
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Maybe you are right she died in Ireland. I have tried to look at GRONI for a record, lots of Bridget Kerrs but its annoying as i can only search in 5 year increments!
Don't use GRONI- use www.irishgenealogy.ie in the first instance and GRONI only if you are sure she died in Northern Ireland after 1922. And Ancestry not at all.
Also she would be indexed as McIvor not Kerr.
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Going back to Daily Internments for 30th March 1925 there is a burial for a Bridget McIvor.
I haven't been able to match up an official death record to this burial though.
She's in the deaths index as McIver not McIvor.
Aged 72 which implies she was born in 1852/1853, and her other surname is Holmes. Bridget Holmes married Denis McIver in 1876. So she doesn't look like your Bridget.
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Going back to Daily Internments for 30th March 1925 there is a burial for a Bridget McIvor.
I haven't been able to match up an official death record to this burial though.
She's in the deaths index as McIver not McIvor.
Aged 72 which implies she was born in 1852/1853, and her other surname is Holmes. Bridget Holmes married Denis McIver in 1876. So she doesn't look like your Bridget.
Thanks for looking at that. Point noted for irishgenealogy. The search goes on!
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She's in the deaths index as McIver not McIvor.
Aged 72 which implies she was born in 1852/1853, and her other surname is Holmes. Bridget Holmes married Denis McIver in 1876. So she doesn't look like your Bridget.
Another possible record in Paisley in 1925. Brigid Carr / Brigid McIvor. Age given as 80. Maybe worth a look at the SP record?
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Mea culpa! Forgot about that alternative spelling of Bridget.
Definitely worth a look at that certificate.
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She's in the deaths index as McIver not McIvor.
Aged 72 which implies she was born in 1852/1853, and her other surname is Holmes. Bridget Holmes married Denis McIver in 1876. So she doesn't look like your Bridget.
Another possible record in Paisley in 1925. Brigid Carr / Brigid McIvor. Age given as 80. Maybe worth a look at the SP record?
You Champ! Thats the one....thank you very much!
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Mea culpa! Forgot about that alternative spelling of Bridget.
Definitely worth a look at that certificate.
Thanks for your help, we got their in the end! Oh wow all the different names and spellings!
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Thats the one....thank you very much!
Ah excellent, that's great news, a good Rootschat result ;D
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Great news, and well done DuncanM.
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Woohoo! Well done, Duncan! We can relax now ;)
Monica
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Some details on Nazareth House, Cardonald, where Bridget died in 1925.
www.childrenshomes.org.uk/GlasgowNH/
Monica
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Bridget's usual residence was given as Mugdock Road, Milngavie on her death registration.
We have seen the potential use by her (we think) of the first name Elizabeth.
The Valuation Rolls in 1915 and 1920 have:
ELIZABETH MACIVOR
WIDOW
Tenant/Occupier
HOUSE AND SHOP MUGDOCK ROAD
NEW KILPATRICK
There is also this entry on the 1921 census for:
ELIZABETH MCIVOR
1921
Age 80
500/2 3/ 11
Milngavie
Dunbarton
This Elizabeth might be the same one who shows 10 years earlier on the 1911 census:
ELIZABETH MCIVOR
1911
Age 70
500/ 18/ 7
New or East Kilpatrick
Dunbarton
Some old photos here of Milngavie which are always fun to see www.caingram.info/Scotland/Pic_htm/milngavie_old.htm
Monica
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As Duncan has suggested, the McIvor daughters could well have been buried at St Kentigerns Roman Catholic Cemetery.
If you sign in to Family Search (free to do so if you haven't registered before with the site), I think this is Bridget's burial at the bottom of the page, on 30 March 1925 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C342-79FL-Y?i=877&cat=1321853
Following Duncan's clear instructions and looking at the lair books, it would seem that Bridget is buried together with her daughter Catherine...which I have to admit, has made me smile.
Reg. No 13243/Lair 227 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ9-V5ZK?i=587&cat=1321853
Monica
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Thanks Monica,
and for checking all this out. I'd agree with what you have found and it looks like Bridget / Elizabeth stayed close to her family.
In 1921 the census ref is the same as daughter Catherine Grenary and family and in 1911 a few census numbers along from Catherine Granary and family.
Cheers
Duncan
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Bridget's usual residence was given as Mugdock Road, Milngavie on her death registration.
We have seen the potential use by her (we think) of the first name Elizabeth.
The Valuation Rolls in 1915 and 1920 have:
ELIZABETH MACIVOR
WIDOW
Tenant/Occupier
HOUSE AND SHOP MUGDOCK ROAD
NEW KILPATRICK
There is also this entry on the 1921 census for:
ELIZABETH MCIVOR
1921
Age 80
500/2 3/ 11
Milngavie
Dunbarton
This Elizabeth might be the same one who shows 10 years earlier on the 1911 census:
ELIZABETH MCIVOR
1911
Age 70
500/ 18/ 7
New or East Kilpatrick
Dunbarton
Some old photos here of Milngavie which are always fun to see www.caingram.info/Scotland/Pic_htm/milngavie_old.htm
Monica
Hi Monica, thanks for all your help and the links!
I wonder if the shop was a sweet shop? I had a census return showing her as possible "confectioner" on Mugdock road. Great great great granny running a sweet shop, how nice!
I wonder if the family graves/lair is still there. Around where i live they tend to expire after 70 or so years. I agree, nice they were all laid to rest together.
What i thought was interesting, was how on Bridgets death cert. her husband was an Ironmoulder (journeyman)? On Catherines death cert. the year before he a solider in the Blackwatch. Hugh McIvor had claimed himself to be a farmer.
Im 90% sure he went to the USA shortly after the two kids were born and had a whole new family. Perhaps on speculation can be held on this topic but it was a family story too!
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Have you found and made any contact with the possible second family for Hugh in the US?
Added: See you have made contact and have been able to compare DNA with the American family which is great to have that confirmation.
...Hughs naturalisation petition says 1854 but that was not right as his DNA was fathering his daughters in Scotland (i match for them and also my cousins, Hughs US decendants)!
Hugh's 1910 US census entry in Minnesota is probably more accurate giving 1866 as the year that Hugh arrived in the US (give or take ::)) www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2LK-TDX
Monica
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Have you found and made any contact with the possible second family for Hugh in the US?
Added: See you have made contact and have been able to compare DNA with the American family which is great to have that confirmation.
...Hughs naturalisation petition says 1854 but that was not right as his DNA was fathering his daughters in Scotland (i match for them and also my cousins, Hughs US decendants)!
Hugh's 1910 US census entry in Minnesota is probably more accurate giving 1866 as the year that Hugh arrived in the US (give or take ::)) www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M2LK-TDX
Monica
Thanks! I only just found about that site from this thread!